March 17Mar 17 2 hours ago, mayanh8 said:He couldn't make it past the first sentence before his dementia took over... a 47 year war started by Obama and Biden! Somewhere @Diehardfan @lynched1 and @Procus are all like, "wow I never thought of it that way..."Calendars still undefeated against MAGA
March 17Mar 17 52 minutes ago, vikas83 said:The issue is the 24th Amendment violation if they don't provide the IDs for free. Well, and because it is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.But for me, the issue is Constitutionality. Fix that and it isn't an issue.For sure but it can be worked around with the free IDs as I suggested.
March 17Mar 17 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:Dems should definitely not put anything forward until after the election. Absolutely no reason to mess with things this close to an election and obviously no reason to negotiate with bad faith actors who's goal is to take the right to vote away from married women. Next year, sure, I'm all for a voter ID bill. Not sure what the big deal there is anyway, I always show an ID to vote. The SAVE act is on blast on right wing media and absolutely no one else in the country cares or even knows what it is. Voter ID has always polled well, but this bill is drowned out by the war, the Epstein files, the crashing economy, etc.They can be smart and have it take effect say June 1, 2027 on the basis that it takes time for people to sort out the IDs. It isn’t that hard. The point is to "own” the topic rather than let MAGA use it to build momentum.
March 17Mar 17 Crosswalks hacked to say "F#$% Trump and Trump kills children.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy1oyOnro3g
March 17Mar 17 1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:They can be smart and have it take effect say June 1, 2027 on the basis that it takes time for people to sort out the IDs. It isn’t that hard. The point is to "own” the topic rather than let MAGA use it to build momentum.No reason to even give the idea air. And again, no reason to ever negotiate with fascists. When Dems control the chamber? Sure, deal with it then and actually put forward a clean bill that addresses the constitutional concerns that Vikas is talking about. But you'll never get any of that by negotiating with the fascists. All they want is a forever dictatorship by any means possible.And MAGA can't build sheet off of sheet. They're a walking disaster that's actively F'ing up the lives of the American people. There's about 300 issues that are top of mind to voters ahead of whatever lunacy MAGA's talking about.
March 17Mar 17 I agree with Van. No compromises. No working with MAGA. Prosecute them early and often.
March 17Mar 17 Just now, VanHammersly said:No reason to even give the idea air. And again, no reason to ever negotiate with fascists. When Dems control the chamber? Sure, deal with it then and actually put forward a clean bill that addresses the constitutional concerns that Vikas is talking about. But you'll never get any of that by negotiating with the fascists. All they want is a forever dictatorship by any means possible.And MAGA can't build sheet off of sheet. They're a walking disaster that's actively F'ing up the lives of the American people. There's about 300 issues that are top of mind to voters ahead of whatever lunacy MAGA's talking about.You seem to be missing the point. It is all about crushing MAGA politically. Nothing has to actually pass at this point on this topic.Also, I've been very consistent on this one (and again in my first post today) that there needs to be a free ID. The point is exactly the one Vikas brings up. A free ID is how you deal with it.
March 17Mar 17 3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:You seem to be missing the point. It is all about crushing MAGA politically. Nothing has to actually pass at this point on this topic.Also, I've been very consistent on this one (and again in my first post today) that there needs to be a free ID. The point is exactly the one Vikas brings up. A free ID is how you deal with it.Which accomplishes nothing but making MAGA feel better. Once again, it's all about feelings. Creating new laws and government programs to placate people's feelings is foolish.
March 17Mar 17 2 minutes ago, Gannan said:I agree with Van. No compromises. No working with MAGA. Prosecute them early and often.The sooner the Dems retire the phrases "working across the aisle" and "my friends on the other side of the aisle" the better. These aren't Republicans from the 80's. They're autocrats. They're not worth ever talking to and they're certainly never worth negotiating with. It only hurts Dems with their own voters (who see them as weak and for good reason), independents (who, again, also see them as weak for good reason) and it gains them nothing from the cult of losers on the other side who have been raised to hate anyone with a D next to their name.
March 17Mar 17 5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:You seem to be missing the point. It is all about crushing MAGA politically. Nothing has to actually pass at this point on this topic.Also, I've been very consistent on this one (and again in my first post today) that there needs to be a free ID. The point is exactly the one Vikas brings up. A free ID is how you deal with it.I'm not missing the point. Dems tried to pass a border security bill before the 24 election that Trump explicitly told Republicans to vote against. That was Dems trying to get out ahead of an issue. Did that work? No, it didn't. Because it played on Republicans terms. F them. Don't ever give their stupid sheet an inch of respect. They're jokes who should be mocked and fascists who should be arrested, not serious people trying to solve our problems.
