5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Uhh because Hurts isn’t and never will be a Stafford. The sacks were bad. The rest was fine. We are asking him to manage the game and not turn the ball over. 

Hurts also wasn't playing from behind either.  Josh Allen's passing stats also weren't impressive and yet they won. 

8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Uhh because Hurts isn’t and never will be a Stafford. The sacks were bad. The rest was fine. We are asking him to manage the game and not turn the ball over. 

I get that, but when you see "given the conditions" time and time again, it's already a built in excuse to expect less. Why should our expectations for Hurts be so low? I want him to be great. He's shown he can be great. I don't like this kind of QB play. I don't like taking absolutely terrible sacks. It's not a new thing. How many games have there been where Hurts slides in to a sack. Just get rid of the ball. Throw it away...better yet, throw it to the guys who are wide open that we all can see. 

I don't want to settle for a game manager at QB. I don't want to have a $250 million QB where the bar we've set is just don't turn the ball over.

If just don't turn the ball over is the expectation, trade Hurts, save money and put in Tanner McKee. Tanner, just don't turn the ball over. Let's use the $250 million on Baun, Williams, Becton, Sweat and extensions for Jurgens, Blankenship etc. 

Sorry, I'm not ranting at you, I'm just voicing what I want from a QB. What we are getting out of Jalen Hurts is not what I and many others want. I doubt it's what Lurie and Howie want either. 

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Uhh because Hurts isn’t and never will be a Stafford. The sacks were bad. The rest was fine. We are asking him to manage the game and not turn the ball over. 

He doesn't turn the ball over because he won't turn the ball over.  The Eagles don't throw for first down yardage on third and long...ever.  They don't get the ball out quickly to hot reads against the blitz.  They don't throw into WR breaks before they are open.  Hurts just takes sacks on these plays.

It's nearly impossible to throw INTs when that is how the passing offense is run.  

15 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I don’t get the Hurts hate after this game. It was a bad weather snow game. What are yall expecting? lol

 

Not to go brain dead. 

14 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Matt Stafford went 24-44 for 324 and 2 TDs. Why are we grading on a curve for Hurts playing in the same conditions?

Completing  54% of your passes is anything but "great”.  So obviously the weather affected Stafford as well.   
 

Hurts completed 9 less passes (with 2 bad drops mixed in) but in 24 less attempts.  
 

Given the conditions, I would prefer pass accuracy over pass volume.  
 

That said, the passing game needs improvement - no one is debating that but Stafford’s performance should not be used as a measuring stick, imo. 
  

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Uhh because Hurts isn’t and never will be a Stafford. The sacks were bad. The rest was fine. We are asking him to manage the game and not turn the ball over. 

If that’s what we are asking then Hurts needs to be paid 80% less than he is.

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

As always the truth is somewhere in the middle. Yes Hurts held on to the ball too long, again. Yes the weather affected everyone's play. Yes the OL had a relatively poor pass blocking day. Yes Hurts is in charge of pass blocking coverage calls. Yes even if the right coverage was called some guys flat out whiffed their assignments (Becton had a few). Yes there were some bad drops. Yes Hurts' legs were a big part of us winning. Yes he missed some open guys, especially in the middle of the field as is his MO. Yes Hurts avoided to biggest cardinal sin in playoff football: turnovers. 

I get it, it was a poor passing performance. But completely blaming Hurts and completely exonerating him are both pretty silly stances IMO. 

 

Makes some sense.  But a safety is a turnover.  I don't care what the stats say.  You are giving the other team two points and the ball which is worse than a real turnover.  And that safety was on Hurts as was most of the endlessly holding the ball for sacks.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I get that, but when you see "given the conditions" time and time again, it's already a built in excuse to expect less. Why should our expectations for Hurts be so low? I want him to be great. He's shown he can be great. I don't like this kind of QB play. I don't like taking absolutely terrible sacks. It's not a new thing. How many games have there been where Hurts slides in to a sack. Just get rid of the ball. Throw it away...better yet, throw it to the guys who are wide open that we all can see. 

I don't want to settle for a game manager at QB. I don't want to have a $250 million QB where the bar we've set is just don't turn the ball over.

If just don't turn the ball over is the expectation, trade Hurts, save money and put in Tanner McKee. Tanner, just don't turn the ball over. Let's use the $250 million on Baun, Williams, Becton, Sweat and extensions for Jurgens, Blankenship etc. 

Sorry, I'm not ranting, I'm just voicing what I want from a QB. What we are getting out of Jalen Hurts is not what I and many others want. I doubt it's what Lurie and Howie want either. 

