2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

I'm watching the game again now.  I'll post about what I see with Hurts and a bit on Stafford

1st quarter - He was very solid in the 1st quarter.  Had the long run, four or five nice short passes, and put a long ball right on the numbers to Smith who couldn't hold on with the big hit.  The lone sack was 100% on the OL.  Lane slipped and the entire pocket collapsed on him with nowhere to go.  Stafford was well short on his deep ball but the Ram WR made a great play and stole the ball from Rodgers.

There are going to be several bad plays for Hurts as the game proceeds but none in the 1st quarter.

Both Saquon long TDs were plays that were Hurts' audibles.

 

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

@HazletonEagle

 

2nd quarter - There was a sailed ball on 2nd and 8 from the 30yrd line with Brown open.  Next play Hurts waited too long and took a sack taking the Eagles out of FG range.  Becton was blown up but Hurts still had time to throw it away and give Elliott a shot.  This was a bad ending to a drive that was solid mixing in some Hurts runs and a short pass to Brown to convert a third down.  Couple of really nice drives pretty deep into Rams territory including the last one in the quarter from inside their own 10yrd line with some nice short passes and a Hurts scramble.  Neither drive resulted in pts.  Hurts failed to get the ball away and was sacked outside of FG range on the 1st one and then Brown's drop cost the Eagles on the 2nd one.  Hurts ended up getting sacked on a blitz over Becton that came completely free.  Not a Hurts sack and the Eagles were not in FG range.  Another sack on the final play but it didn't matter.

Hurts had one really bad play in the 1st half and that was when he waited too long and took a sack that took the Eagles out of FG range.  Otherwise, he was solid.

Another bad throw by Stafford which Rodgers nearly intercepted.  Otherwise, Stafford hit some nice short throws in rhythm.

 

All in all the Eagles really owned the first half and should have been up by 10pts.

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3rd quarter - Stafford gets a big catch by Kupp and the Rams move the ball inside the Eagles 10 1st and goal only to have Stafford fumble the ball as he wasn't able to reach the Ram RB for the handoff.  The Rams recover but it is a big loss and they are now outside the 15.  A mistake by Stafford that likely cost the Rams 4pts. The Eagles had two drives.  Nothing of interest happened in the 1st one.  Nothing good or bad by Hurts.  The 2nd one was a nice drive with some decent passing from Hurts.  He did have one really bad pass on a deep shot down the left sideline to Brown that should have been an INT.  Otherwise, it was a solid drive by the Eagles for a FG and Hurts was fine.  Really only the one bad pass.

The knee injury occurred with just over 3 mins to go in the quarter on a nice play by Hurts to nearly get back to the LOS and keep Elliott in FG range.  Up until that point, Hurts had two bad plays with one that should have been an INT and also had two deep shots that his WRs did not pull in.  His passing was minimal but effective at times and he had had a big game running.  Stafford made more throws and threw better in rhythm but also was lucky not to get picked two or three times and had the benefit of his WRs making two huge plays downfield.  Just after the Hurts' injury, Puka did drop one that would have given the Rams a first down.  However, the punt pinned the Eagles inside their five and resulted in the safety.

The safety was a really bad play by Hurts.  However, it must be pointed out that it occurred after the knee injury and he clearly couldn't move thereafter.  No excuse for Hurts but Moore needs to take some of the blame.  Did Moore not read Hurts and understand that Jalen wasn't going to be able to move?

A super close 16-15 game after three and the QBs were pretty much equally effective overall at that point with Hurts making the one turnover (not official turnover but close enough).

 

 

Both Saquon long TDs were plays that were Hurts' audibles.

8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I thought those accolades weren't released until after the season? He really got ROTY?

It's not announced yet but there's not even a close second. All the betting websites have him at -20,000

20 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Really good read on VR Training and Eagles and Hurts need to implement it 

 

 

It's very cool and is utilized across multiple industries.  That said, Hurts is firmly in "he is what he is" territory at this point.

Hurts is our best option right now and probably at least one more season, but he needs to be better. The Skins are playing very well and confident, especially on offense. Hurts can’t be taking 7 sacks and they need to get Brown and Smith the ball early. 

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I thought those accolades weren't released until after the season? He really got ROTY?

He went 13-5, had a great season and is a win away from the SB.

This is a no brainer

Jerry Jones would actually make a good decision by hiring Kellen Moore.

It's probably killing Jerry to see the Eagles make a deep playoff run.  So of course why not take the OC from them and make them start over again with a new OC.

