1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Just makes a big difference when talking about a 4 year contract. Whoever signs him to one will get the majority of a 28, 29, 30 year old season and by the time it’s the 4th year and he’s 31, there will be an easy out likely. 

Oh, I know. I just goofed on his age. 28 does make a big difference, especially with a later birthday. He plays the majority of next year at 28.

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

This was a down year for passing. Only 6 QBs were over 4k. Last year had 10. 2022 had 9 over 4k with Mahomes over 5k. 2021 had 10 over 4k with Brady and Herbert over 5k

This year was the return of the RB. 16 Rbs this year have over 1k yards compared to 12 last year. McCaffery won the rushing title last year with 1459 yards.

Also an interesting titbit. 11 out of the 14 playoff teams this year have a 1000 yards rusher. 2 of the remaining 3 have dealt with rbs missing several games in Pacheco and Dobbins. Broncos might be the only anamoly 🙂

Super happy that Fangio is happy with just being a DC for Eagles and has no plans to go for HC somewhere 

3 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

This is an amazing list!  

4 Qbs are 'elite'?   One of them has never suited up for a playoff game in the NFL, and another has a 2-5 playoff record.  That's elite?     

Tier 3 is where Daniels belongs, because there's no evidence of him in the playoffs yet.  Stafford has played at an elite level in the playoffs, why isn't he on the elite list?

Herbert has 1 playoff game under his belt.  And he was ok, at best.  Why is he just shy of elite?

Classic case of someone needing to put something out to try to remain relevant.  

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Super happy that Fangio is happy with just being a DC for Eagles and has no plans to go for HC somewhere 

I would love either Aaron Glenn or Al Harris in come capacity. I think both are tremendous coaches. Glenn is going to be a stud HC IMO. 

29 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

Linebacker isn't exactly a low impact position. I wonder how much wear and tear he's had prior to coming to the Eagles.

Not much, he barely ever played inside backer and he was always a back up at that. 

2 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

Tommy had me as an OL/DB hybrid. 

That makes sense.  Speed of an OL, height and weight of a DB.   

11 hours ago, Breeze 44 said:

I don't understand your level of stupidity but I am impressed with your commitment to it...

Why yes, how stupid of me to say that football games are won and lost in the trenches. I take back everything I said, letting a stud 25 year old OL and key rotational DT who gets pass rush from the middle who is also 25 go for a 28 year old LB is a great idea.

8 hours ago, brkmsn said:

So hypothetically speaking, if this were the late '80s roster, who would you prioritize resigning? Mike Golic, Ron Solt, or Seth Joyner?

So hypothetically speaking, do you like apples or oranges better. 

8 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Why is it stupid to look at things in a different light? Historically, the Eagles put a TON of value in both lines and next to nothing at LB. Milton Williams has proven he can be a very good DT playing next to Carter. There's no guarantee the next guy will be. They are the perfect duo. The Eagles lack pass rush punch from the edge so letting your 2nd best interior pass rusher go puts more pressure on finding edge pass rush and DT2 pass rush. Moro Ojomo has flashed but he's more of a tweener than Williams. I love Ojomo for depth across the line, not borderline starter. 

Becton is a 1st round talent who finally unlocked his potential here. I've been on the fence because of Steen, but bringing Becton back is the perfect Lane Johnson replacement plan. The question with him IMO, is if playing RG takes the pressure off of him from being on an island and he can play more confident in himself. Is there potential for him to implode if he struggles at RT? The hope is Stoutland has fixed him and he can dominate at RT too.

No one is saying don't bring back Baun. I think everyone sees how valuable he is. We went from garbage to Pro Bowler at LB. How would the defense look if they had two guys playing at the level of Dean? Dean has had his ups and downs this year, but if Trotter can make a jump to play at that level and Dean continues to improve, having two GOOD LB might be all the Eagles need.  Another thing to consider is Baun is 29. How many LB at that age are breaking the bank? 

There more I look at this team, the more I think Howie brings them all back. I don't see any outside player worth signing in FA. The big splash can be retaining your own guys. This team doesn't have many holes that need FA. The holes would be the ones created by not bringing guys back. Keep the team intact, sign some depth here and there and kill the draft again.

