Just now, mattwill said:

Are you saying that he may be the second coming of AJ Feeley?

What I am saying is that we don't know what he is yet.  Moving on from Hurts for him, or even contemplating at this point is way way too soon.

Apparently we were vanilla in the wildcard game with Packers on purpose

50 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nice pull.

I thought it was sloppy.

3 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Doesn't he get mugged in the subway after a guy sees his wad of cash? 🤣

8 hours ago, Peacekeeper said:

Again, the packers fans were taunting pretending to "j e r k” off with their hands as a celebration

The packers fans Twitter has old posts with derogatory slurs, and we’ve all seen his go fund me, being fully aware of the hostile environment describing it as "the belly of the beast” 

watched the packers couple interview after their ‘fame’ and it’s it’s alarming how many red flags you’ll see. 
 

GF doesn’t even like football. Didn’t want to switch seats with her BF saying it’s a "pride thing” to stand her ground (made up since everyone knows that was a simple solution and got blowback on that)

Never contacted security even tho the # is on the back of every seat. Said he had no idea 

And if that’s the true taunt that couple was doing, ppl should be ashamed for blasting that eagles fan and essentially ruining his life at this moment 

Who would want to sit next to people doing a taunt like that?

Once when I was in a security line at the St Louis Airport, I had some punk behind me who was giving me crap.  I honestly don't even remember what started it, but I remembered turning around and telling him to chill out.  After that he started saying s*** in my ear like "I'm going to f'n crack your skull like a walnut" and "I'm going to destroy you" over and over again.

Option 1) Turn around, use my old man strength and put the dude on the floor

Option 2) Ignore him and when I got to the TSA agent say "Keep an eye on this one, he's acting really weird and aggressive"

 

TL:DR - I don't care what Dbags they were being, that dude did it to himself.  He had other options.

30 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would counter you because Joe Banner has come out and discussed before that Jeffrey Lurie wants to do that and the success that Reid had here and in KC is why he’s wanted that. Add on there were reports after the Eagles won a game against the packers  that lurie was unhappy because they didn’t pass it like he wants them too. I don’t know if I can find the video but about 3 years Joe Banner went into a whole discussion into full detail on Reid’s passing philosophy and why Lurie believes in that philosophy even after Reid has been gone form the organization.

do not get me wrong, I’m positive Jeffrey Lurie is very happy when they keep winning. I don’t think he’s like do it this way otherwise you’re gonna be fired. However i do think in his mind that philosophy is what he ultimately wants and believes is the best way in structuring an offense and organization.

article from Jan 2022 (https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/jeffrey-lurie-was-right-its-a-passing-league-and-jalen-hurts-must-improve#:~:text=Jeffrey Lurie was right. It's OK to,owner alluded to in the summer of). In the article it straight up alludes to lurie making this remark

"It’s OK to admit it. Running the ball doesn’t win championships, like the Eagles owner alluded to in the summer of 2019.”

later in the article 

"Lurie and his analytics team got it right when The Athletic’s Sheil Kapadia asked the owner about the "establish the run” mentality and he said, "What’s the right way to say this? It’s just not a truthful way of reporting based on all the information we now have. OK? That’s sort of the nice way to say it.”

 Which goes into this where he was upset about how the eagles beat the packers in this article 

https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/beyond-the-obvious-are-jeffrey-luries-analytics-and-its-impact-on-run-game

 

All I can say is that a lot has changed in three years.  In 2021 no one would have predicted that they would sign a RB like Saquon.  The only sure things are death taxes and change.

53 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

They are both a**.

I have zero sympthay for whatever happens to either of them.

Not sure what sympthay is but I don’t have it either. Must be a New Zealand thing.

47 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Perfect! 

You should have heard Nick and some other guy on First Things First saying no clearly better QB/coach have lost to a coach/QB who wasn't as good outside of the Giants and some other example. I was like what??? Then it was McV is 6-0 in the playoffs vs teams he played in the regular season. I hope Carter snaps Matty in half on the first play.

36 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Yep, Williams/Stewart in the 1st, and then Sawyer/Tuimoloau in the 2nd.

That’s an interesting foursome when looked at in the context of ESPN’s top 23 EDGEs.  Williams seems to be likely to go long before we pick.  Stewart might be an early 2 rather than a late 1.  I personally like Shemar Stewart, but he may go before we pick.

20 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Probably not a bad idea to double up even if BG wants to come back for another year.

I’m on board with that.  Although I wouldn’t mind seeing Walter Nolen in Kelly Green.

