7 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Ok...again my post was about combining stats. I get it, fans are emotional after the game and want to bash Hurts. I feel like a post about the defense, coaching, refs, food or movies rn would get replies hating on Hurts. 🤣

I think the CAR offense deserves some flowers, as their OL for the most part blocked well, created a challenging run game and made the game a bit easier for their QB who showed a lot more promise than advertised.

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I don’t mind using the combined stats numbers but there should be an asterisk showing how many of Hurts’s rushing TDs come from the push. I’m not saying they don’t count, but it doesn’t add anything as far as judging him on his QB ability. That’s why it’s important to watch the games. Anyone who watches Allen play knows Hurts is not in his class. 

Guys, WHO is arguing that Hurts is as good as Allen other than like 2 delusional fans?

 

On 12/6/2024 at 12:31 PM, Arsenal79 said:

                                                                                                 

6 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Ok...again my post was about combining stats. I get it, fans are emotional after the game and want to bash Hurts. I feel like a post about the defense, coaching, refs, food or movies rn would get replies hating on Hurts. 🤣

                Hurts was awful.  Surely anybvody with two eyes coudl see that.  But Moore's gameplan was awful as was his playcalling.

I"m disappoitned in Moore.     In no way is he a top OC in the vein of Johnson or even Liam Coen in Tampa.  You can blame Hurts" limiations for Moore's mediocrity but a top OC should do better with the talent on this offense.  My God, a top OL, Barkley, Brown, Smith, Godert (when healthy).  They are greatly underperforming.

 

3 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Hurts has regressed. He is now a below average NFL QB.

I can't agree with this. While I do think he's regressed in a sense where his fear of turning the ball over has impacted his play... I just can't say he's below average after watching other teams

Sheesh

2 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I think the CAR offense deserves some flowers, as their OL for the most part blocked well, created a challenging run game and made the game a bit easier for their QB who showed a lot more promise than advertised.

The numbers don’t make it look that way but the panthers were really effective running the ball at times in this game. Particularly early in the game when Hubbard had close to 6.1 yards per carry. It eventually helped open things up in the pass game and thielen feasted. 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

I can't agree with this. While I do think he's regressed in a sense where his fear of turning the ball over has impacted his play... I just can't say he's below average after watching other teams

Do other teams qbs have a top notch oline, 2 stud WRs and the best rb/running game in the league at their disposal? A lot of qbs would look amazing in this offense. Hurts? Looks terrible every week 

5 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Guys, WHO is arguing that Hurts is as good as Allen other than like 2 delusional fans?

 

yup...I don't think  such a post exists...just the usual Sunday troll invasion from the usual rabble...can't wait for them to repeat their same tired lines tomorrow as well

4 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Sheesh

I like McDermott but if i were a bills fan and we came up short again, i want a new voice and coach. 

29 minutes ago, NOTW said:

That's simply not true though. Today alone he threw into tight coverage. He's done it all year. He's not been good enough as a passer, had a bad game today but these extremes of "he won't" or "never" usually aren't factual. He's thrown into tight coverage, made accurate throws, went past the first read, thrown to the middle of the field, led game winning drives including with passing, stayed in the pocket.

He's not doing it enough, he's not consistent enough and absolutely needs to play better though. 

An infinitely more reasoned view. Bravo.

Hurts only has 3 games this year throwing for more than 250 yards. No matter how you look at it, that isn’t good enough for the amount of money he’s making and the talent we have at receiver. We don’t need him to run the ball, we have the best RB in the NFL for that. He needs to be an effective passer, and he isn’t.

12 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Hurts has regressed. He is now a below average NFL QB.

I have been on him saying this was one of his worst games this year.

But there was some good in there. He was great in red zone and did have some big 3rd down conversions (the long pass to Devonte to set us in inside the 10, 35 yard scamper, pass to AJ on the last drive).

The issues are the bonheaded plays that he kills drives with and too often he is stuggling to get going on drives because he doesnt make the simple plays (they had what 3 drives again in the first half where they they went 3 and out or only got a single first down). 

3 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

He comes off so arrogant. 

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Every matchup is different, "any given Sunday" and all.  We destroyed the Rams and beat down the Ravens who had a garbage time TD. The Chiefs barely beat Panthers by 3 and the Bucs needed overtime against them. Every week is different. 

I really want to see how we play against the Steelers and then the final games. Are they focused, prepared, improved pass game, keep the intensity on defense? 

The Panthers are vastly improved overall over the past 4 weeks. I thought the 13.5 was ridiculous. 

Man that guy was wide open by a good 15 yards.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The numbers don’t make it look that way but the panthers were really effective running the ball at times in this game. Particularly early in the game when Hubbard had close to 6.1 yards per carry. It eventually helped open things up in the pass game and thielen feasted. 

Yeah, I think we started to play a heavy box and took our pass coverage a little out of their comfort zone.

The points aren’t great but they were relying on a grizzled vet and a rookie as their big play threats. All in all, you had two teams focused on the run and consequently a shortened game where a lot of scoring was doubtful without a really efficient showing.

52 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Impressive how the Rams just beat maybe the best team in the NFL. 

I have no idea what to make of our team. I was feeling so great up until today. Now both the offense AND the defense looked bad, and the sounds from the locker room sound like they are damn near a collapse like happened last year. Hurts point fingers, WRs pointing fingers back, Mailata sounded upset as well in his locker room interview. 

If they play like this again they can lose all of their remaining games.

I can’t handle another implosion from this team. Luckily I don’t think that’s where it’s teetering right now. They’ve had quality wins against quality teams, and ugly wins do happen. I think there could be just a little PTSD since this game is so reminiscent of a win from last year. 
 

