20 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

That's a fair take, putting Hurts at 8th. I think you can argue anywhere from 5-12 in the league, and I'd lean closer to around 7-10. Herbert, Stroud, Love, Goff and Stafford could all be ahead of him. I know Geno is lighting it up, but...he's Geno.

Folks may have to grudgingly admit that Baker Mayfield is a top 10 QB now.  He looks like he's figured it out in TB.  43 TDs and 15 INT since the start of last season.  

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Milton and Ojomo are seeing some snaps at 3/4 DE so the stats you cite are a bit misleading.  Frankly, Davis needs to learn how to crouch better.  He gets a little too upright at times.  Hurtt can clean that up.  

If by "at times" you mean almost all the time, then yes. It was the biggest and most obvious issue I saw with Davis when I looked at his highlights after he was drafted. He's not especially quick at the snap and he doesn't bend his knees. Because of that he gets upright almost instantly. Granted he's powerful enough to stalemate a blocker but there's a lot more to DT play than to simply do that.

The fact that he still does this three years into his NFL career kinda suggests to me that a defensive line coach isn't going to change him. It seems to simply be the way he's hard-wired. It is what it is, I guess.

And other than that play last year where he chased Josh Allen across the field, he's never really displayed the speed that made him so intriguing as a prospect. Being enormous, fast, and athletic doesn't really mean much if you're spending the entire play stalemating the blocker in front of you.

 

20 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Wow -- that second play.  Calcaterra is just wide open there at the goal line for an easy TD, right in front of Hurts.  It almost looks like Hurts is locked onto Stoll there, even though he's double-covered, but that can't be.  I would guess, as Fran says, he was confused by how the Giants D played it and didn't get to Barkley soon enough.

But Calcaterra was an easy TD throw as well if Hurts see it, and he really should have.  

Calcaterra wasn't really wide open. The DB sees it the whole time and that's either a pick, or broken up pass if he throws it there. he should've hit Barkley as he's open, but every QB misses an open guy each game. 

Jordan Davis' snaps seem to be declining. Fangio has seen the light.

Obviously I'm rooting for him to do well, but I'm also rooting for what's best for the team and that's him playing less. And in general I'm rooting for those who have been living in denial about him for 3 years to finally admit as it currently stands, he's a massive bust.

12 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I read everything and comprehended, seems like you don't as you're still tight in the buns over it. 

Seems like you have an agenda and go off on it even if it’s not about remotely anything to do with your agenda. Literally my post had nothing to do with hurts. And mentioned mahomes turnovers being a problem along with Nagy and Reid’s offense. Yet you decided to make it into hurts agenda by replying to my post. Clearly you are butt hurt when people don’t share your view about hurts and decided you go off on rants on topics that had nothing to even do with hurts. And yet you want to talk about ppl being tight as buns?

i know tough not every post on the blog has to be about hurts or follow the agenda about hurts. 

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

LOL so now turnovers are OK if Hurts puts up more passing yards and passing TDs??  Does it matter if the team wins, or losses? I'm legit confused.

Mahomes had a bad game yesterday, but Chiefs won 28-18. Pat goes 16/27 for 154 yds and 2 INTs.  Would he be ok with Hurts having that stat line if the Birds win? Sigh...

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Seems like you have an agenda and go off on it even if it’s not about remotely anything to do with your agenda. Literally my post had nothing to do with hurts. And mentioned mahomes turnovers being a problem along with Nagy and Reid’s offense. Yet you decided to make it into hurts agenda by replying to my post. Clearly you are butt hurt when people don’t share your view about hurts and decided you go off on rants on topics that had nothing to even do with hurts. And yet you want to talk about ppl being tight as buns? 