16 minutes ago, mattwill said:

All I can say is that a lot has changed in three years.  In 2021 no one would have predicted that they would sign a RB like Saquon.  The only sure things are death taxes and change.

I knew you were gonna bring up the Saquon thing. His reasoning behind signing Saquon Barkley was never we believe the philosophy shifted. Even in his long winded answer, he talked about the passing game as part of the reason they would’ve go out and sign that type of running back when people would say they wouldn’t. He would they just have to make a big difference in the passing game and not strictly just a "running back” 

i’d also point out there there are articles that allude to Jeffrey Lurie talking about his analytics team telling him passing the football is the way to get to championships. Unless their analytics team has done a 180 qbs the data has shifted, i don’t see Lurie suddenly changing. Especially since Reid just won 3 out of 4 super bowls with the philosophy he’s tied too 

Here’s his quote about saquon signing 

Question: You've spoken about the running back position and the run game, have you seen a shift there?

JEFFREY LURIE: "Right. So, I think we're always looking for really inefficiencies in the marketplace. If we think the league is overvaluing a position or undervaluing a position, we will try our best, not always capable, of taking advantage of those inefficiencies. That's important as you're trying to maximize the salary cap and how you allocate resources within a defined space.

"But I think with Saquon, one of the things we always talk about, whether it was LeSean McCoy, Brian Westbrook, is the value of a running back is it's not even the word of the title "running back." You have to be a great passing attack running back as well. For us it's got to be multifunctional.

"And he exhibited a very special skill set both in the running and the passing game that we think certainly can be maximized by being on a team with better skill positions, quarterback, offensive line. So, it was a strategy to go.

"I know people think, well, we don't spend on the running back position. That's never really been the case. We would do it very carefully. So, LeSean McCoy, Brian Westbrook, those are instances of players that are really multi-purpose running backs that improve the passing attack, improve the running attack.

"And it's, I think, Howie said it, it's hard to find exceptionally talent players. If you think about it, what we pay Saquon Barkley, take another position of what that's getting in the league and you tell me, is it better to pay Saquon that kind of money or a player at a different position that's getting the exact same amount of money? That's a decision. And Howie led the way there and felt that Saquon was the right way to spend that money."

20 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What I am saying is that we don't know what he is yet.  Moving on from Hurts for him, or even contemplating at this point is way way too soon.

It is never too soon to contemplate.  As they say luck is when preparation meets opportunity.  Contemplation is a core component of preparation.  
 

I wholeheartedly agree with you that lots of work needs to be put into the evaluation of McKee, and it is never too early to be doing that evaluation. 

59 minutes ago, TEW said:

Yeah, my idea of success in the playoffs is winning the Super Bowl.

We certainly won’t beat the Lions or the Chiefs if he plays so poorly against them. And probably not the Bills or Ravens either.

Yes, of course I hope the eagles win the Super Bowl and the rest of the team can compensate for bad QB play, but I doubt it will fly against the elite teams we are likely to play.

Yes, we will never, ever beat the Ravens with Hurts as qb. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I knew you were gonna bring up the Saquon thing. His reasoning behind signing Saquon Barkley was never we believe the philosophy shifted. Even in his long winded answer, he talked about the passing game as part of the reason they would’ve go out and sign that type of running back when people would say they wouldn’t. He would they just have to make a big difference in the passing game and not strictly just a "running back” 

Here’s his quote about saquon signing 

Question: You've spoken about the running back position and the run game, have you seen a shift there?

JEFFREY LURIE: "Right. So, I think we're always looking for really inefficiencies in the marketplace. If we think the league is overvaluing a position or undervaluing a position, we will try our best, not always capable, of taking advantage of those inefficiencies. That's important as you're trying to maximize the salary cap and how you allocate resources within a defined space.

"But I think with Saquon, one of the things we always talk about, whether it was LeSean McCoy, Brian Westbrook, is the value of a running back is it's not even the word of the title "running back." You have to be a great passing attack running back as well. For us it's got to be multifunctional.

"And he exhibited a very special skill set both in the running and the passing game that we think certainly can be maximized by being on a team with better skill positions, quarterback, offensive line. So, it was a strategy to go.

"I know people think, well, we don't spend on the running back position. That's never really been the case. We would do it very carefully. So, LeSean McCoy, Brian Westbrook, those are instances of players that are really multi-purpose running backs that improve the passing attack, improve the running attack.

