17 hours ago, jsdarkstar said:

I wish that was a game made by Matel. I would definitely play it.,

 

Found this bad boy cleaning out my uncles apartment a few months ago.

1 hour ago, psychodog said:

I've been waiting for Williams to light it up for the past few years and I think that a lot of the success we are seeing from him this year is related to so much attention being given to Carter.  I would even go so far as to say that if he signs a big contract with another team that doesn't have a Carter type of player, he won't have nearly as much success.  He might even revert to being "average" like he's been every year other than this year.

He fits much better in a fangio scheme/front. Ojomo does as well. Hard to compare the previous years, but the kid can play

Wow, these videos out of LA are horrific, this has been a crazy year already.  Hope they can get it under control and everyone get to safety. 

17 hours ago, RLC said:

The worst thing Hurts does is scramble outside the pocket.

I slightly disagree here…worth thing Hurts does is ignore his internal clock.  Most of his boneheaded mistakes are in the pocket when he forgets that clock.  He loses focus on the play developing, somehow can’t see wide open run lanes, drifts back or turtles up and gives up a sack.  As of late he’s throwing the ball away more on his outside the pocket adventures.

First time seeing this and I'm crying laughing. Great job by their social team.

 

 

26 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Why is it stupid to look at things in a different light? Historically, the Eagles put a TON of value in both lines and next to nothing at LB. Milton Williams has proven he can be a very good DT playing next to Carter. There's no guarantee the next guy will be. They are the perfect duo. The Eagles lack pass rush punch from the edge so letting your 2nd best interior pass rusher go puts more pressure on finding edge pass rush and DT2 pass rush. Moro Ojomo has flashed but he's more of a tweener than Williams. I love Ojomo for depth across the line, not borderline starter. 

Becton is a 1st round talent who finally unlocked his potential here. I've been on the fence because of Steen, but bringing Becton back is the perfect Lane Johnson replacement plan. The question with him IMO, is if playing RG takes the pressure off of him from being on an island and he can play more confident in himself. Is there potential for him to implode if he struggles at RT? The hope is Stoutland has fixed him and he can dominate at RT too.

No one is saying don't bring back Baun. I think everyone sees how valuable he is. We went from garbage to Pro Bowler at LB. How would the defense look if they had two guys playing at the level of Dean? Dean has had his ups and downs this year, but if Trotter can make a jump to play at that level and Dean continues to improve, having two GOOD LB might be all the Eagles need.  Another thing to consider is Baun is 29. How many LB at that age are breaking the bank? 

There more I look at this team, the more I think Howie brings them all back. I don't see any outside player worth signing in FA. The big splash can be retaining your own guys. This team doesn't have many holes that need FA. The holes would be the ones created by not bringing guys back. Keep the team intact, sign some depth here and there and kill the draft again.

Looking at things in a different light is one thing.  Showing up here at 2am to call everyone else clowns for having a different opinion than you is going to elicit a strong reaction.  The guy is d-head and he deserves to be treated like one.  

I think it  may be a bit easier to find another Becton that it  will be to find another Baun.

Although they’ll probably be 2-5 years older than Becton, a o-lineman on the outs with his team, his starting job/role in question, injury concern, salary dump. 
 

Baun was lightning in a bottle. An undersized 3-4 OLB/DE with the ability to wrap up and attack sideline to sideline with speed and agility. That find was from the eyes above and scouting. Becton fell into the eagles lap.

And Becton will be getting more APY than Baun…I think. Some team could go crazy and do 3/40-4/50 on Baun tho.

they both definitely deserve it. And for Baun, without having a 1st round pedigree, he’d have to take it. Life changing money for his family, zero worry about money for the rest of his life in a brutal sport were the players have a 3 year avg. career.

8 hours ago, TEW said:

The real thing to consider is that this draft class has a ton of big, athletic, versatile line backers.

So $12 million for Baun, or a 3rd or 4th round pick for someone like Danny Stutsman, Deontae Lawson, Lander Barton, or Jaishawn Barham.

If Howie hasn’t changed his view of the relative importance of LB, then the opportunity cost gets even worse given the depth and quality of the draft.

Michigan is trying to convince Barham to move to Edge because Scouts think he will be better suited there

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

Don't disagree, but likely means losing two starters on the dline in Sweat and Williams.  And if we can't afford them it would be tough to afford their replacements of equal production.  Howie gonna have to earn his paycheck this offseason. 

True I mean I like Williams too

42 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

 

Found this bad boy cleaning out my uncles apartment a few months ago.

Played that relentlessly in the late 70s.

2 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

True I mean I like Williams too

Yep, difficult decisions coming up.

37 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

First time seeing this and I'm crying laughing. Great job by their social team.

