2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm going to upset and trigger some but Wentz would have crazy stats with this team

Not the current guy, but pre 2020 .... yeah, probably.

One way to help jumpstart the passing game -- it seems to run best when we spread people out and go tempo. Jalen is always solid in the 2 minute drill (we have scored the most points in the last 2 minutes of the 1st half). I'd like to see them come out against Pitt that way, go right into tempo and try and get a rhythm going.

20 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Eh. He's been vocal before and they ended up just forcing the ball to him to keep him happy.

Just in time for the fantasy playoffs!  

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Not the current guy, but pre 2020 .... yeah, probably.

Wentz was never the same after the Clowney hit and the drafting of Hurts. Those 2 things broke him. There's a reason he didn't work in Indy or Washington.

23 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Yes.  That is point of consistency.  One good rep, one bad rep is not consistent.  You can't trust that.  As to the stats you posted with time to throw, I suspect that the RPO skews that with the time taken to make the read and make the decision to pass.

I am not saying Hurts doesn't share blame.  He absolutely should have hit that pass to AJ.  No excuses.  

What I am saying that the criticism that it is all Hurts fault is extremely myopic.  He needs to play better period.  The coaches have to scheme better, the OL needs to block better.  All can be true.

Why would an RPO skew time to throw to be higher? It’s a read and throw. The ball has to get out before you get called for a linemen down field. If anything it would skew the time to throw to look lower than it actually was.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Not the current guy, but pre 2020 .... yeah, probably.

I thought that was obvious in my post. I'll edit it

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If he plays better than Hurts has been, it wouldn't matter who the QB is that does it.  Controversy will follow.  The folks who have been around might remember that there was a movement for AJ Feeley in 2002 when McNabb broke his ankle.

Well, that’s my point.  I don’t think Pickett would play anywhere near as good as Hurts has played this season (as a whole). 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Why would an RPO skew time to throw to be higher? It’s a read and throw. The ball has to get out before you get called for a linemen down field. If anything it would skew the time to throw to look lower than it actually was.

Exactly this. He holds the ball too damn long...don't know exactly why, but his time to throw is atrocious. To then blame the protection is laughable.

30 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

 

Hurts is quite clearly the bottleneck to this offense.

Howie has to do something about this in the offseason. At the very least, QB2 needs to be a high draft pick with starter potential or a proven vet.

I’m not sure what the Eagles think of McKee, but if they’re not convinced he has starter potential I would look to replace him as well.

This team is too talented to be held back by a QB who refuses to throw deep and can’t move to his second read in the pocket.

27 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Yes.  That is point of consistency.  One good rep, one bad rep is not consistent.  You can't trust that.  As to the stats you posted with time to throw, I suspect that the RPO skews that with the time taken to make the read and make the decision to pass.

I am not saying Hurts doesn't share blame.  He absolutely should have hit that pass to AJ.  No excuses.  

What I am saying that the criticism that it is all Hurts fault is extremely myopic.  He needs to play better period.  The coaches have to scheme better, the OL needs to block better.  All can be true.

All CAN be true....but they are not.  There are enough open receivers and clean pockets for a quarterback to be more productive in this offense.  Period.  Deal with it.

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Yea I doubt he gets pro bowl because majority wont hear his name to vote but since all pro isn't done by fans he should get in

You think he is a top 4 CB in the league? 

40 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

 

Not sure to be happy about out O-Line giving Hurts all day to throw or to be upset at the fact that Hurts missed a wide open AJ Brown for a long TD.

I’m hoping it was just yesterday thing and it doesn’t become an issue going forward, but if legette doesn’t drop a TD pass from Bryce young, the panthers would’ve went 98 yards in 2 mins and 6 seconds. That’s stuff that we saw against Atlanta earlier in the season and at the end of last year where they couldn’t get off the field against Seattle and Arizona. Credit to the defense cause after that they were able to do the job and get off the field.

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Well, that’s my point.  I don’t think Pickett would play anywhere near as good as Hurts has played this season (as a whole). 

Did you watch Feeley in 2002?  He wasn't playing "well".

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m hoping it was just yesterday thing and it doesn’t become an issue going forward, but if legette doesn’t drop a TD pass from Bryce young, the panthers would’ve went 98 yards in 2 mins and 6 seconds. That’s stuff that we saw against Atlanta earlier in the season and at the end of last year where they couldn’t get off the field against Seattle and Arizona. Credit to the defense cause after that they were able to do the job and get off the field.

As good as any defense is nowadays - at the end of the day they are still human  and even the best defense in the NFL will give up a play (or huge play) from time to time. 

Hmm careful all you guys talking about Hurts, ppl will call you an idiot and stupid on here for doing so. He’s not to be criticized and he is the perfect qb. He’s just as good as Allen. You’re dumb for thinking otherwise 

9 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Again, the plays are there to be had. Sirianni can't also throw the football for Hurts. 

A lot of players can have a flukey good year. It happens all of the time. Look at Sam Darnold.

I'm not saying he's the only one to blame, but IMO he's far and away the main culprit.