"And it's, I think, Howie said it, it's hard to find exceptionally talent players. If you think about it, what we pay Saquon Barkley, take another position of what that's getting in the league and you tell me, is it better to pay Saquon that kind of money or a player at a different position that's getting the exact same amount of money? That's a decision. And Howie led the way there and felt that Saquon was the right way to spend that money."

I believe we have gotten to the agree to disagree stage of this discussion.  Our respective attitudes towards change are diametrically opposed. 

5 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Let's not even talk about the '89 49ers and the Eagles, that game still pisses me off to no end.  

yeah i remember watching that game and couldnt believe what was happening lol

23 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I believe we have gotten to the agree to disagree stage of this discussion.  Our respective attitudes towards change are diametrically opposed. 

I’m gonna leave you with this, they specifically asked him in that quote if there was a shift in running the ball. And he completely ignored that there was a shift and talked passing game being vital with a RB. Also, there’s other articles where he talks about his analytics team indicating to him passing the football is the way to titles. So it wouldn’t just be him shifting it would be a complete shift in the analytics for him to have that change.

So with analytics, let’s just look at the last five years. The Super Bowl champions were chiefs, Bucs, Rams, Chiefs and Chiefs. Reid’s philosophy is still pass first to get the lead so that you could run it later in the game. That’s not changed. Rams/bengals Super Bowl consisted of 30th ranked rushing attack and 23rd but top 8 pass attacks. Bucs Super Bowl title was 25th ranked rushing attack and 4th in passing. So I don’t know where the analytics would have changed for Jeffrey Lurie to all of a sudden go away from what his philosophy is.  he should be even more ingrained based off the last five Super Bowl champions.

Imo i think they saw the San Francisco 49ers get Christian McCaffrey and how dynamic he was in the pass game for Shanahan and purdy as well as boosting their overall running game.  they figured we could do that with Saquon Barkley as a FA to elevate the passing and running game. And he was at a great price compared to money being spent on other positions on the market 

36 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Apparently we were vanilla in the wildcard game with Packers on purpose

Next week is the REAL test!

2 minutes ago, ToDie4Eagles said:

Next week is the REAL test!

Rams are a trap game

 

1 hour ago, TEW said:

Yeah, my idea of success in the playoffs is winning the Super Bowl.

We certainly won’t beat the Lions or the Chiefs if he plays so poorly against them. And probably not the Bills or Ravens either.

Yes, of course I hope the eagles win the Super Bowl and the rest of the team can compensate for bad QB play, but I doubt it will fly against the elite teams we are likely to play.

Yeah but apparently now it’s being coached out of him not to make any risky throws or tough throws, so it’s not his fault, which means none of the folks that criticize Hurt’s piss poor play want him to win a SB. It’s so ridiculous I can’t respond to it anymore. 

He sucked last weekend.  He was really good against Cincy, the Rams, and Pittsburgh off the top of my head this year.  I ate some crow temporarily when he actually looked like an NFL QB those weekends. He will need to make the tough throws in big moments into tight spots in the next 3 rounds in order to win (maybe not even against LA). He can’t be one of the worst and least efficient passers in the league. How is that hard to understand for some of these people?  
 

By the way, for some of you Hurts apologists, why do you think he’s being "coached out of” making risky throws?  Maybe because they don’t trust him even a little bit bc he has consistently shown that he doesn’t have that ability?  
 

 

 

5 hours ago, just relax said:

Could be even better than Deion. Two fantastic choices. 💩💩Plus, Micah will want out immediately.🫨

Saleh i think could be a fantastic coach, if hired to the right place.  By all accounts everyone but A-Aron loved playing for him…the team circled the drain completely once he left.   Would make sense in Pitt, NE or Buffalo if they decide to move on if they don’t make the SB this year.  Somewhere like Dallas, Jax or Chicago would be the end of his HC career and he’d be back to being a DC for the rest of his career.

 

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

"The Eagles are managing their veterans and star players during the playoffs and giving them rest days."

 

Like this last Sunday.

20 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Saleh i think could be a fantastic coach, if hired to the right place.  By all accounts everyone but A-Aron loved playing for him…the team circled the drain completely once he left.   Would make sense in Pitt, NE or Buffalo if they decide to move on if they don’t make the SB this year.  Somewhere like Dallas, Jax or Chicago would be the end of his HC career and he’d be back to being a DC for the rest of his career.

You may be right. Getting fired by the Jets  is a good thing. OTOH, he butchered his handling of Becton, for which I am grateful but for which there is no excuse.

3 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Becton obliterating that linebacker is amazing every time you watch it 

 

"Ruh Roh"