1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Graham vs. Naber’s… the matchup we all expected 

 

Graham lined up over him I think twice and allowed 0 catches. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Hurts work ethic hasn't been questioned, the results have. 

McNabb wasn't exactly known for his work ethic.

To be fair, Hurts' best season-to-season improvement was '21 to '22, when Steichen was the OC.  Otherwise, he has had a different OC in successive seasons.

 

Also, McNabb was able to do some impressive stuff.  But Andy was the major reason for his success.

 

 

44 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Here's the weird place we are in with QBs in the NFL. There are basically only 4 elite guys, and they are all in the AFC. Mahomes, Allen, Burrow and Lamar. And we may have to start a conversation about Mahomes turnovers and production soon...(joking). After that, there are a few different groups. The rookies -- Williams, Daniels, Maye and Nix. The bums -- Watson, Richardson (yeah, I'm done with him), Levis, Lawrence (he's a bust), Minshew/O'Connell, D. Jones, Dalton. The IR guy -- Tua. Then there's a large group of guys who are basically solid starters -- this is where Hurts fits in. Rodgers, Wilson, Stroud, Herbert, Hurts, Prescott, Goff, Love, Darnold, Mayfield, Cousins, Carr, Murray, Stafford, Purdy, Geno. I'd take Hurts over most of those guys, but it's all tightly packed. I know some people want to elevate guys like Stroud and Love, but they honestly have both regressed this year: Stroud 94.9 rating, Love 94.1, Hurts 94.4. It doesn't feel like any of these guys will reach the elite level, IMO. 

I'd take Herbert, Stroud, and Love over Hurts 🤷‍♂️

15 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Nick is not nearly as bad as people think.

And Hurts isn't nearly as bad as you think. But you'll continue to whine and act like a petulant child every day.

14 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Hurts work ethic hasn't been questioned, the results have. 

McNabb wasn't exactly known for his work ethic.

He lifts weights. But he hasnt improved any QBing skill in his years in the league. Nothing. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Graham vs. Naber’s… the matchup we all expected 

 

They have to be baiting them. 

 

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Did you notice though, that the defender with the RB responsibility IMMEDIATELY gets sucked inside which should have been an instant giveaway to Hurts that A. His primary read on that play just got more defenders in their space, and B, that wheel was now left uncovered. It should have been an immediate reaction to throw it over there as soon as that LB or S moved inside at the snap. 

The problem is that you can't just look at that alignment pre-snap and automatically assume the outside defender is the one assigned to the RB. There are 2 TEs that are lined up further outside the RB and in a man alignment look, it's almost never the outside defender that gets that assigment (consider how often RB motion across center vs how often TEs do it.) There's no pre-snap motion so there's nothing to indicate man vs zone, so Hurts has to read that post-snap and that's where he could've done it quicker, as I mentioned. But to suggest it's an automatic alert to a primary read on the backside wheel is a bit of armchair quarterbacking given what we saw pre-snap. I'd be curious to hear what someone like Peyton, JTOS, or Orlovsky would have to say about this but I'm skeptical that they'd all say they they would've changed to the wheel being their primary read in those circumstances.

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

The score didn't reflect it, but Ben Johnson made Brian Flores his b**ch yesterday.

6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

The score didn't reflect it, but Ben Johnson made Brian Flores his b**ch yesterday.

I can only imagine that what we are seeing in Detroit is what we may have seen here last year if Steichen had stayed as OC for a third season.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You just compared him to a 3rd round pick and a UDFA.   That's not good enough from a mid-first round pick.

As for the Eagles acknowledging that it was a gamble when making the selection is in no way a redeeming factor.  They gambled, and it seems they lost... or at least, their ROI isn't good enough.

His cost in the draft isn't important, in terms of on field decision making now.  BUT, it is important in terms of evaluating the draft and the thought processes going into it.  Just as the video of Donahue being pissed about losing on Alim McNeil and landing Milton Williams factors in to that process.  And sadly, from a utilization purpose, this team essentially needs both Davis and Williams to provide what the Lions are getting from just McNeil.    It makes you wonder... what accountability has happened within the scouting department and front office to correct for future drafts?

