3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

That applies to absolutely everybody.  

The Patriots won their 3rd Super Bowl in 4 years in 2004.  Weis and Crennel left after the season and Bill Belichick went 10-6 in 2005.

The difference is Belichick was the brains behind their defenses and I don't think Sirianni is the brains behind anything here. I think he just maintains the culture. At the end of the day culture matters, but x's and o's win games. It's a weird situation to be in where you simply don't know how good your head coach is. I don't think it's as simple as they're as good as, as many wins as the team has.

2 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

He comes off as emotionally reactive and out of control at times. Not a good look BUT the team changed its game strategy after the first 4 games. I give a HC a lot of credit for doing that--the willingness to do that. They are also very successful under Sirianni. At what point does it become odd not to give the guy in charge credit for the success of the team? 

About a year and a half now.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

The difference is Belichick was the brains behind their defenses and I don't think Sirianni is the brains behind anything here. I think he just maintains the culture. At the end of the day culture matters, but x's and o's win games. It's a weird situation to be in where you simply don't know how good your head coach is. I don't think it's as simple as they're as good as, as many wins as the team has.

Jimmy's and Joe's win games.

1 minute ago, rrfierce said:

You know they're relaying the field 😬 at the linc?

Yes. I doubt it will be a skating rink though, like the field in Brazil.

It better not be.

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

Jimmy's and Joe's win games.

Yes, I was talking about from a coaching perspective. Meaning the biggest impact a coach has on games is their scheming/x's and o's. Not culture. I think scheming leads to wins, which leads to good culture.

2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Edge rush is our weakest link particularly now with BG out.  Huff was supposed to be the guy this year to add in with Sweat and an emerging Smith and we could sure use another fastball at edge for the playoffs.  Alas, Huff isn't going to add anything.

Think the pass rush thing is overstated, of the play off teams we have more sacks on the year than the Steelers, Bills, Chiefs, Lions and Rams, and the bookies favorites to make the division championships would contain 3 of those teams and us.

Kellen Moore might be the most realistic favorite for the job

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Yes, I was talking about from a coaching perspective. Meaning the biggest impact a coach has on games is their scheming/x's and o's. Not culture. I think scheming leads to wins, which leads to good culture.

Completely disagree.  Marty Schottenheimer was excellent everywhere he went until he got to Washington and had to work for Dan Snyder; Joe Gibbs couldn't even work his usual magic when he was brought back there after Jack Kent Cooke passed away.  

Teams like the Jets, Dolphins, and Browns have hired lots of coaches with scheme expertise; it didn't do Robert Saleh any good once he had to deal with the Jets' dysfunction.  Parcells only lasted 3 years there, and they only gave Pete Carroll one year.  Even Nick Saban only got 2 years in Miami before he bolted to Alabama.

3 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Keeping Callahan and firing Carthon is the kind of move that subjects us to perpetual ESPN racism lectures and think pieces. One of the dumbest decisions I’ve seen in a league that makes obviously dumb decisions often.

Why do we have to pretend that racism doesn't exist? Racial bias exists and impacts decisions. We don't know whether it impacted this decision. They have the number one overall pick and just got rid of the coach after last season.  They may have felt like something needed to get done.  It's not like he had the best record but he seemed to make some reasonable signings and picks in the draft.  They did trade up for Levis which looks like a mistake. He also signed Dillard.  

I am not sure what accounts for Joe Schoen or Trent Baalke still having jobs and Carthon getting fired.  I think an argument can be made about keeping Baalke.  Schoen has been a disaster and worse than Gettleman for the Giants.  

25 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The difference is Belichick was the brains behind their defenses and I don't think Sirianni is the brains behind anything here. I think he just maintains the culture. At the end of the day culture matters, but x's and o's win games. It's a weird situation to be in where you simply don't know how good your head coach is. I don't think it's as simple as they're as good as, as many wins as the team has.

How many offensive coordinators has Siri had?

15 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The difference is Belichick was the brains behind their defenses and I don't think Sirianni is the brains behind anything here. I think he just maintains the culture. At the end of the day culture matters, but x's and o's win games. It's a weird situation to be in where you simply don't know how good your head coach is. I don't think it's as simple as they're as good as, as many wins as the team has.

The team has 39 wins over the past 3 years with 3 different sets of co ordinators, at some point you have to accept that Sirianni does have something to do with that. The idea he's some sort of mascot running pep rallies in the locker room as the Coordinators do all the football work is ridiculous.

John Harbaugh and Dan Campbell to name 2 guys who leave the coordinating to coordinators in the League right now don't get any of these questions about whether they're worth their job.

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Kellen Moore might be the most realistic favorite for the job

Assuming Johnson doesn’t want to go to Jacksonville then i think I’d go Joe Brady 

If we don't win the Super Bowl this year, I am keeping Moore.  Nick can go.