 

 

"That does not exist" was the closest one to getting it right.

For some reason I thought Cine wasn't a very good athlete.  Although as graph shows that doesn't always translate.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

All very nice, but still leads to the major concern I have with this style which is that every single year, our QB ends up banged up at the end of the season.  IMO, they need to find a better way.  The QB runs far too much, by design, and that leads to extra hits on him and injuries.  This isn't about Hurts the player, this is about the basic design of the offense.  I don't like it.  Qbs get injured in the pocket, but have more protections in the pocket.  QBs on the run are hunted by defenders.   And I'm not naive in thinking that QBs in the pocket don't get injured, we saw that happen last week with Love, but the frequency seems to be much higher for QBs on the run, and even more so, that's when more of the concussions seem to happen.  

Personally, I have a hard time believing that a team can no longer be an effective offense running 21 personnel as their primary grouping, especially given that they'd be an anomaly and most defenses wouldn't be designed to effectively combat it.  Not many teams have 3 LBs that they are comfortable throwing on to the field, whereas 5 DBs is the norm.  And correct me if I'm wrong, but back in the day, when Daryl Johnston was leading the way for Emmitt Smith, he wasn't asked to block NTs and DTs very frequently, instead his job was to run through the hole and hit the first opposition color he saw, which was a LB or S more often than not.  Personally, I'd much rather this team ran an updated version of the 1980s/1990s WCO or even Dallas' offense of the early 1990s, rather than using our QB as an extension of the running game.  Philosophically, its just too much risk for me with the QB, especially with the investment that teams are making in that position. 

If they were cheaper, like RBs are currently, then I'd be fine with the exposure, but since they are the single most expensive position in all of sports (Patrick Mahomes accounts for over 25% of the Chiefs salary cap this year!!!) I think that more caution should be exercised. 

This isn't strictly a football discussion about Xs and Os, but a mix of the business side.  Why expose your most expensive asset to extra abuse for, frankly, minimal gains?   For example, the Buccaneers put up 502 points this season, the Eagles scored only 463.  Meanwhile, Baker Mayfield ran only 60 times... Hurts ran 150 times.  So, the Eagles scored fewer points, while exposing their QB 2.5x as much... and that is in only 14.25 games.  Had he played in all the games, that's likely another 30 carries Hurts gets.

I prefer the added threat of a QB running.  I wish it came packaged with better actual QB skills.  Of course,  then,  maybe I'd agree that the arm is too valuable too be exposing the QB to those hits.

As it is now,  with the QB we have, we NEED him to run to maximize the effectiveness of his offense. This offense doesn't work without the threat of his legs.

And we can afford an injury because we do have a valuable arm backing him up. The offense then looks way different,  but remains effective. 

57 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

First time seeing this and I'm crying laughing. Great job by their social team.

 

 

Big time football town.

14 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

For some reason I thought Cine wasn't a very good athlete.  Although as graph shows that doesn't always translate.

 

I was listening to a podcast with Greg Cosell where he made a great point.   Great athletes may not have the specific athletic traits to succeed at the NFL level.

He brough up Mailata.  You looked at Mailata playing rugby and correctly thought to yourself that he was an amazing athlete.  But then think about how much of the athleticism you saw playing rugby translates into playing OT in the NFL.  Speed is important for a WR.  But it's useless if you can't get in and out of breaks.

If we're not re-signing Becton I'd like for us to draft Aireontae Ersery. Was impressed by him going against Abdul Carter.   I also really like Tyler Warren, Donovan Jackson, Landon Jackson.

47 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Looking at things in a different light is one thing.  Showing up here at 2am to call everyone else clowns for having a different opinion than you is going to elicit a strong reaction.  The guy is d-head and he deserves to be treated like one.  

I must have missed some things.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Why is it stupid to look at things in a different light? Historically, the Eagles put a TON of value in both lines and next to nothing at LB. Milton Williams has proven he can be a very good DT playing next to Carter. There's no guarantee the next guy will be. They are the perfect duo. The Eagles lack pass rush punch from the edge so letting your 2nd best interior pass rusher go puts more pressure on finding edge pass rush and DT2 pass rush. Moro Ojomo has flashed but he's more of a tweener than Williams. I love Ojomo for depth across the line, not borderline starter. 

Becton is a 1st round talent who finally unlocked his potential here. I've been on the fence because of Steen, but bringing Becton back is the perfect Lane Johnson replacement plan. The question with him IMO, is if playing RG takes the pressure off of him from being on an island and he can play more confident in himself. Is there potential for him to implode if he struggles at RT? The hope is Stoutland has fixed him and he can dominate at RT too.