Kellen Moore might not end up being a good HC but at least JJ will make the Eagles start over again on offense.

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's not announced yet but there's not even a close second. All the betting websites have him at -20,000

Well damn. Was hoping Mitchell got. Daniels has had a good season but he's not near the top of his position. Only thing that prevented Mitchell from getting all pro was likely not getting any picks throughout the season

Edit: forgot there are OROTY and DROTY

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Well damn. Was hoping Mitchell got. Daniels has had a good season but he's not near the top of his position. Only thing that prevented Mitchell from getting all pro was likely not getting any picks throughout the season

There's OROY and DROY. 

Mitchell still probably wont get DROY but it will be much closer. 

Just now, 315Eagles said:

Jerry Jones would actually make a good decision by hiring Kellen Moore.

It's probably killing Jerry to see the Eagles make a deep playoff run.  So of course why not take the OC from them and make them start over again with a new OC.

Kellen Moore might not end up being a good HC but at least JJ will make the Eagles start over again on offense.

I don't agree there.  You could fingerpaint our offensive playbook right now.  Everyone in the league knows what this offense can do, can't do, and how they have to adapt to that.  There is no magic to it.  Run, screen, run, RPO with Hurts keeping it, throw it 5 yards short of the sticks on 3rd and hope something good happens after the catch, tush push, throw one to AJ along the sidelines, repeat.

 

18 minutes ago, TEW said:

Stafford is a Super Bowl winner who has hit 5K passing yards in a season and routinely passed for 4K+.
 

If we had Stafford instead of Hurts we’d be a MUCH better team.

Stafford has a $46 million cap hit this season compared to $13.5 million for Hurts. So, which players are you getting rid of? You probably don't have Barkley on this team.

This is the thing people are having a hard time formulating. What is the alternative solution?

Hurts is a very limited passer and he is paid like one. He only takes up 5.2% of the cap space this year, 7.8% next season, and a whopping 11% in 2026. To compare to Jordan Love who had a cap hit of 7.8% this season, 10.3% next year, and 12.4% in 2026. Or Kyler Murray at 18.4% this season, 15.2% next season, and 18.4% in 2026.

The only way you are getting a better and cheaper QB is if they draft one high on their rookie deal or get lucky with with a Darnold/Mayfield redemption like season. Neither option is guaranteed.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There's OROY and DROY. 

Mitchell still probably wont get DROY but it will be much closer. 

Ah I forgot about that

Who is he competing against?

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Ah I forgot about that

Who is he competing against?

Verse will win it. 

On to the Commanders, what do you think is the best way to attack Daniel's while keeping him in the pocket?  I'm thinking rush 4 instead of blitzing, stay disciplined with contain and maybe have someone fast like Baun spy him.  Count on the front four to get pressure then be ready to fly when he breaks.

26 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

Yep, the sacks and especially the safety is what made the game bad. 

27 dropbacks and 65 net passing yards

I'm rewatching the game right now (halfway into the 4th quarter).  Hurts really only had one bad sack before he got injured.  I thought it was more but it wasn't.  He had a few bad plays but it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was watching it live yesterday.

8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Well damn. Was hoping Mitchell got. Daniels has had a good season but he's not near the top of his position. Only thing that prevented Mitchell from getting all pro was likely not getting any picks throughout the season

Daniels is the best QB in the NFCE and top 10 in the NFL.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't agree there.  You could fingerpaint our offensive playbook right now.  Everyone in the league knows what this offense can do, can't do, and how they have to adapt to that.  There is no magic to it.  Run, screen, run, RPO with Hurts keeping it, throw it 5 yards short of the sticks on 3rd and hope something good happens after the catch, tush push, throw one to AJ along the sidelines, repeat.

 

As much as Hurts has his flaws as a passer, I thought there was a strong possibility that if Moore came back next year as OC that the offense might open up some more and Hurts might be more comfortable in it, like in year 2 under Steichen.

If Moore leaves then it's gonna be OC  number 4 in 5 years for Hurts.

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Ah I forgot about that

Who is he competing against?

It's really just him and Jared Verse odds wise. Verse probably wins, Mitchell runner up.

2 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

On to throw Commanders, what do you think is the best way to attack Daniel's while keeping him in the pocket?  I'm thinking rush 4 instead of blitzing, stay disciplined with contain and maybe have someone fast like Baun spy him.  Count on the front four to get pressure then be ready to fly when he breaks.