Thank you for getting my point and not straw manning it like so many others. I absolutely want Baun back. I just think prioritizing him over a 25 year old former first round pick who has the potential to be an all-pro G is insane, and I would also prioritize a 25 year old DT who is arguably our 2nd best player at the position and no worse than 3rd as well. Williams and Baun is close but Becton should be priority number 1, 2, and 3 to bring back.

25 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Super happy that Fangio is happy with just being a DC for Eagles and has no plans to go for HC somewhere 

He's also 66 years old, and most teams are looking for a younger option.  Vic had his shot, it didn't go great, and he's such a football guy he just wants to be around the game.  Respect for that.   He's basically our JJ 2.0.

I'm making a proper hype video right now.  Probably won't finish it until tomorrow on Saturday though. 

47 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Oh, I know. I just goofed on his age. 28 does make a big difference, especially with a later birthday. He plays the majority of next year at 28.

There is still a big difference between a 25 year old player just entering their prime and a 28 year old. Again, I want Baun back and hope they can bring back all of their key FA's but if I'm prioritizing it's Becton, Williams, Baun.

23 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Thank you for getting my point and not straw manning it like so many others. I absolutely want Baun back. I just think prioritizing him over a 25 year old former first round pick who has the potential to be an all-pro G is insane, and I would also prioritize a 25 year old DT who is arguably our 2nd best player at the position and no worse than 3rd as well. Williams and Baun is close but Becton should be priority number 1, 2, and 3 to bring back.

Won't he get offered RT money?

A thread that I read over on a Giants board that I thought you all might get a kick out of:

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I just don't get it...how is Philadelphia so good?

Vin_Cuccs : 1/2/2025 1:40 pm

Admittedly, this is jealousy and a lot of venting...but what am I missing here?

Their coach is seemingly a clueless imbecile, but yet he has a career record of 47-20, with a winning percentage of .701. Highest winning percentage in the league and 6th highest of all time. Two seasons of 13 wins, and double digit wins in 3 of his 4 seasons.

Their QB is a good leader, a good runner, but only a slightly above average passer. Has a lot of turnover-worthy plays but not a lot of turnovers. Yet he always leads the team to victory. 49-27-1 with a .703 winning percentage.

Obviously their skill position players are strong with Barkley, Brown, Smith, and Goedert, but Barkley and Brown were not nearly as good with their previous teams as they are with Philadelphia.

The line is their strength and has been for some time, but it seems like whoever they plug in there plays outstanding. Jason Kelce leaves, and Cam Jurgens makes the Pro-Bowl. Jurgens moves from guard to center, Mekhi Becton comes in and plays great all season. Their outstanding LT was found in Australia. Their Pro-Bowl/All-Pro RT was a former QB. Is this all Jeff Stoutland?

Their offensive coordinator, Kellen Moore was a good coordinator with the Cowboys and Chargers, but now operates one of the top offenses in the league.

Same with the defense...they pick up Zach Baun off of the scrap heap and he is a Pro-Bowl/All-Pro player. Vic Fangio comes in and leads them to the best statistical defense in the league. He lead a very average defense in Miami last season.

The amount of players that have career years in Philadelphia is crazy...

D'Andre Swift, Hasson Reddick have career years with the Eagles last year and don't do anything this season. CJ Gardner Johnson was outstanding with the Eagles two years ago, mediocre with Detroit last season, and outstanding again with the Eagles this year.

Is this the golden touch of Howie Roseman? Brandon Brown, his assistant GM, has helped Joe Schoen make the roster here worse!

I just don't get it...how does Philadelphia get the absolute best out of everyone?

 

Here's some of the replies:

Spoiler

 

You can read more on their site if you want to: https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=653158

 

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Won't he get offered RT money?

Who cares if he does. You don't let a 25 year old stud OL walk. Keep in mind that if they were to give him a 4 or 5 year deal chances are he's going to slide over to RT to replace Lane at some point during the contract.

