7 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

From this list, Green and Lawson seem like the picks. Body type makes sense and they've done something-ish in the NFL. I'd for sure work them both out.

If we're talking pure outside rusher, I'd rather take my chances with Jalyx Hunt. But if Fangio wants to mix in those looks he had with BG, he's gotta look outside.

None of them are going to make an impact on every snap like 7 years ago or give you what they got with BG. They just need a body to take 15-30 snaps a game to give the other guys rest who won't look out of place vs the run IMO. If they can put some pressure here and there even better.For a few weeks they may even need two. Jackson will probably be one. They need another.

What's the deal with Frank Clark?  He's only 31. But I'm assuming there's a reason he's still on the streets. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Gotta give it to the O-Line as well - they were man handling The Rams D-Line and linebackers last night 

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

What's the deal with Frank Clark?  He's only 31. But I'm assuming there's a reason he's still on the streets. 

Wasn't producing 

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

What's the deal with Frank Clark?  He's only 31. But I'm assuming there's a reason he's still on the streets. 

He stinks and is a headcase 

25 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I might get killed for this but Saquon reminds me of Barry Sanders.  He's the closest thing I've seen to him.  Any hand off he gets is a threat to take it all the way.  

Nope.  Nothing to kill for here... he's not Sanders, but he's got those kinds of moves at his disposal.

26 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I might get killed for this but Saquon reminds me of Barry Sanders.  He's the closest thing I've seen to him.   Obviously hes bigger and a little taller maybe more powerful  but any hand off he gets is a threat to take it all the way.  

Let's not get crazy.

29 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I might get killed for this but Saquon reminds me of Barry Sanders.  He's the closest thing I've seen to him.   Obviously hes bigger and a little taller maybe more powerful  but any hand off he gets is a threat to take it all the way.  

He has the potential to be very close.  Needs another 3-4 "MVP like” seasons and he could very well be in the conversation. 

16 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

"and the HC needs to either approve the play call, or dictate the play call. "

I think you just described the dysfunction that this team doesn't need

Uh, no.  4th down, 7 seconds left on the clock in the first half at midfield isn't a 'normal' down.  It's a very specific situation, with a very specific set of good outcomes, and very specific bad set of outcomes.  If the OC doesn't understand the situation, or what the HC is thinking, then you have a problem.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

They added 3 elite players to the starting 11 as upgrades over guys that were awful. Not to take anything from Fangio, but turning 3 horrible starters into elite ones would transform almost any defense.

Lots of credit to Howie for manufacturing that in one off season.  Not to mention Dean stepping up is a huge bonus. CJGJ has been up and down this year but he’s still an upgrade.  

The additions of DeJean, Mitchell, Baun and CJGJ can't be understated but they lost Reddick and Cox.  One reason Fangio deserves a good part of the credit is that it wasn't a talent upgrade across the board.   

4 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

What's the deal with Frank Clark?  He's only 31. But I'm assuming there's a reason he's still on the streets. 

I think he's done, but who knows. Speaking of broken bodies people on X keep posting for JJ Watt who hasn't played since 2022. I mean...he did have 12 sacks, but I can't imagine how long it would take him to bulk up and get in playing shape. Fun to think about.

They are also calling for Fletch and kicking someone outside, which is also fun to think about, but he'd have to bulk up and get in shape as well.

Don't know if Boogie Basham offers much more than Tarron Jackson, but they both are pocket pushers who are solid against the run but aren't much of a threat as pass rushers.  Playing Hunt more might just be the way to go, at least you get to see what he can do.

4 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Don't know if Boogie Basham offers much more than Tarron Jackson, but they both are pocket pushers who are solid against the run but aren't much of a threat as pass rushers.  Playing Hunt more might just be the way to go, at least you get to see what can do.

Yeah, I think that's the best they can hope for unless Howie gets Watt out of retirement, which is unlikely, but that's fine. BG was smart and didn't get fooled often, so someone who doesn't get out of position vs the run and give the real pass rushing threats the ability to stay fresh works for me. Moving someone out on a few downs and getting another DT could be a smart move as well.

9 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Gotta give it to the O-Line as well - they were man handling The Rams D-Line and linebackers last night 

O-line and TE.  TEs were extensions of the line last night.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope.  Nothing to kill for here... he's not Sanders, but he's got those kinds of moves at his disposal.

Sanders didn't have this OL either (though Lomas Brown and Kevin Glover were great players in the seasons he ran behind them). 