March 17Mar 17 3 minutes ago, Gannan said:Which accomplishes nothing but making MAGA feel better. Once again, it's all about feelings. Creating new laws and government programs to placate people's feelings is foolish.Of course it does. It takes what right now is their #1 argument away from them. Again, there doesn't need to be a new law at this point. Read the posts mate.
March 17Mar 17 Just now, DrPhilly said:Of course it does. It takes what right now is their #1 argument away from them. Again, there doesn't need to be a new law at this point. Read the posts mate.No it doesn't
March 17Mar 17 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:I'm not missing the point. Dems tried to pass a border security bill before the 24 election that Trump explicitly told Republicans to vote against. That was Dems trying to get out ahead of an issue. Did that work? No, it didn't. Because it played on Republicans terms. F them. Don't ever give their stupid sheet an inch of respect. They're jokes who should be mocked and fascists who should be arrested, not serious people trying to solve our problems.Totally different. The Dems Fed up the border AND it is the Repubs who are proposing legislation at this point in time.
March 17Mar 17 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:Of course it does. It takes what right now is their #1 argument away from them. Again, there doesn't need to be a new law at this point. Read the posts mate.Handing out free IDs would take money, You need to establish funding for it. You're smarter than this. And no it doesn't. The right will still complain, they always do.
March 17Mar 17 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:No it doesn't2024 was lost on a losing message for the border, the economy, and culture. All things the Dems allowed the Repubs to own in the campaign.
March 17Mar 17 1 minute ago, Gannan said:Handing out free IDs would take money, You need to establish funding for it. You're smarter than this.And no it doesn't. The right will still complain, they always do.I'm perfectly happy to spend money on free IDs for those that need it. There is also a way to link state driver's licenses into the system so the vast majority of voters would be covered thru that mechanism. Yes the system will cost some money to develop.Let them complain. My suggestion isn't intended to move MAGA.
March 17Mar 17 16 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:You seem to be missing the point. It is all about crushing MAGA politically. Nothing has to actually pass at this point on this topic.Also, I've been very consistent on this one (and again in my first post today) that there needs to be a free ID. The point is exactly the one Vikas brings up. A free ID is how you deal with it.Greenskeeper laughed at this one so you know there is something to it 🙂
March 17Mar 17 9 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:I'm not missing the point. Dems tried to pass a border security bill before the 24 election that Trump explicitly told Republicans to vote against. That was Dems trying to get out ahead of an issue. Did that work? No, it didn't. Because it played on Republicans terms. F them. Don't ever give their stupid sheet an inch of respect. They're jokes who should be mocked and fascists who should be arrested, not serious people trying to solve our problems.Yep, and that was trying to address an actual issue. This voter ID nonsense is just wasting more money on a solution in search of a problem. Show me the actual evidence of fraud that this is intended to solve and then we can decide if it's worth throwing money at it to fix. But until then, no thanks.
March 17Mar 17 Just now, DrPhilly said:2024 was lost on a losing message for the border, the economy, and culture. All things the Dems allowed the Repubs to own in the campaign.Again, they didn't allow them to own those issues. Dems addressed the border (or tried to) and the economy. But no one cares about what you do, they only care about what they hear about and what they see happening in their own lives. And all anyone heard about was how terrible the economy was under Biden. And that's what they're hearing about right now. How terrible the economy is, how we've been dragged back into another war in the ME, how the admin is protecting pedos. Absolutely no reason to bring any bad faith election bill negotiations into the mix, because the right will still lie about it no matter what you do and now you've just given it more air.Think of it this way, if the biggest issue in left wing media were Climate Change and Dems wanted to pass some Climate Change bill, would Reps think to themselves "hmm, we better address this before the election to at least appear to care?" F no they wouldn't. They'd ignore it largely and only address it to mock the left. That's what's happening here, this bill matters to no one outside of the right wing media. Mock the bill, mock the Reps, talk about how they're trying to strip voting rights from women (which is literally what's in the bill) and how they can't find any evidence of the fraud they're lying about but don't actually address any of it, because you don't need to. Trump is stabbing the Republicans to death right now. Let him finish the job, don't change the subject.
March 17Mar 17 It's fun watching you guys still fail to realize that you're arguing with a 70 year old GOP apologist in Sweden on the brink of dementia who pretends to have his finger on the pulse of the American voter but in reality has no clue whatsoever.
March 17Mar 17 8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:Greenskeeper laughed at this one so you know there is something to it 🙂He laughed at my response too, so now I don't know what to think.
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