Hopefully they can get it together, couple tough games ahead of them before the postseason.  

43 minutes ago, NOTW said:

 

 

So...now it's ok to combine rush stats with passing stats? 🤔 🤣

This is not a defense of Hurts, and Allen is playing great. Just about the combining stats issue. 

Allen had 342 pass yards and 3 pass TDs. 82 rush yards, 3 rush TDs. Total yards 424, 6 TDs. 

Allen is great, Hurts sucks, yadda yadda I get it. But it's hypocritical to combine stats for others if you don't like it when people do it for Hurts.

I don't really care, but it's asinine when people use that to try and say they're the same. They aren't. They aren't in the same conversation.

I think they said today that like 42 of Hurts' rushing TDs were tush pushes. Sure they count, but it's why his "total TDs" are a bit misleading to people.

4 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Yeah, I think we started to play a heavy box and took our pass coverage a little out of their comfort zone.

The points aren’t great but they relying on a grizzled vet and a rookie as their big play threats. All in all, you had two teams focused on the run and consequently a shortened game where a lot of scoring was doubtful without a really efficient showing.

I think another aspect that needs to get talked about is that guys like dejean and Mitchell have not played this many games and snaps. They are rookies. We haven’t had a bye week since week five. That’s really early in the season. One of the reasons why I really hope the one seed is decided in week 17 is so that we could rest some guys. Cause I think what’s gonna happen over the next couple weeks is some of these guys are going to need to get a second wind. And a week 18 bye would really help us if we are stuck in the 2 seed 

13 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I can't agree with this. While I do think he's regressed in a sense where his fear of turning the ball over has impacted his play... I just can't say he's below average after watching other teams

We have great offensive talent and yet we are bottom 5 in passing offense. Hurts is doing less with more.

They threw 2 flags to make sure on 3rd and long.  Good job chiefs 

59 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Impressive how the Rams just beat maybe the best team in the NFL. 

I have no idea what to make of our team. I was feeling so great up until today. Now both the offense AND the defense looked bad, and the sounds from the locker room sound like they are damn near a collapse like happened last year. Hurts point fingers, WRs pointing fingers back, Mailata sounded upset as well in his locker room interview. 

If they play like this again they can lose all of their remaining games.

The defense is what will protect this team from a collapse like last season. It’s infinitely better than last year’s team and even though it wasn’t a great outing for them today, they still only gave up 16 points. They’ve shifted our expectations to make us think that they played poor today when in the grand scheme of things it wasn’t terrible. 
 

The offense on the other hand is concerning. This passing game is, for the most part, the same as last year. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think another aspect that needs to get talked about is that guy like dejean and Mitchell have not played this many games and snaps. They are rookies. We haven’t had a bye week since week five. That’s really early in the season. One of the reasons why I really hope the one seed is decided in week 17 is so that we could rest some guys. Cause I think what’s gonna happen over the next couple weeks is some of these guys are going to need to get a second wind. And a week 18 bye would really help us if we are stuck in the 2 seed 

Sure - they are young guys but the grind can be as much mental as physical.

On the other hand JC was looking a bit worn down - the last couple of games of playing maximum snaps might have started to tell.

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The defense is what will protect this team from a collapse like last season. It’s infinitely better than last year’s team and even though it wasn’t a great outing for them today, they still only gave up 16 points. They’ve shifted our expectations to make us think that they played poor today when in the grand scheme of things it wasn’t terrible. 
 

The offense on the other hand is concerning. This passing game is, for the most part, the same as last year. 

Tbh this game today felt like the chiefs game in the fact we won close but really we probably were super fortunate that legette dropped a wide open pass just like MVS did. 

My latest rambling on Hurts:

He is to be commended for what he has turned his career into.  Coming out of college, scouts actually asked him at the combine if he’d be willing to change positions.  6’ QB with a below average arm who was very raw and unreliable as a drop back passer.  Those are often late round picks.

And as he generally looked bad and not that promising for the first 2 years of his career, the apologists raved about his intangibles and work ethic.  And I think they were right.  A guy with below average raw talent for the position and well below average refinement (who literally was coached up by 2 of the best offensive minds in the NCAA and was still raw)…he worked his ass off and…combined with the seemingly irrational patience and willingness to commit to him from the Eagles….he worked his way into an above average long term starting QB in the NFL despite everything he had going against him entering the league.  The total productivity level isn’t bad at all.  

But I do believe he is really, really holding this offense back.  Field vision / progressions…not good.  Decision making…inconsistent.  While he can make almost all the throws if he steps into them, he’s not decisive or comfortable enough in the pocket to step into throws.  So the arm strength and slick release for off balance throws and throws on the run just are not there.  I don’t think any of these things are going to change at this point.  We’ll always have a simplified offense.  People will complain about the route concepts, but Hurts isn’t comfortable throwing all over the field.  So you balance decoy routes with routes that will get the OC criticized.  In a way, we’ve been through 5 different pro coaches taking the reins with Hurts.  Pederson (fired), Siri (backed off and passed it on to OC), Steichen, Johnson, and Moore.  If Hurts had developed faster and more reliably as a passer, we wouldn’t have had that revolving door of coaches trying to figure him out.  Everyone tries to turn him into a passer, and every time we end up backing off the pass and reverting into the same offense, which is just the best way to move the football and win with him.

We are bucking the trend here trying to win the Super Bowl with a big time defense, a running offense, and an unreliable pass attack.  We are enjoying the ride, for sure, but it’s going to take a lot of luck to get to the destination with such a non-traditional team.  Additionally, we can’t maintain that big time defense and running offense beyond this year while paying QB1/WR1/WR2 what we are paying them.  So concessions will need to be made.