You should have stopped at the bolded sentence. Absolutely no need for the BUT.   Your real question should be does he fill his role in the D and does he do it well.  My BUT is his tendency to get high, upright.  Yours seems to focus on changing his role.  One McNeil does not equal Milton and Davis.  If he did, he would get worn down.  Let’s take Chris Jones (more of a McNeil/Ojomo type, not a Davis).  He’s rotational too.  All DTs should be.  So here’s the thing.  If we condemn the scouting department and Howie (valuation) for Davis then we must praise them for Booker (pro scouts involved there too) and Ojomo.  Not at all unhappy with our DTs. 

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I can only imagine that what we are seeing in Detroit is what we may have seen here last year if Steichen had stayed as OC for a third season.

Probably not going to be a popular opinion but...

Ben Johnson >>> Shane Steichen

Goff in a Johnson system > Hurts in a Steichen system

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Saving the season baby!

 

Get him ready to play and then trade him to an NFC team we already played 

19 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'd take Herbert, Stroud, and Love over Hurts 🤷‍♂️

That's a fair take, putting Hurts at 8th. I think you can argue anywhere from 5-12 in the league, and I'd lean closer to around 7-10. Herbert, Stroud, Love, Goff and Stafford could all be ahead of him. I know Geno is lighting it up, but...he's Geno.

16 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He lifts weights. But he hasnt improved any QBing skill in his years in the league. Nothing. 

I know you're a troll, but that's just an insane statement that he hasn't improved from 2020.

Fish elsewhere, moving on.

37 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

A nice, unbiased breakdown.

 

Wow -- that second play.  Calcaterra is just wide open there at the goal line for an easy TD, right in front of Hurts.  It almost looks like Hurts is locked onto Stoll there, even though he's double-covered, but that can't be.  I would guess, as Fran says, he was confused by how the Giants D played it and didn't get to Barkley soon enough.

But Calcaterra was an easy TD throw as well if Hurts see it, and he really should have.  

9 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

You should have stopped at the bolded sentence. Absolutely no need for the BUT.   Your real question should be does he fill his role in the D and does he do it well.  My BUT is his tendency to get high, upright.  Yours seems to focus on changing his role.  One McNeil does not equal Milton and Davis.  If he did, he would get worn down.  Let’s take Chris Jones (more of a McNeil/Ojomo type, not a Davis).  He’s rotational too.  All DTs should be.  So here’s the thing.  If we condemn the scouting department and Howie (valuation) for Davis then we must praise them for Booker (pro scouts involved there too) and Ojomo.  Not at all unhappy with our DTs. 

I was a fan of the pick.  Unique physical profile at a premium position.

Also, to revisit the draft compensation.  They included picks 124, 162 and 166 to move up two spots.  That equates to a late third/early fourth round pick.

The same scouting department was able to identify and sign Reed Blankenship as a UDFA that year.  He is, IMO, an above-average starting safety that would have been worthy of a late third- or early fourth-round pick.

It's easy to focus on the misses.  But just look at this roster as a whole.  They do a good job overall at acquiring and keeping talent.

 

8 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

One McNeil does not equal Milton and Davis

Correct, because one Alim McNeil is better than Milton Williams and Jordan Davis combined. 

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

I think he's more Russell Wilson. Throws a great deep ball and has mobility, but lacks elite arm strength. Overall he makes good decisions and generally wins you a lot of football games, but will never be a tom brady or patrick mahomes. 

I wish Hurts had Wilson's pocket presence. Wilson was elite at feeling the rush and immediately stepping forward (not backwards) and finding space to set himself to make the throw. The instant Hurts feels pressure -- some of which is imagined -- he starts backpedaling and rolling to his right. Nine times out of ten, the play gets shut down when that happens. I consider it to be Hurts' biggest issue. And I'm generally pro-Hurts. He does a lot of good things, but maintaining discipline in the pocket is not one of them.

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I know you're a troll, but that's just an insane statement that he hasn't improved from 2020.

Fish elsewhere, moving on.

Certainly not trolling. I've been right about Hurts all along,  and have been called a troll and r'ist all throughout. Didn't change the fact that I was right. 

Your assessment of Hurts is way off.

47 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

A nice, unbiased breakdown.

 

Fran is why I am a Diehard PHLY subscriber.  Finally, a "beat” that really understands football. 

18 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Which I also said it’s Andy‘s offense in my initial comments which is referring to Nagy didn’t matter. Again reading everything in the paragraph matters before just going off on your tangent

 

I read everything and comprehended, seems like you don't as you're still tight in the buns over it. 

12/13 with two TDs over the middle.