Don't let him interview during the playoffs.  We saw how that worked last time.

5 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

If we don't win the Super Bowl this year, I am keeping Moore.  Nick can go.

If we don't win the SB this year, it's likely because the offense wasn't up for it...

1 minute ago, RLC said:

If we don't win the SB this year, it's likely because the offense wasn't up for it...

By offense, you mean the J word.

7 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Don't let him interview during the playoffs.  We saw how that worked last time.

The NFL sets the rules, not the teams:

 

NFL head coach interview process/rules

The NFL has a series of rules for head coach interviews:

• Teams with open head-coaching positions were able to begin requesting interviews with candidates from other teams on Jan. 6. Those interviews must happen virtually before the end of divisional-round games.
• Last year, the NFL recommended that teams with open head-coaching positions used this "virtual interview window” to set up initial interviews so those teams would be eligible to request a second interview with a candidate from a Super Bowl team during the bye week.
• Note: Teams may not interview employees of other teams that didn’t make the postseason until the third day after the employer teams’ Week 18 game (for example, Jan. 7 for a game on Jan. 4, or Jan. 8 for a game on Jan. 5).

These are the interview requirements for coaches of teams in the postseason:

• If the employer team has a bye in the wild-card round, virtual interviews may begin three days after Week 18 games and must happen before the end of wild-card games.
• If the employer team is participating in the wild-card round, virtual interviews may begin three days after the team’s wild-card game and must happen before the end of the divisional-round games.

Starting the day after the divisional round ends:

• Teams can conduct in-person or virtual interviews with candidates employed by other NFL teams whose seasons ended.
• Teams cannot hold initial interviews with candidates employed by teams participating in the AFC and NFC championship games until the end of the employer team’s season. A candidate’s employer team may not voluntarily grant permission for those interviews.

During the bye week between conference championships and the Super Bowl:

• Second interviews, either in-person or virtual, are allowed with head coach candidates employed by teams in the Super Bowl. The team(s) conducting the interviews must notify the employer team(s).

Contact with head coach candidates in the Super Bowl is not allowed from during the Super Bowl week until the day after the game.

Additionally, no contract signing, contract announcement or contract agreement is permitted until after the end of the employer team’s season.

Wonder if Bucs QB coach will get some offers. Baker is a completely different QB since joining them. Granted he has some nice weapons

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

I think the "CEO” title has more to do with limited play design/offensive strategy vs play calling.   
 

For example, Andy Reid has let his coordinators call plays for decades but no one calls him a "CEO” head coach.

That said, the "CEO” title for Sirianni is likely overused because his fingerprints are all over this offense, imo. 

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I think the "CEO” title has more to do with limited play design/offensive strategy vs play calling.   
 

For example, Andy Reid has let his coordinators call plays for decades but no one calls him a "CEO” head coach.

That said, the "CEO” title for Sirianni is likely overused because his fingerprints are all over this offense, imo. 

Please elaborate on the fingerprints assumption.

 

23 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Kellen Moore might be the most realistic favorite for the job

I understand it could lessen the chances of playoff team coordinators getting the job but there really needs to be a "no contact/interview” rule for playoff team coordinators until their season is done.  
 

I couldn’t think of a worse time for coordinators to be interviewing for head coaching jobs.  Makes zero sense and (without question) could cause interference.  SMH.

20 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Please elaborate on the fingerprints assumption.

 

I don’t think it’s a bad thing but the RPO style offense seems to be very similar to Sirianni’s.
 

Moore has added motion and has made some really nice additions, etc but the base offense (run first) seems similar to what they were running in 2022 (which is a good thing, imo) 

43 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Think the pass rush thing is overstated, of the play off teams we have more sacks on the year than the Steelers, Bills, Chiefs, Lions and Rams, and the bookies favorites to make the division championships would contain 3 of those teams and us.

I'm not saying we have a "bad edge rush".  What I'm saying is that it is our weakest spot and Huff isn't helping.

Hope he's focusing on the gameplan with all these interviews. 

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Wonder if Bucs QB coach will get some offers. Baker is a completely different QB since joining them. Granted he has some nice weapons

I always thought Mayfield was the most NFL-ready of the QBs in that draft class, even though Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson have had much more success in the league.  With the perspective of time, I would say Mayfield was actually pretty damn good in CLE, all things considered.  He's always had a lot of talent but a 10 cent head, so to speak; his arm is underrated -- he had lots of throws at Oklahoma where he's whipping the ball 60 yards downfield without a ton of effort. 

I think getting dumped in CLE and CAR might have matured him a little bit.  I'd rate him as a top 10 QB in the league currently.  To your point, a lot of people give Dave Canales credit for developing Mayfield in 2023 and he subsequently got the Panthers HC job for this season.  Bryce Young did play a bit better this season under Canales; it will be interesting to see where that goes.