A few routinely post this guy lol

Just now, Imp81318 said:

I’m saying that the review and approval standards and metrics for use of new and relatively experimental technologies was significantly different and less stringent in the 1940’s and 50’s when ultrasound machines began to be used for medical applications and they based the limits on the data that they had available at the time which, since it was new use of the technology had to be based on very limited data. You can believe it or not, but I was given the information by someone that was working in the industry at the time that I trust.

This is from AI response to a Google search of how ultrasound energy limits were established:

The current system evolved through several key periods in the late 20th century:

• Pre-1976 baseline: In 1976, the FDA established baseline limits based on the acoustic output of ultrasound machines that had been on the market prior to the Medical Device Amendments Act. No adverse effects had been reported from these "pre-amendment" devices, providing a conservative starting point for regulation.

The next update to the limits wasn’t made until 1992. So there were no governing limits from the 50’s until 1976, and then for the next 16 years the limits were based on the maximum energy output of the machines available when the standards were set.

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Nothing in your AI summary indicates the standards were set without the use of testing data.

The AI summary states that the limits were set based on the maximum energy levels that the available machines were outputting, which is what I stated originally- the limits were set based on the available technology at the time since there were no known issues, the limits were not based on known limits that actually caused damage/issues. Which supports my point that medical limitations can be based on limited or incomplete data and are subject to revision/reconsideration over time.

2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I can't wait to see what Xi says about the call that ends up embarrassing our feckless chief.

Was Biden feckless, or was he feckfull?

2 minutes ago, Imp81318 said:

known limits that actually caused damage/issues.

For non-ionizing radiation? What kind of issues? And you said this happens often yet you cite an example from half a century ago. That's not what most people would consider often.

I just realized Flounder from Animal House was on Babylon 5 🤣

Seems appropriate for this thread as well as several others 🤷🏻‍♂️

Remember when the rubes all said he just wants to crack down on illegal immigration?

I work with a lot of people who are gonna be impacted my this. And without going into details, I will likely lose my best engineer directly because of this policy. Ultimately this means we'll continue to lose smart people to other countries which only hurts us in the long run. So myopic and unbelievably stupid.

Trump to impose $100,000 fee per year for H-1B visas, in likely blow to tech | Reuters https://share.google/TQjYaokm2QetCYrDH

19 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Remember when the rubes all said he just wants to crack down on illegal immigration?

I work with a lot of people who are gonna be impacted my this. And without going into details, I will likely lose my best engineer directly because of this policy. Ultimately this means we'll continue to lose smart people to other countries which only hurts us in the long run. So myopic and unbelievably stupid.

Trump to impose $100,000 fee per year for H-1B visas, in likely blow to tech | Reuters https://share.google/TQjYaokm2QetCYrDH

350,000,000 million people in a country with one of the highest education budgets in the world.

Hmmm.

Is it possible that some previous immigration policies may have results on current and future events?

You got greedy.

Covid was never bad enough to shut down the border.

Have you considered a protest in their honor?

https://crowdsondemand.com/

https://www.gofundme.com/

https://www.mightycause.com/

They haven't buried you yet. You have the opportunity.

17 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

in a country with one of the highest education budgets in the world

And yet you still failed and remain an uneducated reetard.

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

And yet you still failed and remain an uneducated reetard.

Opinions may vary but Im afraid your predicament may require more effort on your part than this sorry *** retort of yours.

You're failing your "co worker".

No idea if true.

This is a Stephen Miller rheetard special.

I suspect after a week we'll see TACO'ing.

It's one thing to shift towards things like this. But changing the rules of business this dramatically in a short period without notice is devastating to the economy.

Anybody supporting this move being executed in this manner is a ef'ing idiot.

I can't see how anyone could be for this. Devastating for medicine. I imagine it'll be brutal for tech too.

59 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

can't see how anyone could be for this

Oh I have a theory on the type of person who would be cheering this on.

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

No idea if true.

This is a Stephen Miller rheetard special.

I suspect after a week we'll see TACO'ing.

It's one thing to shift towards things like this. But changing the rules of business this dramatically in a short period without notice is devastating to the economy.

Anybody supporting this move being executed in this manner is a ef'ing idiot.

@DEagle7 look no further than the comments on this tweet above from the retarded mouth breathers who think this is no big deal

37 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

@DEagle7 look no further than the comments on this tweet above from the retarded mouth breathers who think this is no big deal

I don't have Twitter but I'll take your word for it. About 25% of the doctors in our country are foreign grads. I have no idea how many of those are H-1B holders but like that guy pointed out the percentage is pretty high for residents. It'll also likely make non H-1B docs more wary to come over and other westernized countries bump up their recruiting tactics. It's clearly not a job you can just replace with American students instead unless you really want to drop standards and/or cost (years and loan amount). If he sticks with it this will absolutely affect staffing in a big way. Something to keep in mind next time any of y'all have to wait 6 months to get in to see a specialist, or know someone who can't find a PCP.

2 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

I can't see how anyone could be for this. Devastating for medicine. I imagine it'll be brutal for tech too.

It will be bad for tech.

In tech the problem right now is lack of talent, and a squeeze on entry level positions from AI.

Graduates are having a very hard time right now catching on as companies experiment with their mid and senior level developers leaning on AI coding agents to do the work they would previously delegate to junior devs to hone their skills.

H1-B employees weren't taking entry level jobs btw.

that's lame

4 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

I can't see how anyone could be for this. Devastating for medicine. I imagine it'll be brutal for tech too.

What they don't want to say yet is the administration wants more white people and less non