2 hours ago, Miami said:

Great.  We need 2+ ballers.  This defense could become Buddy-like with some nasty pressure off the edge.

I'd rather it become Bud Carson-like, frankly.   Carson took Buddy's players, made them more disciplined and forged them into one of the very best defenses of all-time.  Buddy's defenses were exciting, but they were also extremely undisciplined and prone to be gashed at times.  Carson's version in 1991 was just so much better.  Same great athleticism, but within a much more disciplined scheme.

6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Salah might not have a choice, unfortunately. I think he likely ends up as a DC again somewhere first before getting another shot at HC.

San Francisco is the most logical DC landing spot for him.  They have already let their DC go.

48 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

"They’re just playing possum”

Where have we heard this before?   Pretty sure that was a RR classic.

 

But, in the playoffs... its a case of:

12 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

This is a ridiculous take. The coach is merely limited by what qb1 can do. If you don’t believe that go rewatch the Dallas game where the offensive play calling was considerably different from what they do with hurts. Ie basic quick slant routes to WRs. 

You are ignoring context.

50 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

Not sure Elliott gets it done. May need to throw in Carter as well. 

I meant make it more even for us.  Additional by subtraction 

34 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You very consistently think inside the box and don’t place much value in what is written between the lines.  I very consistently think outside the box and treat anything that politicians say with a horse lick of salt.  Lurie is a politician when he steps in front of the press.

Yeah, I don’t think that it is at all. The Eagles front office and Jeffrey Lurie are analytic driven. The advanced analytics and even just basic stats i gave you in the last post lean heavily to throwing the ball to win titles.

you are basing it on the fact he works in the film industry he is just willing to change all of a sudden. So an organization that is heavily reliant on analytics is just gonna change without having analytics? Find it hard to believe they just throw the advance analytics away just cause. So show me those analytics and not just give me your theory about him working in the film industry so he’s willing to try anything. Don’t downplay lurie’s own quotes over the course of 20+ year and people who worked him (banner) and just assume say he’s just being a politician. 

27 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Game script has a lot to do with it. We didn't take a bunch of deep shots against GB because we didn't have to. Their offense was never once on the field to even be in position to take the lead, let alone ours coming out on the field having to take it back.

when the GB offense came on to the field for the first time, a TD and 2 point conversion would have taken the lead.

 

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah, I don’t think that it is at all. The Eagles front office and Jeffrey Lurie are analytic driven. The advanced analytics and even just basic stats i gave you in the last post lean heavily to throwing the ball to win titles.

you are basing it on the fact he works in the film industry he is just willing to change all of a sudden. So an organization that is heavily reliant on analytics is just gonna change without having analytics? Find it hard to believe they just throw the advance analytics away just cause. So show me those analytics and not just give me your theory about him working in the film industry. 

Neither you nor I have access to their analytics.  We can only speculate 

24 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Wait Ewers declared for the draft?  I thought he was transferring to Oregon?  CFB is so f’d…

Yep.   It's a disaster.

20 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

This is a ridiculous take. The coach is merely limited by what qb1 can do. If you don’t believe that go rewatch the Dallas game where the offensive play calling was considerably different from what they do with hurts. Ie basic quick slant routes to WRs. 

And when those are called with Hurts they are executed. How differently did the defense play with Hurts out? Were they playing man? You assume things are limited because of Hurts and maybe you're right but he has shown he can run those offenses if given the opportunity. Just an example.. why wouldn't they run any under center plays (w/o PA) with Hurts ever until last week? Worked beautifully. Definitely not because they don’t trust him. You don't try something out for the first time in a playoff game if you don't trust the player. 

5 minutes ago, justwinbaby said:

And when those are called with Hurts they are executed. How differently did the defense play with Hurts out? Were they playing man? You assume things are limited because of Hurts and maybe you're right but he has shown he can run those offenses if given the opportunity. Just an example.. why wouldn't they run any under center plays (w/o PA) with Hurts ever until last week? Worked beautifully. Definitely not because they don’t trust him. You don't try something out for the first time in a playoff game if you don't trust the player. 

They’ve been calling little to nothing over the middle for 2 years now. Either they call it and hurts changes the play at the LOS or they don’t bec he can’t consistently execute it. We will never know. But I find it hard to believe that hurts is only as good as Steichen. Lots of elite qbs lose their off coordinators. Happens all the time. 

34 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

How many recent games were we in where we kept going back and forth having to retake the lead? I honestly can't remember any aside from the loss to the commanders.

So you're saying for the 2nd half of the season we haven't thrown deep because we haven't needed to? Am I understanding you correctly?

