3 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Sure - they are young guys but the grind can be as much mental as physical.

On the other hand JC was looking a bit worn down - the last couple of games of playing maximum snaps might have started to tell.

Tbh if the lions beat the bills next week and bears the following week, we are very unlikely to catch the lions for the top spot. Once we secure the 2 seed, I’d start easing up on some of the snaps for guys like Carter. 

Premise: Both Hurts and Moore were bad overall today.

But this is the play I want to highlight.

Drive 2, play. 2nd & 4. 8th total play of the game.

Look at what Carolina is doing (what they did all game) by playing the CBs 10 yards deep. Hurts sees this and tries to throw to... no one? 

I don't know who is at fault there. But something is broken, because Moore-Sirianni/Hurts are just not working together and I don't know how to fix that.

Did we even run a play-action under center run today?

12 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Hurts only has 3 games this year throwing for more than 250 yards. No matter how you look at it, that isn’t good enough for the amount of money he’s making and the talent we have at receiver. We don’t need him to run the ball, we have the best RB in the NFL for that. He needs to be an effective passer, and he isn’t.

This is a good point.  We need Hurts to run because he’s ineffective throwing the football.  His ability to run does provide an option that defenses need to account for…and that helps.

But you said it best.  We already have the best RB in the NFL.  Gainwell is underrated by Eagles fans and effective in his usage.  Shipley is probably underutilized and would be a nice spark out there too.  We don’t need Hurts to run.  

We need Hurts to tuck and run when he drops back to pass because he’s not passing with enough volume and we need something else to compensate.  

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

Premise: Both Hurts and Moore were bad overall today.

But this is the play I want to highlight.

Drive 2, play. 2nd & 4. 8th total play of the game.

Look at what Carolina is doing (what they did all game) by playing the CBs 10 yards deep. Hurts sees this and tries to throw to... no one? 

I don't know who is at fault there. But something is broken, because Moore-Sirianni/Hurts are just not working together and I don't know how to fix that.

Did we even run a play-action under center run today?

On that play smith was wide open for an easy pitch and catch for a first down. Jalen looks right at him and pulls it down. This was before any olineman got outside of a 1 yard down field. 

8 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Sure - they are young guys but the grind can be as much mental as physical.

On the other hand JC was looking a bit worn down - the last couple of games of playing maximum snaps might have started to tell.

With the 1 seed potentially out of reach soon, and 2 potentially locked down just as soon, he should be on a pitch count for Dallas and likely will sit versus the Giants.

Saquon only had 20 touches today, so that's a plus?

Move up and draft Milroe

2 hours ago, Damanick10 said:

Hurts post game interview is awful. No accountability 

 

Huh?

 

 

 

 

Right now…on any critical 3rd or 4th and 3-5 yards to go…it feels like Hurts is looking at running lanes to see if he can tuck and run preferentially over figuring out a throw.  The more important the situation, the more he wants to trust his legs and not his arm.

Chiefs fans have a lot of nerve chanting, "refs you suck."

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Saquon only had 20 touches today, so that's a plus?

Goal should now be 15 against Commanders and Cowboys unless Eagles win and Lions lose next week.  JMO.

The entire chances of a successful SB run rest on Barkley’s shoulders.  Burning him out for a rushing title, MVP title, or a 5% chance of a bye just isn’t worth it.

19 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Hurts only has 3 games this year throwing for more than 250 yards. No matter how you look at it, that isn’t good enough for the amount of money he’s making and the talent we have at receiver. We don’t need him to run the ball, we have the best RB in the NFL for that. He needs to be an effective passer, and he isn’t.

Because he isn't an effective passer I'm OK with him running at times when needed.  

If it's 3rd and 7 and he has a chance to pick it up with his legs, I'd rather he do that then pass it.

To me I've noticed the longer the play takes for him to decide where to go with it, the more likely he is to make a poor decision.  He plays better when he can get the ball out fairly quickly.

Not only did you get penalized you got herbert killed too. 

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

My latest rambling on Hurts:

He is to be commended for what he has turned his career into.  Coming out of college, scouts actually asked him at the combine if he’d be willing to change positions.  6’ QB with a below average arm who was very raw and unreliable as a drop back passer.  Those are often late round picks.

And as he generally looked bad and not that promising for the first 2 years of his career, the apologists raved about his intangibles and work ethic.  And I think they were right.  A guy with below average raw talent for the position and well below average refinement (who literally was coached up by 2 of the best offensive minds in the NCAA and was still raw)…he worked his ass off and…combined with the seemingly irrational patience and willingness to commit to him from the Eagles….he worked his way into an above average long term starting QB in the NFL despite everything he had going against him entering the league.  The total productivity level isn’t bad at all.  

But I do believe he is really, really holding this offense back.  Field vision / progressions…not good.  Decision making…inconsistent.  While he can make almost all the throws if he steps into them, he’s not decisive or comfortable enough in the pocket to step into throws.  So the arm strength and slick release for off balance throws and throws on the run just are not there.  I don’t think any of these things are going to change at this point.  We’ll always have a simplified offense.  People will complain about the route concepts, but Hurts isn’t comfortable throwing all over the field.  So you balance decoy routes with routes that will get the OC criticized.  In a way, we’ve been through 5 different pro coaches taking the reins with Hurts.  Pederson (fired), Siri (backed off and passed it on to OC), Steichen, Johnson, and Moore.  If Hurts had developed faster and more reliably as a passer, we wouldn’t have had that revolving door of coaches trying to figure him out.  Everyone tries to turn him into a passer, and every time we end up backing off the pass and reverting into the same offense, which is just the best way to move the football and win with him.

