13 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

Yeah....except im pretty sure he was a mediocre painter.

Art is subjective

lol top

3 minutes ago, paco said:

Art is subjective

Success isnt, and he had none as an artist. If he was better, he might have stayed in that liine of work lol

4 minutes ago, paco said:

lol top

reminds me of another poster

Just now, Boogyman said:

Success isnt, and he had none as an artist. If he was better, he might have stayed in that liine of work lol

I've honestly never saw a single one. I just imagine them looking like Giygas

Just now, DrPhilly said:

reminds me of another poster

Oh really?

Just now, paco said:

I've honestly never saw a single one. I just imagine them looking like Giygas

I think I once saw five went up for auction, recently, and none sold.

1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said:

No, please, tell me how she can give something on behalf of the same Venezuelan people that Trump said "don't respect her"?

Apparently by handing it to him.

Painful to see ain't it?

1 hour ago, Boogyman said:

My dogs eat better than you do, little fella.

Stick with what you've been exposed to before attempting to extrapolate from the unknown.

4 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

1) I wont tell you which one.... it was Ozempic JFC

2) Real talk, Ozempic is to aid with diabetes and may help with weight loss. If they are taking something specifically FOR weight loss, then you would take something like Zepbound.

so much winning by Trump admin that our main trading partners is now allowing Chinese cars to be sold within its borders just our north. MAGA is destroying our country

"Can someone ask RFK Jr why ozempic isn't working on a fat guy who eats nothing but big macs and KFC? Asking for a friend..."

1 minute ago, paco said:

1) I wont tell you which one.... it was Ozempic JFC

2) Real talk, Ozempic is to aid with diabetes and may help with weight loss. If they are taking something specifically FOR weight loss, then you would take something like Zepbound.

Speaking from experience, Tubby Maguire?

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Speaking from experience, Tubby Maguire?

Awesome... we are about to go down this road again almost exactly a year to the day.

On 1/17/2025 at 10:48 AM, paco said:

I'm going to go socialist on this one, but f it, those drugs should be free and accessible to all that want them..

 

If obesity is one of the major factors that is driving up costs of health care, making drugs like this cheap and available will save a ton in overall healthcare costs.

On 1/17/2025 at 10:59 AM, we_gotta_believe said:

Yeah, I mean forget the fact that doing so would greatly disincentivize biopharma R&D, we need to give fat people free drugs now while tax payers foot the massive bill because putting down the fork is just too damn hard. You could maybe argue that insurance companies should take a calculated risk and cover these at 100%, with no out-of-pocket costs to customers, based on the possibility of reduced payouts for future ailments. Debatable on whether it would be worth it for them, but that's a different story.

If you want lower hanging fruit from a public health perspective, insulin is probably more feasible, but with similar, slightly less severe consequences.

On 1/17/2025 at 11:06 AM, DEagle7 said:

It's important to remember those aren't just weight loss drugs. They were designed to prevent the progression from prediabetes to diabetes. And it's very effective.

It's tempting to call people out for **** eating habits but there's a big genetic component there. 

On 1/17/2025 at 11:15 AM, we_gotta_believe said:

And for that they're being covered by insurers, no? If you're overweight but not prediabetic, I don't see why the government should foot the bill. Leave the decision up to insurance companies who are taking on all the risk. They cover flu shots at 100% with no OOP costs because they've done the math and see a long-term cost savings for them (although trumpbots still somehow think it's some money making scheme for big pharma, but that's because they're morons and they get medical advice from Joe Rogan.)

So if the math works out for them and they decide to cover glp-1 drugs for the same reasons, then I'm fine with it. But to force the healthy tax payers to foot the bill, when we're already paying high monthly premiums that don't allow for discounts based on health factors like BMI, then you're basically double screwing us. 

On 1/17/2025 at 11:27 AM, DEagle7 said:

I don't deal with Medicare so I'm not positive, but by my understanding there's a difference between those drugs being covered for certain indications is kinda separate from the price negotiated with the manufacturer. My wife had was a blood clot with her pregnancy. Her anticoagulation was "covered" but not entirely, so we still had a hefty out of pocket cost because of how high the negotiated price was. 

It's also a pretty moot distinction. The odds of being overweight but not having any other diagnosis (prediabetes, hypercholesterolemia etc) is pretty low. 

On 1/17/2025 at 11:56 AM, we_gotta_believe said:

I'm talking about paco saying the government should pick up the tab and make it free to anyone who wants them.

On 1/17/2025 at 12:11 PM, paco said:

Heart disease, cancer, etc..... obesity is a factor for a TON of ailments.  "Obese people shouldn't have access to weight loss medication unless you are prediabetic" is an terrific take

On 1/17/2025 at 12:13 PM, paco said:

You said government, not me tiny tool  

On 1/17/2025 at 12:14 PM, we_gotta_believe said:

In response to Biden's admin negotiating prices with Lily and Novo, you said this

I'm going to go socialist on this one, but f it, those drugs should be free and accessible to all that want them.. 

On 1/17/2025 at 12:17 PM, paco said:

Wow, you HAVE to be autistic  

TL:DR: F off you autistic little freak.

17 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

bUt HunTEr !!!!!!

1 minute ago, paco said:

Awesome... we are about to go down this road again almost exactly a year to the day.

TL:DR: F off you autistic little freak.

I should note... that conversation was prior to actual weight loss drugs, not ones that have it as a side effect, were available, so the conversation shifts a tad. Given that there is a choice now, I agree now with @DEagle7 's position since there are now drugs specifically targeting weight loss. At that time he was correct that is not their intended use, but my position was they were safe enough and very effective to achieve the desired result.

28 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Apparently by handing it to him.

Painful to see ain't it?

You're a good boy aren't you? Now hop on one leg and bark like a dog.

1 minute ago, dawkins4prez said:

You're a good boy aren't you? Now hop on one leg and bark like a dog.

Im kind of an a-hole really

12 minutes ago, paco said:

Awesome... we are about to go down this road again almost exactly a year to the day.

TL:DR: F off you autistic little freak.

Talk about flying off the handle over a light hearted joke. Have you tried weight watchers or Jenny Craig first?

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Talk about flying off the handle over a light hearted joke. Have you tried weight watchers or Jenny Craig first?

Nah, just remembered the convo and I like calling you an autistic little freak with receipts.

7 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Im kind of an a-hole really

13 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Im kind of an a-hole really

Don't sell yourself short. You're also boring.

3 minutes ago, paco said:

Nah, just like calling you an autistic little freak with receipts.

I'm autistic because I disagree that healthy tax payers should be footing the bill for costly GLP-1 prescriptions when we're already paying disproportionately high premiums driven up by the fact that other people living unhealthy lifestyles are benefiting from risk pooling and insurers are prohibited from tacking on surcharges for people being obese. Got it.