If we're judging strictly by their home run threat ability, I'd probably go

1) Barry 

2) Chris Johnson

3) Barkley 

7 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Wasn't producing 

Most of these older guys weren't in a camp or kept on a PS... who knows what shape there in. 

4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I think he's done, but who knows. Speaking of broken bodies people on X keep posting for JJ Watt who hasn't played since 2022. I mean...he did have 12 sacks, but I can't imagine how long it would take him to bulk up and get in playing shape. Fun to think about.

They are also calling for Fletch and kicking someone outside, which is also fun to think about, but he'd have to bulk up and get in shape as well.

Let him play DE.  I'd be down for that.  Looking at the end of season/playoff run if you bring him back.

 

Lost in the Barkley performance was Hurts played maybe his best game last night. Took a bad sack but aside from that he was decisive.

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The additions of DeJean, Mitchell, Baun and CJGJ can't be understated but they lost Reddick and Cox.  One reason Fangio deserves a good part of the credit is that it wasn't a talent upgrade across the board.   

And he probably should get most of the credit on Baun.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Never liked anything he said more.

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, I think that's the best they can hope for unless Howie gets Watt out of retirement, which is unlikely, but that's fine. BG was smart and didn't get fooled often, so someone who doesn't get out of position vs the run and give the real pass rushing threats the ability to stay fresh works for me. Moving someone out on a few downs and getting another DT could be a smart move as well.

Could probably drop Baun down on the edge a bit, but that might be playing with fire.

9 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Let him play DE.  I'd be down for that.  Looking at the end of season/playoff run if you bring him back.

Yeah, they'd have 6 weeks of the RS and a week or two depending on the BYE. It's fun to think about as a distraction on a sad day to get my mind off BG even if a Cox or a Watt probably won't ever happen. Watt retired because his body and mind couldn't take a long season. Probably the same with Cox. 2-3 regular season games and a few weeks of the playoffs to chase another ring might entice them. Won't happen, but it's fun to dream a bit for a few hours. It's been a while since they won and I felt this sad. Probably 2018 and it worked out well. It's not the production it's the he deserved better than going out like that.

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Uh, no.  4th down, 7 seconds left on the clock in the first half at midfield isn't a 'normal' down.  It's a very specific situation, with a very specific set of good outcomes, and very specific bad set of outcomes.  If the OC doesn't understand the situation, or what the HC is thinking, then you have a problem.

And this started with you stating the last sequence, not the final play. So, you moved the goal posts. If it was just that play and such circumstances, not disagreement.

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The HC is responsible for managing the clock at the end of the half.   That's a "CEO" moment.   The 4th down play call isn't up to the OC, in terms of having carte blanche.   The goal for the play must be clearly stated to the OC before allowing for an offensive play call there, versus a punt.   The goal of the play has to be: 1 - kill the clock, the play MUST take 7 seconds.  2 - guaranteed to result in a first down.   And since option 2 isn't possible, then option 1 is the only option that remains... and the information shared to the QB must be that no matter what, this play has to take all 7 seconds off the clock, and the clock doesn't stop until the ball LANDS, even if its thrown into the 50th row of the stands.    And an intentional grounding call at that point isn't a worry, because the half can end on an OFFENSIVE penalty, it cannot end on a DEFENSIVE penalty.

 

So, yeah.. that's on the HC, because its ultimately HIS decision on how to handle the last seconds of the half.  And as 'CEO' HC, he shouldn't have tunnel vision about getting a first down, but be focused on the game strategy decisions.   Moore gets his share of the blame for a failure to execute, but the HC needs to be better at communicating what to do in that situation and what the goals are.

 

As for the idea that Hurts could scamper for 10 yards on 4th down... that ignores that that exact option just failed on 2nd down.   But, in the end, the decision to allow the OC to go for it on 4th down, with 7 seconds left in the half at midfield isn't up to the OC, its up to the HC.  And the HC needs to either approve the play call, or dictate the play call.  They were unprepared for what to do in that situation.  And that falls at the feet of the CEO.

You probably already touched on this at some point but even before that whole sequence, Nick was pretty bad with the clock. They sacked Stafford to bring up 3rd and 13 and had all their timeouts but didn't stop the clock letting the Rams milk out at least 30 seconds. Eagles end up getting the ball back with 26 seconds but could have had a minute and still would have 1 timeout left.