We are bucking the trend here trying to win the Super Bowl with a big time defense, a running offense, and an unreliable pass attack.  We are enjoying the ride, for sure, but it’s going to take a lot of luck to get to the destination with such a non-traditional team.  Additionally, we can’t maintain that big time defense and running offense beyond this year while paying QB1/WR1/WR2 what we are paying them.  So concessions will need to be made.

He’s been an overachiever in every part of his football career and that’s a testament to his work ethic and toughness. The frustrating part of the whole thing to me is that this is probably the most talented roster this team has had in 30 years of me following the team. We begged for years to get McNabb help. The same with Wentz. They now have it at pretty much every position on offense but now the QB is the biggest problem. It’s like a sick joke. 
 

I don’t think that there is any reasonable fan who is rooting against Hurts. But we’re at the scary point with him now where most are concerned whether they want to admit it to themselves or not. The window will not stay open forever. 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Right now…on any critical 3rd or 4th and 3-5 yards to go…it feels like Hurts is looking at running lanes to see if he can tuck and run preferentially over figuring out a throw.  The more important the situation, the more he wants to trust his legs and not his arm.

This wouldn't bother me so much if Sirianni wasn't coaching scared.

Running 3rd and 5 to set up 4th and 2? Sure. 
But the coach is punting/kicking FGs so it has to be completion or else. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bettor-cashes-historic-3-1-million-wager-on-eagles-to-beat-panthers-after-carolina-nearly-pulled-off-upset/

Imagine how this dude felt when it looked like Legette caught the game winning TD for a split second.

4 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

He’s been an overachiever in every part of his football career and that’s a testament to his work ethic and toughness. The frustrating part of the whole thing to me is that this is probably the most talented roster this team has had in 30 years of me following the team. We begged for years to get McNabb help. The same with Wentz. They now have it at pretty much every position on offense but now the QB is the biggest problem. It’s like a sick joke. 
 

I don’t think that there is any reasonable fan who is rooting against Hurts. But we’re at the scary point with him now where most are concerned whether they want to admit it to themselves or not. The window will not stay open forever. 

That to me is the biggest worry. Your window is probably 2 to 3 years. you’re not gonna be able to re-sign all these guys. And some of these guys are in the midst of their prime and by then who knows. The time to do it is now. We have to get better quarterback play and better job by our offensive coordinator. If we are still having the same problems with the passing game (and first quarter woes) in a couple of weeks, it is who we are and i don’t think it’s fixable at that point. Have a hard time seeing us win 4 playoff games and having to go to Detroit with a passing game that’s bottom 10 in the league. 

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

Premise: Both Hurts and Moore were bad overall today.

But this is the play I want to highlight.

Drive 2, play. 2nd & 4. 8th total play of the game.

Look at what Carolina is doing (what they did all game) by playing the CBs 10 yards deep. Hurts sees this and tries to throw to... no one? 

I don't know who is at fault there. But something is broken, because Moore-Sirianni/Hurts are just not working together and I don't know how to fix that.

Did we even run a play-action under center run today?

 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

On that play smith was wide open for an easy pitch and catch for a first down. Jalen looks right at him and pulls it down. This was before any olineman got outside of a 1 yard down field. 

Hurts was supposed to throw to Devonta it looks but 36 for Carolina is there in his line of sight. I'd imagine that's why he didn't throw it.  

He still could have pitched it to Barkley, Smith blocks 36 and Saquon picks up at least 5.

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

 

Hurts was supposed to throw to Devonta it looks but 36 for Carolina is there in his line of sight. I'd imagine that's why he didn't throw it.  

He still could have pitched it to Barkley, Smith blocks 36 and Saquon picks up at least 5.

If that's supposed to be a throw to Devonta, then I have zero idea what Johnny Wilson is doing because he doesn't try to block. The route distribution makes no sense.

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

He’s been an overachiever in every part of his football career and that’s a testament to his work ethic and toughness. The frustrating part of the whole thing to me is that this is probably the most talented roster this team has had in 30 years of me following the team. We begged for years to get McNabb help. The same with Wentz. They now have it at pretty much every position on offense but now the QB is the biggest problem. It’s like a sick joke. 
 

I don’t think that there is any reasonable fan who is rooting against Hurts. But we’re at the scary point with him now where most are concerned whether they want to admit it to themselves or not. The window will not stay open forever. 

Yup.

Slay, Nolan Smith, CJGJ, Blankenship, Sweat, Dotson.

Those are the non-QB starters on this team that are not playing close to a probowl level.  Everyone else is either there or isn’t far off.  And of those names, I’d argue that all but Dotson are actually pretty good starters.  I guess we could add Devonta Smith to this list, who is in the midst of a pedestrian at best season…but there may be other reasons for that…

It’s absurd how good the starters are on this team.

Hurts is too scared to throw a pick.

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Goal should now be 15 against Commanders and Cowboys unless Eagles win and Lions lose next week.  JMO.

The entire chances of a successful SB run rest on Barkley’s shoulders.  Burning him out for a rushing title, MVP title, or a 5% chance of a bye just isn’t worth it.

Burning him out? I think people are just scared when they don't need to be

Does anyone on Twitter ever analyze what kind of routes the WRs are running? 

Seems like it's mostly slants and comebacks. 

 

3 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

 

Hurts was supposed to throw to Devonta it looks but 36 for Carolina is there in his line of sight. I'd imagine that's why he didn't throw it.  

He still could have pitched it to Barkley, Smith blocks 36 and Saquon picks up at least 5.

I screenshot it a little late. He looks at smith. I’m guessing he knows where smith’s route is going and stopping. It should’ve been thrown with anticipation as the db wasn’t getting to smith  off 8 yards and i don’t think the DE was making a play on that ball if he does 

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not only did you get penalized you got herbert killed too. 

Is he out? I saw the hit and it looked like he just got the wind knocked out of him