48 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I would love either Aaron Glenn or Al Harris in come capacity. I think both are tremendous coaches. Glenn is going to be a stud HC IMO. 

I actually think he's gonna struggle. I don't think they've been that good defensively from a schematic point of view.

This is hilarious 

 

 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Won't he get offered RT money?

That's what I was trying to figure out. Clearly he was RG this year, but that happened out of necessity and it worked out great for the Eagles. Not that it carries any weight, but he's still listed under RT for any FA/salary websites. RT is going to get paid more but his successful game tape is at RG. It will be interesting to see how that works out. The Eagles know he can be a very good to great RG but we don't know if that will translate to RT. I know their injury philosophy is to put in a backup instead of move guys around, but were a few times where they could have tried Becton at RT and decided to use Fred Johnson instead. 

Again, my hope is they bring him back at RG, we get one more high level year out of Lane Johnson and then Becton bumps out to RT. 

6 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Who cares if he does. You don't let a 25 year old stud OL walk. Keep in mind that if they were to give him a 4 or 5 year deal chances are he's going to slide over to RT to replace Lane at some point during the contract.

Interesting

@just relax Thoughts on Becton replacing Lane?

Just now, DaEagles4Life said:

This is hilarious 

 

 

Baalke walking through the halls.

9 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Who cares if he does. You don't let a 25 year old stud OL walk. Keep in mind that if they were to give him a 4 or 5 year deal chances are he's going to slide over to RT to replace Lane at some point during the contract.

He was a total flop at LT for the Jets.  And he missed two full years out of four.  OG is his best position.  Stoutland is great but not perfect otherwise Dillard would be starting instead of one of the worst OLs in the league.   Becton is last on my list of Eagles priority FAs.  Take him at OG money on a heavily laden incentive contract to protect against injuries otherwise he can walk.

Becton is a no-brainer for a second contract.  You 100% lock him up and you don't think twice.  All this time we've been looking at the draft for a Lane replacement, and meanwhile here he is already on the roster.  Lock him up, kick him to tackle whenever Lane's time is up, and then you plug Steen in at RG and the line doesn't miss a beat. 

Baun is an interesting case because on the one hand, you obviously have to reward him for the amazing year he's having and the role he plays on the defense.  On the other hand though, it's difficult to gauge exactly what his perceived value around the league will be.  Too many times, too many teams get burned by signing players like him to massive free-agent deals only to have them blow up in your face.  It would be different if Baun was a stud in New Orleans and we brought him in, but he wasn't anything there at all.  How does another team assign a value to him when all they have to go on is his performance in a defense that isn't theirs?  I really don't think he's going to cost as much as we seem to think he will. 

I could see Howie going to him with a respectable deal, and leave room in there for escalators in the event he continues to play at the level he's at. Give him a path to make those mega-dollars but don't drop it all in his lap right away. 

Williams is a tougher call to make, being a draft pick we've spent the time developing and having Fangio very firmly in his corner. 

Sweat could very well be the casualty we have to live with.  But it also opens up the possibility for the Eagles to use that first-round pick to maybe package in a deal for a Myles Garrett or Maxx Crosby, which I'm sure they're going to take a good look at in the offseason. 

The other thing we have to consider is how willing these guys are going to be to maybe take a lesser deal so they can go ring hunting for the next few years? 

4 minutes ago, Eagles1960 said:

He was a total flop at LT for the Jets.  And he missed two full years out of four.  OG is his best position.  Stoutland is great but not perfect otherwise Dillard would be starting instead of one of the worst OLs in the league.   Becton is last on my list of Eagles priority FAs.  Take him at OG money on a heavily laden incentive contract to protect against injuries otherwise he can walk.

You lose the argument with your first statement. Pretty much everyone is a bust or at least under performs with the Jets.

2 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

Williams is a tougher call to make, being a draft pick we've spent the time developing and having Fangio very firmly in his corner. 

 

Keep in mind, the Milton Williams pick is the one that caused a fuss in the draft room. Howie got his man. I don't see Howie's ego letting him walk that easily.