Yes.  This is the key.  Don't let him run, particularly up the middle.  Fangio got burned last time so expect him to be ready this time.

Damn

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't agree there.  You could fingerpaint our offensive playbook right now.  Everyone in the league knows what this offense can do, can't do, and how they have to adapt to that.  There is no magic to it.  Run, screen, run, RPO with Hurts keeping it, throw it 5 yards short of the sticks on 3rd and hope something good happens after the catch, tush push, throw one to AJ along the sidelines, repeat.

 

Every week I hear about the "blueprint" to shutting us down is to load the box and force Hurts to beat you. Somehow it hasn't panned out for the other team though. So if you're right, everyone in the league knows how to stop the offense but they just decide not to. Maybe they'll decide to stop us next week, we'll just have to see I guess!

2 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

On to the Commanders, what do you think is the best way to attack Daniel's while keeping him in the pocket?  I'm thinking rush 4 instead of blitzing, stay disciplined with contain and maybe have someone fast like Baun spy him.  Count on the front four to get pressure then be ready to fly when he breaks.

Need to speed him up.

Wouldn't mind sending an extra blitzer at times or even a corner blitz.  Won't happen but can't let him sit back there.

They will only rush 4 at first but if Daniels is having his way then Fangio will need to throw some curveballs.

Rules folks, if Goedert had caught that screen behind the LOS would that eliminate any potential illegal man downfield? I saw someone blame Goedert for that reason, saying he should have stayed behind the LOS. 

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Damn

???

1 minute ago, wussbasket said:

Stafford has a $46 million cap hit this season compared to $13.5 million for Hurts. So, which players are you getting rid of? You probably don't have Barkley on this team.

This is the thing people are having a hard time formulating. What is the alternative solution?

Hurts is a very limited passer and he is paid like one. He only takes up 5.2% of the cap space this year, 7.8% next season, and a whopping 11% in 2026. To compare to Jordan Love who had a cap hit of 7.8% this season, 10.3% next year, and 12.4% in 2026. Or Kyler Murray at 18.4% this season, 15.2% next season, and 18.4% in 2026.

The only way you are getting a better and cheaper QB is if they draft one high on their rookie deal or get lucky with with a Darnold/Mayfield redemption like season. Neither option is guaranteed.

No one is saying to hop in a time machine and cut Hurts in August 2024.  $13.5m hit is nice and, as you said, enables us to have Barkley.

22/32/42 are his hits in the next 3 years.  And he's not close to worth that.

But again..what's the alternative?  I agree that there are problems with that.  I hate this QB draft and the window doesn't reliably open on even a great prospect until too late for this win-now team.  So throw that out there.  Banking on a Darnold/Mayfield situation...not likely.  I'd kick the tires on a few more prototypical talents who are infamously under fire right now...all of whom as getting strangulated on awful teams (Lawrence and Herbert).  That will almost certainly go no where, but tire kicking is free.

Honestly, the only way we end up with a QB upgrade is if Mckee is that guy, Hurts gets injured, their hand is forced to start Mckee for an extended period of time, and he never gives the job back.  I've been a Mckee fan since before the Eagles drafted him, think he has some great ingredients, and think he *could* be that guy.  But even I would never bet my own money or job security on it.  But that sequence is the only remotely conceivable scenario or pathway to a QB upgrade in the next 2 years.  So I would give Mckee a long look in camp.  I don't think anyone in that actual position, myself included, would have a big enough pair to actually risk their reputation and make that change after camp next year.  But I'd still give each a long look.

41 minutes ago, TEW said:

Stafford is a Super Bowl winner who has hit 5K passing yards in a season and routinely passed for 4K+.
 

If we had Stafford instead of Hurts we’d be a MUCH better team.

I like Stafford - he's had an exceptional career and finally won the ring he deserved.   That said, I'm not sure if you noticed but he has zero mobility in the pocket at his current age/stage of his career, etc. Our defense (and the reason we eventually won the game yesterday) was because of that.  As soon as our interior linemen had a chance to go after him, they did and with great results.

Everyone wants pocket passing QB's around here for whatever reason - quick delivery, timely decisions, accurate passing, etc - but once you can neutralize that aspect of the game - a non-mobile pocket passer become a sitting duck back there. 

The remaining 4 QB's playing championship games next weekend all have one thing in common - they have pocket mobility and the ability to extend plays if needed.  Do you think that's a coincidence?