9 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

Him, Larry Fitzgerald’s son, and Darren Sharper’s son all play on the same team. 

Hurts:

"We're going to run the offense the way I want it"

TATE:

"Damn you, Kellen Moore!"

26 minutes ago, mattwill said:

San Francisco is the most logical DC landing spot for him.  They have already let their DC go.

That would be pretty annoying if SF one day got another 3rd round pick for that white guy.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Neither you nor I have access to their analytics.  We can only speculate 

lol Maybe we should speculate they don’t even use analytics anymore cause we don’t have access to it so how do we know it even exists. And we can only take with a grain of salt what lurie says in pressers or peoples he’s worked with for years as he’s a politician. Or what banner has discussed about how the eagles operate or beat writers who’ve had in depth conversations with lurie and howie have told us. 

9 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

They’ve been calling little to nothing over the middle for 2 years now. Either they call it and hurts changes the play at the LOS or they don’t bec he can’t consistently execute it. We will never know. But I find it hard to believe that hurts is only as good as Steichen. Lots of elite qbs lose their off coordinators. Happens all the time. 

If Hurts checks out of a play called over the middle, how do you know he did since they never ran it? There's a lot of assumptions going on. I have no idea why they call so few plays over the middle of the field. Really wish they had more. Maybe Hurts is uncomfortable throwing into the middle of a zone in the middle of the field I just find that highly unlikely. Sure felt like they did a lot of it in 2022 and he obviously had a lot of success so why would Hurts not want to? It really does make no sense. 

47 minutes ago, mattwill said:

There is no doubt in my mind that he has been coached to avoid risk.  Kellen Moore has been coached to avoid risk in his play calling.  You clearly didn’t understand my point.  Let me state it again. I believe that the Eagles are one of 32 teams that coach their QBs in risk avoidance.  I also believe that over 95% of the QBs in the NFL receive risk avoidance coaching.

There’s a big difference between risk avoidance and risk aversion, though.  Lamar Jackson brings elite mobility along with 41 passing TDs and only 4 INT.

The Eagles are about to enter territory where the opposing defense will do everything necessary to limit Saquon Barkley’s production — which means extra defenders at the LOS and fewer defenders in pass coverage.  Hurts has to be able to take what the defense is giving for the Eagles to beat the elite teams.  There has to be at least 3-4 deep shots per game to Smith/Brown.  When he needs to do that will be dictated by pre snap recognition and diagnosis.  See the mismatches and take advantage.

13 minutes ago, justwinbaby said:

If Hurts checks out of a play called over the middle, how do you know he did since they never ran it? There's a lot of assumptions going on. I have no idea why they call so few plays over the middle of the field. Really wish they had more. Maybe Hurts is uncomfortable throwing into the middle of a zone in the middle of the field I just find that highly unlikely. Sure felt like they did a lot of it in 2022 and he obviously had a lot of success so why would Hurts not want to? It really does make no sense. 

Wasn’t an assumption. I meant we don’t know by saying "we will never know.” That’s my bad. I think that when the offense can drop 40+ with backup qbs, looks more efficient and passing the ball isn’t hard to do, that is definitely them calling it differently than when hurts plays. Hurts isn’t good. He’s just average. His best play is a qb sneak that the other 2 qbs we had ran just as well. Hard to feel like he’s going to be able to beat a team in the playoffs with his arm. Hope he does and I have to eat my words but there’s little to no faith in him

it could very well be that Siri has more say in the offense than we know as well. He’s the one constant that’s been around, the common denominator. 

32 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Hurts:

"We're going to run the offense the way I want it"

TATE:

"Damn you, Kellen Moore!"

No more strawmen. Let’s start being honest.

it’s Brian Johnsons fault. 

43 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Hurts:

"We're going to run the offense the way I want it"

TATE:

"Damn you, Kellen Moore!"

Kellen Moore doesn't know how to call this offense and it's killing us. 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Kellen Moore doesn't know how to call this offense and it's killing us. 

He's like the guy isn't a freaking QB

37 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

lol Cool Maybe we should speculate they don’t even use analytics anymore cause we don’t have access to it so how do we know it even exists. Or because we can’t believe or take with a grain of salt what lurie says as he’s a politician. Or what banner has discussed about how the eagles operate or beat writers who’ve had in depth conversations with lurie and howie have told us. 

You are moving the goalposts. You asked me to provide analytics to support my position.  I responded that no one on the outside can. Neither you nor me nor anyone.  All we can do is speculate.

37 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

There’s a big difference between risk avoidance and risk aversion, though.  

There is?  What is that difference?