6 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

There are a very few in here that are in denial and there is also some Kellen Moore talk but I think you are missing the angle that most of the moderates are taking which is to look at the entire body of QB play and not just the passing part AND doing that within the context of this particular team.  In the end of the day it is about winning and once the plan changed during the bye week the team has gone 14-1 and with the one loss being when Hurts was injured after playing only the first five minutes.

The scheme itself is no doubt dialed to suit what Hurts can and cannot do.  The big thing he can't do is quickly recognize the coverage and pull the trigger and he has not shown any capacity to consistently hit those curls, etc. in timing routes.  Compounding the issue is that he often holds the ball so long that it results in an unnecessary sack.  Those issues limit what the O can do in a significant way.

However, there are other parts of Hurts' game where he is quite effective.  For example, his deep ball is really really good and he can beat man coverage regularly with back shoulder passes and quick slants.  Further, his running ability, calm demeanor, and toughness/leadership are all strong positives.  He is also very good in the 4-min drill.  Packaging those skills together and limiting exposure to Hurts' weaker parts has been the key to success for the team.

Bottom line, Hurts has shown to be an excellent game manager by not turning the ball over and by keeping things singularly focused on what he does well, winning.

Feels like we're wasting a great WR duo that we've been wanting to have for many years

Disclaimer: it is great to have a RB that can lead the team to the SB

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Feels like we're wasting a great WR duo that we've been wanting to have for many years

that had to happen once the generational rb came.

if it begets a super bowl parade was it really wasted though?

3 minutes ago, Quiet Boy said:

that had to happen once the generational rb came.

if it begets a super bowl parade was it really wasted though?

well, it was happening before the generational RB came too.

depends on your definition of waste. Goal is super bowl, but those guys will be left out of the hall of fame because of pedestrian numbers when they could have been much more dominant with a different QB, and still won super bowls. 

The unfortunate thing is that its an either or thing right now. Thats why you can consider it wasted. It doesnt have to be an either or thing but with their QB, it is.

And, what if it doesnt beget a parade? Because it just wasnt quite good enough. The elite D, and run game... but we just needed to be able to pass the ball a little bit better. Then... those guys get nothing. 

2 minutes ago, Quiet Boy said:

that had to happen once the generational rb came.

if it begets a super bowl parade was it really wasted though?

Knew I should have added a disclaimer

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Of course they vary... Opinions are based on information gathering, and the person's ability to interpret it. The ability to gather and interpret information determines the validity of the opinion. When the validity is lacking based on a persons lack of skill, or bias in gathering or interpreting information, or both, those opinions dont necessarily need to be accepted. Its perfectly reasonable to try to help someone improve the validity of their opinion, and improve their process of opinion forming. 

Opinions are like friends.  They don’t need to be validated.  They just are.  Questioning their validity is the antithesis of friendship. 

Wasn't expecting him to go to Raiders

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Feels like we're wasting a great WR duo that we've been wanting to have for many years

Disclaimer: it is great to have a RB that can lead the team to the SB

The expression "can’t be all things to all people” comes to mind.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Wasn't expecting him to go to Raiders

It’s the Brady influence.

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Opinions are like friends.  They don’t need to be validated.  They just are.  Questioning their validity is the antithesis of friendship. 

nope. 

We all share our opinions. The discussion would end there if we couldnt break them down and discuss deeper. We dont just let them be. That is antithetical to the purpose of this very place.

3 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Super cautious

I really hope so… nothing seems to have leaked that there’s any reason to be super concerned… but missing 2 days in a row is a bit scary.

22 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

If we win it all this year, I wouldn’t be opposed to trading him for 2 1sts and a 3rd. Draft receiver high this year. 

It is a very meh WR class 

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I really hope so… nothing seems to have leaked that there’s any reason to be super concerned… but missing 2 days in a row is a bit scary.

It doesnt look super cautions to me.

It only makes sense to have guys practice out of position if theyll be playing out of position.

If it was caution, you leave Dickerson where he belongs, and let Nick Gates snape the ball in practice.

If they are going to be playing a man down, then you have to practice where you are going to play to get those reps to prepare for the game. Makes no sense to shift TWO players in the lineup if its just for precaution in practice. It DOES make sense to shift 2 players in the game because it gives you the best 5 OL on the field which is what you want.

To me, it looks like Jergens is not playing this week.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

To me, it looks like Jergens is not playing this week.

Oh man yeah I see what you are saying and yeah that’s concerning! Damn that’s not a good week to be without Jurgens given who they have at DT.

10 minutes ago, mattwill said:

The expression "can’t be all things to all people” comes to mind.

Well they can do better with the passing and still run the ball

22 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Of course they vary... Opinions are based on information gathering, and the person's ability to interpret it. The ability to gather and interpret information determines the validity of the opinion. When the validity is lacking based on a persons lack of skill, or bias in gathering or interpreting information, or both, those opinions dont necessarily need to be accepted. Its perfectly reasonable to try to help someone improve the validity of their opinion, and improve their process of opinion forming. 

...and yet you haven't bothered to answer the question as to what things you assert aren't true

10 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

...and yet you haven't bothered to answer the question as to what things you assert aren't true

Exceptionally few here will agree because nuance isnt accepted when breaking down Hurts, but his deep ball is overrated. The truth is he has WRs with elite tracking ability which is why the ball always looks perfect. Because they get to where its coming down. Really, he never hits them in stride with the ball out in front. They always have to slow down for it. Their elite adjustment to the ball makes his ball look elite. Its another example of players dragging him along. HE is not the winning player. The team is winning games. Hes along for the ride. Donovan McNabb threw a great deep ball. Hurts is not on that level.