I don't have an agenda. I explained I went off of your post to point out the absurdity of others that bash Hurts even when he has a solid game, yet you're still butthurt because you thought I was criticizing you. I already said I wasn't, and you're still carrying on. Good day to ya

3 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I don't have an agenda. I explained I went off of your post to point out the absurdity of others that bash Hurts even when he has a solid game, yet you're still butthurt because you thought I was criticizing you. I already said I wasn't, and you're still carrying on. Good day to ya

 not every Fing post you make has to be about hurts. Dude how many posts have you made in the last 24 hours has been about anything other than hurts? There’s no need to respond to every post on here and bring Fing hurts into it. I wasn’t carrying on until 18-20 hours later you decided once again to start responding. Yet wants to say I’m carrying on after you disappeared for 20 hours then decided to respond again. Little hypocritical to say someone else is carrying on lol 

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

If anything that shows how much people have lowered the bar on Hurts. A great game for people in 2022 was 3 TDs, 350 yards 80 yards rushing.

In 2024 it's "He didn't turn it over!"

That shows how much his play has fallen since 2022 for the bar to be lowered that much.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

If anything that shows how much people have lowered the bar on Hurts. A great game for people in 2022 was 3 TDs, 350 yards 80 yards rushing.

In 2024 it's "He didn't turn it over!"

That shows how much his play has fallen since 2022 for the bar to be lowered that much.

Preach! 

Just now, Sack that QB said:

If anything that shows how much people have lowered the bar on Hurts. A great game for people in 2022 was 3 TDs, 350 yards 80 yards rushing.

In 2024 it's "He didn't turn it over!"

That shows how much his play has fallen since 2022 for the bar to be lowered that much.

Idk about all that but he was on pace for close to 30 turnovers for the season heading into the bye week. So the fact he’s gone two consecutive games without doing so or fumbling is an improvement of taking care of the ball which was a major issue the first 4 games.  

9 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

If anything that shows how much people have lowered the bar on Hurts. A great game for people in 2022 was 3 TDs, 350 yards 80 yards rushing.

In 2024 it's "He didn't turn it over!"

That shows how much his play has fallen since 2022 for the bar to be lowered that much.

threw it 14 times, 1 pass TD and 2 rushing, yet that's his worst performance of the season? How is it not a clean game? The Hurts bashers make no sense 😅

 

We asked him to stop turning it over, he's done that for 2 weeks in a row, yet you guys just found something else to complain about. typical

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

That’s a tad inaccurate.  His role is different than you are projecting.  With his size and strength, when he is in he draws a double team a significant amount of the time. When he is out it is Carter that usually draws the double team.  He has some flaws in his game.  He needs to not get straight up when blocked and he needs to raise his arms more.  That’s training and developing habits.  But if he draws double teams and raises his arms when passes are on his side, I will take that 100% of the time if it means Milton, Ojomo or (and especially) Carter get single blocking.   Because that is his role.   He’s our Hollis Thomas.  Mountain of a man that is strong as an ox.   With Davis’ athleticism (compared to Thomas), it is a huge risk for any team to single him even if the G is Dickerson or even Becton sized. (Speaking of not playing to upright, Becton at 363 has shown decent crouch for such a big man.). 

Now he's being compared to yet another UDFA.   That's not good asset management.

 

He's not on the field on passing downs.  They are using him almost exclusively as a run stuffer NT... which is fine, because that's what he's best at.  BUT... that's not what he was drafted to be.  You don't draft guys like that at #16 overall.   That's the point.  The return doesn't match the investment.   And, once again, illustrates the trouble this team has had with drafting defense.  Overall, they've not been completely awful at it.  They have found some pieces that are useful, but very very few of them in the last 15 years (since Graham and more so since Cox) have been 'impactful'.   Carter has that level of upside and shows it from time to time.   Mitchell is looking very good, but it would help if he could actually catch an INT.   The rest?   Meh.    Williams is ok.  Barnett was ok, but frustrating with the stupid penalties.  So many others were just marginal.  And when you have a lot of marginal talent, you get marginal results or you are forced to spend big money for free agents and hope they pan out.  

 

There's just no getting around the fact that they grossly misjudged Davis and aren't getting from him what they drafted him to become.