Stafford had a fumble and could have been intercepted three times. Slay’s had a chance to be a pick 6. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Competing 54% of your passes is anything but "great”.  So obviously the weather affected Stafford as well.   
 

Hurts completed 9 less passes (with 2 bad drops mixed in) but with 24 less attempts.  
 

Given the conditions, I would prefer pass accuracy over pass volume.  
 

That said, the passing game needs improvement - no one is debating that but Stafford’s performance should not be used as a measuring stick, imo. 
  

 

 

 

Any pass attack in those conditions was not going to be efficient.  Stafford was not efficient, but he moved the football in the air.

Hurts was efficient by completion percentage, but our pass attack was more of a glorified running game.  We really did not utilize or have a passing offense.  

If the weather was better, we probably would have had some minor semblance of a passing game and Stafford probably would have been more efficient.

What is the deal with Jordan Davis’ snaps? Seems like they’ve been phasing him out and only prioritizing him on running downs lately. Played 17 out of 71 snaps yesterday. What has been his average snap count on the season? 

Just now, BDawk_ASamuel said:

What is the deal with Jordan Davis’ snaps? Seems like they’ve been phasing him out and only prioritizing him on running downs lately. Played 17 out of 71 snaps yesterday. What has been his average snap count on the season? 

I could be wrong, but I think that's a pretty typical snap count for him.

I love to belabor a point, but that Hurts safety can’t be emphasized enough. It showed a lack of understanding the situation presnap (dropping back to your goal line and needing to know where checkdowns/hots are in case of pressure) and then post-snap to get through the read and have any semblance of an internal clock. 

People want to blame Moore for throwing there, but a professional QB needs to come out of that play with a positive play. Goedert was open for a big play. Barkley could have gotten the ball 1 on 1 with a chance for a first down. 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Completing  54% of your passes is anything but "great”.  So obviously the weather affected Stafford as well.   
 

Hurts completed 9 less passes (with 2 bad drops mixed in) but with 24 less attempts.  
 

Given the conditions, I would prefer pass accuracy over pass volume.  
 

That said, the passing game needs improvement - no one is debating that but Stafford’s performance should not be used as a measuring stick, imo. 
  

 

 

 

Actually Stafford should have been picked off at least twice, maybe even three times. He was really good on the last two Rams drives, but it wasn’t a really good game by him either.

 

The weather should be "excuse” for all the guys that played yesterday. It wasn’t easy.

 

As for Hurts, he has definitely regressed. I’m not seeing his game yesterday as critic as some here, but the tape for the last weeks just doesn’t lie. He makes the same boneheaded mistakes and decisions over and over again. Yes, some of the sacks yesterday were on the O-line IMO (what’s @just relax take), but others were on him holding the damn ball too long. Plus some of the playcalling in critical moments was also subpar.

 

We live to fight another Sunday!

We are witnessing the greatest rushing season in the history of the NFL.

Saquon is already in the top ten all-time for:

• Single game rushing yards - Regular Season
• Single season rushing yards - Regular Season
• Single game rushing yards - Playoffs

He only needs 26 yards to enter the top ten all-time for single season rushing yards - Playoffs.

He'd be the only player to be in all four categories.  All in the same season.

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He doesn't turn the ball over because he won't turn the ball over.  The Eagles don't throw for first down yardage on third and long...ever.  They don't get the ball out quickly to hot reads against the blitz.  They don't throw into WR breaks before they are open.  Hurts just takes sacks on these plays.

It's nearly impossible to throw INTs when that is how the passing offense is run.  

The Hurts Huggers in here willingly choose to turn a blind eye to every single deficiency you just listed.  Even on the Hurts injury, it was noted by the the analysts that he is so scared to turn the ball over that he probably could have outran the defender, but that’s just 1 example of many from yesterday.  

His best play yesterday was his outlet/screen to Saquon in the end zone against the blitz on 3rd and 14. 

7 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

What is the deal with Jordan Davis’ snaps? Seems like they’ve been phasing him out and only prioritizing him on running downs lately. Played 17 out of 71 snaps yesterday. What has been his average snap count on the season? 

I was thinking the same thing. I just don’t get it. Is he really that "bad” or out of shape to only play 17 snaps in a playoff game?