You also said something about back shoudler throws and "regularly". Hurts NEVER throws back shoulder. You can probably count them on one hand over the course of his career. Maybe the accidental back shoulder is fresh in your mind from last week that AJ dropped. But Hurts doesnt put the ball there. Its not part of his game. 

Also, its already been discussed- hes not a good game manager. Game managers by definition dont make mistakes. You cant say hes a good game manager just because he isnt turning the ball over. A game manager cant be taking bad sacks so often. Or, he can... but that means he is not a GOOD game manager. He is a poor one until he minimizes the mistakes. A game manager also cant decrease his average depth of target so drastically. He has to take whats there, yes. But you also have to at least to an extend keep the defense honest. We hadnt seen Hurts throw deep for quite a while until last game. He was managing the game to such a level, its been detrimental. Game manager- maybe. Good one? Hell no.

 

IF you were to incorporate those truths in to your beliefs, youd basically be left with saying the only thing he does well is run the ball. I know you dont want to do that. 

This team is missing Stoll and then Uzamah in the run game.

Defenses are sending extra guys in from the edges and they are getting into the backfield early.

3 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Matt hasn’t done them since around week 4. 

Thanks for letting me know

39 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I backed off from recording the predictions due to family health reasons.  I m going to continue to refrain from doing them for the foreseeable future. 

Sorry to hear about the family health concerns. I hope it all works out for you brother.

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Thanks for letting me know

Its now a paid service. Ill accept predictions with $10 on Venmo. 

15 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

It is a very meh WR class 

Im not advocating for this idea but I would have to consider it if we win a Super Bowl. Maybe go after Amari Cooper for a reasonable price, draft TE and then look for depth at receiver in the later rounds this draft and the following. 

36 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Feels like we're wasting a great WR duo that we've been wanting to have for many years

AJ had over 1000yds and 7 TDs in 13 games

Devonta had 833yds and 8 TDs in 13 games

The team has won 14 of the last 15 and has a home NFC Championship game against a wild card team to go to their 2nd SB in 3 years.

Of course I wish they had more yards/TDs but I'm perfectly ok with what the WRs have been able to do this year given the context and there is no waste about it whatsoever.

1 minute ago, Khani1 said:

Im not advocating for this idea but I would have to consider it if we win a Super Bowl. Maybe go after Amari Cooper for a reasonable price, draft TE and then look for depth at receiver in the later rounds this draft and the following. 

Building the team around Barkley is trouble because you just dont know when the cliff, or the injury hits. Hard to imagine a fall off next year considering how dominant he is. But still, 1 injury away from having nothing left on offense if you deplete the WR talent.

3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

AJ had over 1000yds and 7 TDs in 13 games

Devonta had 833yds and 8 TDs in 13 games

The team has won 14 of the last 15 and has a home NFC Championship game against a wild card team to go to their 2nd SB in three years.

Of course I wish they had more yards/TDs but I'm perfectly ok with what the WRs have been able to do this year given the context and there is no waste about it whatsoever.

Those are impressive players without impressive numbers. Overall career numbers will be paltry compared to what they could/should have been. You may be ok with wasting their careers, but I really feel for those guys being stuck on this team. I hope they do at least get their super bowls, but thats far from guaranteed, and this QB not maximizing their talent only makes it less likely. Without super bowls, their careers will be extremely forgettable. 

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Exceptionally few here will agree because nuance isnt accepted when breaking down Hurts, but his deep ball is overrated. The truth is he has WRs with elite tracking ability which is why the ball always looks perfect. Because they get to where its coming down. Really, he never hits them in stride with the ball out in front. They always have to slow down for it. Their elite adjustment to the ball makes his ball look elite. Its another example of players dragging him along. HE is not the winning player. The team is winning games. Hes along for the ride. Donovan McNabb threw a great deep ball. Hurts is not on that level.

You also said something about back shoudler throws and "regularly". Hurts NEVER throws back shoulder. You can probably count them on one hand. Maybe the accidental back shoulder is fresh in your mind from last week that AJ dropped. But Hurts doesnt put the ball there. Its not part of his game. 

Also, its already been discussed- hes not a good game manager. Game managers by definition dont make mistakes. You cant say hes a good game manager just because he isnt turning the ball over. A game manager cant be taking bad sacks so often. Or, he can... but that means he is not a GOOD game manager. He is a poor one until he minimizes the mistakes. A game manager also cant decrease his average depth of target so drastically. He has to take whats there, yes. But you also have to at least to an extend keep the defense honest. We hadnt seen Hurts throw deep for quite a while until last game. He was managing the game to such a level, its been detrimental. Game manager- maybe. Good one? Hell no.

 

IF you were to incorporate those truths in to your beliefs, youd basically be left with saying the only thing he does well is run the ball. I know you dont want to do that. 

 

A lot wrong with this post.

First of all, the game manager's job is to win, period.  The entire point is that they do only what that they need to do to win given the team that they have.  That's the very nature of the role.  His W/L record speaks for itself.  Second, you are in the tiny tiny minority (does anyone else share your opinion on this one at all?  certainly not any of the neutral pundits) in saying Hurts doesn't have a nice deep ball.  I'll accept that you have a right to have that opinion but you are about the only one out there.

note: You left out the slants