He's missing plays and not playing well. He's not the only QB who misses plays though. Every QB does every week.

 

16 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

So, you're saying Dak propped up a subpar OC for years in DAL and turned pee into champagne to create a top5 offense every season??

Who knew Dak was underpaid ........ ??

Not necessarily that Moore doesn't know what he's doing, but just that he may be doing a bad job here. That doesn't mean that he sucked in Dallas or was a fraud. Maybe with the talent he has here and with this QB, he just isn't scheming offense well. Or maybe it has nothing to do with Moore and Sirianni still has way more influence than we'd hope. Again, a variety of factors, too many to put 90% of it on Hurts. I think like anything else in sports, it's a combination of things.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Did you watch Feeley in 2002?  He wasn't playing "well".

I remember he came in and looked decent at first but eventually "fell off” later on.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m hoping it was just yesterday thing and it doesn’t become an issue going forward, but if legette doesn’t drop a TD pass from Bryce young, the panthers would’ve went 98 yards in 2 mins and 6 seconds. That’s stuff that we saw against Atlanta earlier in the season and at the end of last year where they couldn’t get off the field against Seattle and Arizona. Credit to the defense cause after that they were able to do the job and get off the field.

I think the defense played very well yesterday. 16 points. 302 yards. They did what they scheme to do - make teams move methodically down the field.  They only gave up two plays over 20 yards.  It just so happened that Carolina seemed to make every toss-up play to maintain a handful of drives.

What this team does lack is an edge rusher that can ruin late game drives.  They do get pressure as a group.  But what we had in Reddick is missing. 

3 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

Hmm careful all you guys talking about Hurts, ppl will call you an idiot and stupid on here for doing so. He’s not to be criticized and he is the perfect qb. He’s just as good as Allen. You’re dumb for thinking otherwise 

This isn't anywhere close to the blind defending I see on facebook lol

23 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Sirianni is a constant.

Again, if Hurts can't run a functional passing offense, why was it really good in 2022? All I know is since Steichen left it hasn't been the same, but no one wants to acknowledge the possibility that he was just really good and maybe the two OCs since simply aren't that good. And Hurts isn't playing well enough on top of it.

He needs everything to be perfect to function correctly. It can't be people got a book on Hurts after that year. People are open and he can't process. After this many years of playing that's on him.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m hoping it was just yesterday thing and it doesn’t become an issue going forward, but if legette doesn’t drop a TD pass from Bryce young, the panthers would’ve went 98 yards in 2 mins and 6 seconds. That’s stuff that we saw against Atlanta earlier in the season and at the end of last year where they couldn’t get off the field against Seattle and Arizona. Credit to the defense cause after that they were able to do the job and get off the field.

In the modern NFL it’s going to happen sometimes. QBs are too good and the rules are too biased.

As long as it’s not a given like it was last season I think we’re good.

12 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Well, that’s my point.  I don’t think Pickett would play anywhere near as good as Hurts has played this season (as a whole). 

Pickett doesn't have the physical talent, but if you swapped with the Vikings, Bucs, Packers, Lions, or Rams this offense would be functioning a lot better and not all of them are as talented as Hurts. They can actually make decisions and see the field, though. 

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I think the defense played very well yesterday. 16 points. 302 yards. They did what they scheme to do - make teams move methodically down the field.  They only gave up two plays over 20 yards.  It just so happened that Carolina seemed to make every toss-up play to maintain a handful of drives.

What this team does lack is an edge rusher that can ruin late game drives.  They do get pressure as a group.  But what we had in Reddick is missing. 

And to be fair, 7 points for Carolina came after a fluke 4th down conversion when Thielen caught the batted pass from Jalen Carter. They gave up too many rushing yards and missed tackles (especially on Young), but they did their job when it counted. They haven't given up more than 17 points in non-garbage time since the bye (20 overall since JAX scored a TD on a fumble return). 

I get what they are doing on offense -- don't turn it over, be hyper conservative, win it with defense. But there are big plays to be had.

9 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I think the defense played very well yesterday. 16 points. 302 yards. They did what they scheme to do - make teams move methodically down the field.  They only gave up two plays over 20 yards.  It just so happened that Carolina seemed to make every toss-up play to maintain a handful of drives.

What this team does lack is an edge rusher that can ruin late game drives.  They do get pressure as a group.  But what we had in Reddick is missing. 

I was specifically just going to the last drive. I’d agree with you about the other parts of the game. But that last drive they had chances prior to that legette drop to make a play and get off the field. I think if legette makes that catch we are feeling much different about the defense today after they’d have gone 98 yards in 2 mins and probably having more flashbacks to earlier in the season where Atlanta just marched down the field at ease with the game on the line and like last year with Seattle/az.

to the second part, I am 100% agree. I said it a couple weeks after the bye when they got rolling. I would be very surprised if the Eagles do not acquire a big-time pass rusher in some capacity. You can see that if this team had that guy this defense it can achieve another level which is pretty amazing considering since the bye they’ve been a top 3 defense