1 hour ago, rrfierce said:

I'd say barkley is pretty important.

For the next season or 2, yes. He’s almost 28. He’ll be 30 in two years. We know how quickly RBs lose their explosiveness at 30. Westbrook and Shady went from being elite to #3 backs real quick. 

Kempski has some good analysis out now timing each of the sacks from the snap. 

6 of the 7 sacks came after 3.0 secs. 4 of the 7 after 3.50, and 2 after 4.0 secs. 

What we are all seeing with our eyes is true - Hurts holding onto the ball too long is primarily responsible for the sacks. 

15 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

TBH I'm not sure we'll lose Gainwell.  The RB market is still saturated with RB's with similar skill sets.  Henry, Barkely and a few others have helped the market but that's primarily for your elite, home run hitting type of backs,  (If I were to guess, maybe 5-10 RB's as of now).  

I'd be happy to keep Gainwell if he doesn't break the bank.  If so we need to shift a lot of carries to him and away from Saquon next year.

Do they have practices anymore during the week? What are they doing? Does Sirirani just watch Hurts hold the ball 10 seconds a snap for an hour practice and then say "great practice! guys"? I'd make him get the ball out in 2.5 seconds for an entire hour. Everyday. Every time he missed one the clock would start over again and nobody leaves the field until it's completed. What the hell do they do during the week? There's been literally no improvement in this area at all minus the start of games for a small moment. 

 

5 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

Kempski has some good analysis out now timing each of the sacks from the snap. 

6 of the 7 sacks came after 3.0 secs. 4 of the 7 after 3.50, and 2 after 4.0 secs. 

What we are all seeing with our eyes is true - Hurts holding onto the ball too long is primarily responsible for the sacks. 

But it's the o line's fault! Hurts deserves 5 seconds to throw!

6 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

Kempski has some good analysis out now timing each of the sacks from the snap. 

6 of the 7 sacks came after 3.0 secs. 4 of the 7 after 3.50, and 2 after 4.0 secs. 

What we are all seeing with our eyes is true - Hurts holding onto the ball too long is primarily responsible for the sacks. 

On paper, that does seem too long.  As far as more in depth analysis, especially on the sacks that occurred between 3 - 3.5 seconds (The others - after 3.5 - 4+ seconds - were likely after he was scrambling, trying to extend the play, etc)  it would be interesting to see where the pressure came from (up the middle, for example, blocking his throwing lanes, etc - and how he  can overcome that in the future, etc...

29 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Someone just needs to explain to me how AJ Brown can be wide open on a 4th and 4, running the simplest route besides a go route, and the Eagles don't just do that over and over again.  

If you're talking about the slant, I remember the game coverage showing another play where the LB tried to bait Hurts into throwing the slant and would have been in position to intercept it.  Thankfully in that case Hurts didn't pull the trigger.  Perhaps defenses are scheming to take away that throw.

 

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s not just average backs. Cmc 2023-24 (also did it in Carolina and same thing), Jonathan Taylor 2021-22, Henry 2020-21 and then 2022-23. There’s even more i listed than those 3 last week. Those backs either got hurt the following year and/or had a regression. I would add I think his long runs cover up for the fact there’s been times this year where he’s gotten hit and left the field. Gainwell finished out the series and started the following series. Yesterday he took a shot to the wrist. And that was a hard hit by the rams defender

can he stay healthy and do it? Yes. Has previous history at the position and even in his own career shown you that there’s a higher chance he doesn’t? Also, yes.

 

I'd also add that guys like CMC and Jonathan Taylor had similar YPA's those years to Barkley this year. The only guy who really got his volume with the tough, slog yards was Derrick Henry whose some alien unicorn tank. 

I actually wondered the same thing. Nate Burleson discussed this rule with SpongeBob and Patrick last week 

 

8 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

Kempski has some good analysis out now timing each of the sacks from the snap. 

6 of the 7 sacks came after 3.0 secs. 4 of the 7 after 3.50, and 2 after 4.0 secs. 

What we are all seeing with our eyes is true - Hurts holding onto the ball too long is primarily responsible for the sacks. 

Yep. No surprise. Even my wife who hates football commented on this last night. He holds onto the ball too damn long. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Too much information - save it for after the Super Bowl!  lol 

6 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

I'd be happy to keep Gainwell if he doesn't break the bank.  If so we need to shift a lot of carries to him and away from Saquon next year.

Yep, he's definitely grown on me this season - looks like a completely different back and plays hard out there.  Complements Barkley well, imo. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'd also add that guys like CMC and Jonathan Taylor had similar YPA's those years to Barkley this year. The only guy who really got his volume with the tough, slog yards was Derrick Henry whose some alien unicorn tank. 

I’d add with Derrick Henry in 2020 when he had all those carries and got 2000 yards the following year he was still super efficient. He was actually really good. But then he got hurt midway through the season. So even him being built like a tank did it withstand the injury the following year. 

Someone's feeling a little left out today

 

Waking up this morning knowing the Eagles are a game away from the Super Bowl

3 minutes ago, KINGnabb said:

 

Waking up this morning knowing the Eagles are a game away from the Super Bowl

Are those a-holes driving Mailata's Christmas present around??

10 minutes ago, MR-CYN said:

Do they have practices anymore during the week? What are they doing? Does Sirirani just watch Hurts hold the ball 10 seconds a snap for an hour practice and then say "great practice! guys"? I'd make him get the ball out in 2.5 seconds for an entire hour. Everyday. Every time he missed one the clock would start over again and nobody leaves the field until it's completed. What the hell do they do during the week? There's been literally no improvement in this area at all minus the start of games for a small moment. 

 

Yes

9 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

If you're talking about the slant, I remember the game coverage showing another play where the LB tried to bait Hurts into throwing the slant and would have been in position to intercept it.  Thankfully in that case Hurts didn't pull the trigger.  Perhaps defenses are scheming to take away that throw.

I didn't catch that comment.  I just remember thinking, "ok it was THAT easy on a huge play??"

 

8 minutes ago, KINGnabb said:

 

Waking up this morning knowing the Eagles are a game away from the Super Bowl

Seeing this makes me think Hurts isn't hurt too badly.  Hope so since we need his running threat.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

That puts him 18th for QBs.  Pretty much right where you'd expect him to be.  Plus he's probably going to drop a couple of spots most likely when Purdy and Donald get contracts.

And yet it’s still too high given his production. If he’s going to be a 180 passing yards per game guy, he should be paid backup money, not top 20 starter money.

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

We have $29M in dead cap and over $25M in void years.

According to OTC, Hurts' cap hit is 18th among QBs next year. 

Blaming Hurts' salary for losing FAs is like saying he was the only problem yesterday.

It’s a simple opportunity cost analysis. Just because there are other problems doesn’t mean that Hurts and his contract are not a problem.

4 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

I would actually give Hurts somewhere between a B- and a B given the circumstances, situational playcalling and dropped passes.  No turnovers, in blizzard like conditions, his TD run and a win in a divisional playoff game has to bump him to at least a B-.  Then add the other factors I mentioned, his performance was around a B, imo 

May as well bump it up to A because no one hands the ball off to Barkley the way Hurts does

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Feels spot on by Ray. 

The picture looks like Jalen doesn't even want to listen to moore