No one is saying don't bring back Baun. I think everyone sees how valuable he is. We went from garbage to Pro Bowler at LB. How would the defense look if they had two guys playing at the level of Dean? Dean has had his ups and downs this year, but if Trotter can make a jump to play at that level and Dean continues to improve, having two GOOD LB might be all the Eagles need.  Another thing to consider is Baun is 29. How many LB at that age are breaking the bank? 

There more I look at this team, the more I think Howie brings them all back. I don't see any outside player worth signing in FA. The big splash can be retaining your own guys. This team doesn't have many holes that need FA. The holes would be the ones created by not bringing guys back. Keep the team intact, sign some depth here and there and kill the draft again.

I didn't say not to sign Williams or Becton.. but there is no way I'm letting Baun go .. Williams is in my opinion better then Davis at this point and his contract will be ending soon

as well...you need at least a good healthy 3 man rotation a DT.. you can't go into a season with hopes that both your LBs will stay healthy

for a full year and when one drops which HAS HAPPENED with Dean every year but this one you need a solid 3-4 LBs that can cover that area. 

Fangio's defenses have ben built on above average to great LB play. Becton would be great to bring back but that's up to him to decide if he wants to run for the $$$ or be a part of the best line and Line coach in the NFL... 

Howie has tough decisions this year..Dallas and Slay...getting them off the books will free up some of that $$ for these 3but I don't know the $$ implications by trading or cutting them.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Why is it stupid to look at things in a different light? Historically, the Eagles put a TON of value in both lines and next to nothing at LB. Milton Williams has proven he can be a very good DT playing next to Carter. There's no guarantee the next guy will be. They are the perfect duo. The Eagles lack pass rush punch from the edge so letting your 2nd best interior pass rusher go puts more pressure on finding edge pass rush and DT2 pass rush. Moro Ojomo has flashed but he's more of a tweener than Williams. I love Ojomo for depth across the line, not borderline starter. 

Becton is a 1st round talent who finally unlocked his potential here. I've been on the fence because of Steen, but bringing Becton back is the perfect Lane Johnson replacement plan. The question with him IMO, is if playing RG takes the pressure off of him from being on an island and he can play more confident in himself. Is there potential for him to implode if he struggles at RT? The hope is Stoutland has fixed him and he can dominate at RT too.

No one is saying don't bring back Baun. I think everyone sees how valuable he is. We went from garbage to Pro Bowler at LB. How would the defense look if they had two guys playing at the level of Dean? Dean has had his ups and downs this year, but if Trotter can make a jump to play at that level and Dean continues to improve, having two GOOD LB might be all the Eagles need.  Another thing to consider is Baun is 29. How many LB at that age are breaking the bank? 

There more I look at this team, the more I think Howie brings them all back. I don't see any outside player worth signing in FA. The big splash can be retaining your own guys. This team doesn't have many holes that need FA. The holes would be the ones created by not bringing guys back. Keep the team intact, sign some depth here and there and kill the draft again.

Also..I have no problem with differing opinions but when you start throwing stones don't  expect  nobody to throw them back. I know it wasn't you but 

 you kinda ran to his defense so ...

I think a lot of people are forgetting that Baun was a career backup on a mediocre Saints defense until this year. Yes, he moved to the inside, but up until this year he’s been a JAG. Now that he’s changed positions in a new defense on a new team he made the pro bowl and I love that it’s as an Eagle. That doesn’t automatically translate into multiple huge contract offers from other teams. I don’t think he will be as difficult to retain as others think. If he does get a big offer from another team, Howie isn’t going to overpay for him, he’s just arrogant enough to think he can find another diamond in the rough. I don’t think Baun will get the offers, he’ll be an average priced starting inside linebacker.

Becton is the most physically gifted for his position, and we may be looking to slide him one spot to the right when the time comes. He’s priority #1. Howie will pay him RT money to keep him.

Do you remember when Howie was so excited to draft Williams and was looking around at everyone else wondering why they weren’t as excited? He’s a daily reminder that Howie was right. He’s priority #2, but if someone overpays for him he may be gone ala Jernigan.

Sweat I think may be on his last season with the Eagles unless it’s a very team friendly deal. He’s aging and has a lot of knee injuries in his past. I think Howie would like to keep him, but he won’t be joining a bidding war to keep him.

20 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I must have missed some things.

It sounds a lot like me, but I was asleep at 2am .... 

Imagine if the Geography Police showed up and made the NFL swap Carolina and Dallas in the NFCE and NFCS.  And then put Miami in the AFCS, Baltimore in the AFCE, and Indy in the AFCN.

Curious what Howie will do about Davis

17 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Curious what Howie will do about Davis

I have a feeling he'll be traded, especially if he signs Williams.