17 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

As always the truth is somewhere in the middle. Yes Hurts held on to the ball too long, again. Yes the weather affected everyone's play. Yes the OL had a relatively poor pass blocking day. Yes Hurts is in charge of pass blocking coverage calls. Yes even if the right coverage was called some guys flat out whiffed their assignments (Becton had a few). Yes there were some bad drops. Yes Hurts' legs were a big part of us winning. Yes he missed some open guys, especially in the middle of the field as is his MO. Yes Hurts avoided to biggest cardinal sin in playoff football: turnovers. 

I get it, it was a poor passing performance. But completely blaming Hurts and completely exonerating him are both pretty silly stances IMO. 

 

Maybe it’s just me but I absolutely consider a safety a turnover 

1 minute ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

I was thinking the same thing. I just don’t get it. Is he really that "bad” or out of shape to only play 17 snaps in a playoff game?

He was drafted before Fangio showed up.  Vic is using him in a way that best fits his scheme.  

Notice how Q, DeJean, and Hunt, all guys drafted after Vic arrived, are on the field.

1 minute ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

I was thinking the same thing. I just don’t get it. Is he really that "bad” or out of shape to only play 17 snaps in a playoff game?

I don't think it's the case of he's that bad. I think it's more of Williams and Ojomo are making more and more plays and it's harder to justify taking them off the field. Put the guys on the field who are making game changing plays. Right now, That's not Jordan Davis. 

16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Not to go brain dead. 

The bootleg was bad and the safety the rest is what it is. AJ dropped a td.

38 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Just to be clear since everyone keeps saying AJ dropped a TD, he never reached the end zone.. so I'm not sure how you guys think that catch results in 6 points for us,  or a TD for Hurts stat line. 

Had Hurts thrown the ball correctly instead of the accidental back shoulder,  then it could have been a TD. But,  it wasn't. That's 6 more points Hurts left off the board. 

You are one sad dude.  Wasn't accidental at all.  Was a perfect throw.  The coverage was inside with a safety over top.  If he throws it where you  think it should have been thrown its either an INT or AJ gets obliterated.  

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Competing 54% of your passes is anything but "great”.  So obviously the weather affected Stafford as well.   
Hurts completed 9 less passes (with 2 bad drops mixed in) but with 24 less attempts.  
Given the conditions, I would prefer pass accuracy over pass volume.  
That said, the passing game needs improvement - no one is debating that but Stafford’s performance should not be used as a measuring stick, imo.  

So we count Eagles drops, but don't count Rams drops?   🤔.  

 

The Eagles had opportunities to blow the Rams out... but for a variety of reasons they didn't... bad sacks taking the team out of FG range twice (-6 points), a safety (+2), missed opportunities at the goal line (-4 points), missed PATs (-2 points)... the Eagles gave away about 14 points... and somehow still managed to win.  They need to figure it out and not leave the points on the field next week.    And I'll say that the vast majority of these missed opportunities were not weather related. 

We ignored the running game when we hit the edge of the red zone, and missed FG opportunities with bad sacks.  We ignored the running game one 2nd down backed up, even though they'd gotten good yards on first down with a run.  Missed PATs, one in bad weather (maybe weather related), but the first one the weather was 'fine'.  And the flinch by Johnson on the Tush Push aside, they should have gotten into the end zone before 4th down.  Why run from shotgun at the goal line so much?!?!  

Some of this is on Moore (hard to believe with a 200 yard rusher that they ignored the running game, but they did.. Barkley had 26 carries, but Gainwell had only 1!)  And this is what you signed Barkley for... for these games.  Ride him.  Or trust Gainwell and the OL to give good enough results to keep the running game going.  

22 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

What is the deal with Jordan Davis’ snaps? Seems like they’ve been phasing him out and only prioritizing him on running downs lately. Played 17 out of 71 snaps yesterday. What has been his average snap count on the season? 

They have been phasing him out, ever since the bye week. He was around 50% the first 4 games and then dropped each week. The only games he had an increase in snaps was Pittsburgh which was a blowout and vs NYG which was a meaningless game he played into the 4th.

Last week the only players with less snaps was Huff and Rodgers who filled in for Slay on a few plays. This week the only players with less snaps was someone that got injured early and CB4.

Reminder that if the awful Panthers don’t beat the Saints in a last second field goal in New Orleans in 2022 in the last game of the season, the Eagles probably don’t have Jalen Carter right now.

52 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

It wasn’t on Hurts.  Other than the safety (which was also a very questionable play call in that situation) most other plays people keep grinding on were either not entirely his fault or his fault at all. 

Safety was terrible.  The call was good because Goedert was open immediately.  Gotta throw that.  No qualms from me with people banging that drum.  But we should have been up by 3 TDs at that point.