Fran Duffy is not a "Hurts basher"

He obviously saw holding the ball too long in the pocket, inability to see the field, among other things when breaking down the film.

16 minutes ago, MF POON said:

LOL so now turnovers are OK if Hurts puts up more passing yards and passing TDs??  Does it matter if the team wins, or losses? I'm legit confused.

Mahomes had a bad game yesterday, but Chiefs won 28-18. Pat goes 16/27 for 154 yds and 2 INTs.  Would he be ok with Hurts having that stat line if the Birds win? Sigh...

Why do fans compare Hurts to Mahomes so much? I'm legit confused

Do other teams do this too?

19 minutes ago, MF POON said:

LOL so now turnovers are OK if Hurts puts up more passing yards and passing TDs??  Does it matter if the team wins, or losses? I'm legit confused.

Mahomes had a bad game yesterday, but Chiefs won 28-18. Pat goes 16/27 for 154 yds and 2 INTs.  Would he be ok with Hurts having that stat line if the Birds win? Sigh...

You might want to try taking a few deep breaths and read the tweets a bit more slowly before reflexively responding.

23 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Jordan Davis' snaps seem to be declining. Fangio has seen the light.

Obviously I'm rooting for him to do well, but I'm also rooting for what's best for the team and that's him playing less. And in general I'm rooting for those who have been living in denial about him for 3 years to finally admit as it currently stands, he's a massive bust.

Could be a message being sent.  Coaches don't have as many options against multi-million dollar players anymore, but playing time is one.  

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Why do fans compare Hurts to Mahomes so much? I'm legit confused

Do other teams do this too?

Guessing cause he’s probably the top tier guy and he’s having a down year. Frankly hes not playing great. Then again I’m not sure many QBs if you took away their starting two WRs and starting rb are going to look great (even mahomes). 

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Fran Duffy is not a "Hurts basher"

He obviously saw holding the ball too long in the pocket, inability to see the field, among other things when breaking down the film.

Eh, he may not be a basher, but that's a pretty idiotic take from him. 

We can criticize the missed passes for Smith and Barkley, but I'm not going to label it his worst showing of the season off 2 missed opportunities.  Using that guy's logic, if Hurts had hit them both on those plays, but ended up having 2 turnovers, then he would've had a better game. That makes zero sense imo.

52 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

You should have stopped at the bolded sentence. Absolutely no need for the BUT.   Your real question should be does he fill his role in the D and does he do it well.  My BUT is his tendency to get high, upright.  Yours seems to focus on changing his role.  One McNeil does not equal Milton and Davis.  If he did, he would get worn down.  Let’s take Chris Jones (more of a McNeil/Ojomo type, not a Davis).  He’s rotational too.  All DTs should be.  So here’s the thing.  If we condemn the scouting department and Howie (valuation) for Davis then we must praise them for Booker (pro scouts involved there too) and Ojomo.  Not at all unhappy with our DTs. 

So, evaluating draft process doesn't matter?     My focus is on the ROI of that pick.  They are trying to maximize a guy that's disappointed compared to his physical traits.  

And I would trade Milton Williams and Jordan Davis straight up for McNeill in a heart beat.   And I'll tell you this... I think that the Lions' GM would laugh hysterically at that offer and then hang up.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Guessing cause he’s probably the top tier guy and he’s having a down year. 

It's really not fair to Hurts IMO. Or really any other QB. Mahomes is just different

Eagles have still only forced two turnovers all year.  Green Bay has 17.  Eleven teams have 10 or more.

It's a big problem.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

It's really not fair to Hurts IMO. Or really any other QB. Mahomes is just different

Oh i agree. No one is mahomes. Mahomes is having a down year but frankly i think he’ll get better as it gets later. Tend to also think he needs an upgrade at Wr if kelce is going to be this absent from the offense. Losing rice, Pacheco and brown (before the year) is forcing them to rely on Noah gray, kelce (might be cooked), Kareem hunt, worthy (rookie), Justin watson and mecole hardman.  

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