4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I know a TD is a TD, but I have a hard time including the 1 yard tush push in to Hurts being a great QB.

He has 16 passing TDs through 13 games, putting him on pace for 21 TDs. From a throwing standpoint, that's game manager level. 

You can’t just go by passing stats when it comes to Hurts.
 

 He’s one of the strongest QB’s in the NFL and the ONLY one that can run that play at an 80-90% success rate.  No other QB in the NFL has that type of success on goal line QB draws - so OF course he gets credit for those TD’s. 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

3+’TD’s by Hurts, another 1-2 by Barkley, add a FG or two - with our defense, I like our chances anywhere 

DET only gives up 18 points per game, the exact same as the Eagles.  Other teams have defenses, too.

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

You can’t just go by passing stats when it comes to Hurts.
 

 He’s one of the strongest QB’s in the NFL and the ONLY one that can run that play at an 80-90% success rate.  No other QB in the NFL has that type of success on goal line QB draws - so OF course he gets credit for those TD’s. 

Is Hurts a quarterback or is he a runningback?

Just now, Alphagrand said:

DET only gives up 18 points per game, the exact same as the Eagles.  Other teams have defenses, too.

They’re a really good team, the current NFC favorites so no one is taking that away from them.  
 

I just like our chances against anyone IF we are playing at 100% on both offense and defense. 
 

I still don’t think we’ve seen this team at 100% on both sides of the ball yet - and that’s scary. (Hopefully they wake up and get their ——- together and make it happen)

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

You can’t just go by passing stats when it comes to Hurts.
 

 He’s one of the strongest QB’s in the NFL and the ONLY one that can run that play at an 80-90% success rate.  No other QB in the NFL has that type of success on goal line QB draws - so OF course he gets credit for those TD’s. 

I understand, I also look at the success of the tush push and give credit to the OL. The pieces may have changed, but the coach and technique hasn't. Carson Wentz was just as effective at converting 4th and 1. The Eagles are just elite at running the play. 

Yes, he gets credit for those TDs, but they do NOT make him a better QB. That's my opinion. I'm looking at a QB who has 2 of the best WR in the NFL, supposedly a top TE in the NFL and is struggling to hit 150 yards and is on pace for 20 passing TDs. 

From a throwing standpoint, Hurts is putting up game manager numbers. 

 

Just now, hukdonfoniks said:

Is Hurts a quarterback or is he a runningback?

Bro that went out of style 2 years ago when he took us to the Super Bowl and played lights out.  
 

Get in your Time Machine and come on over to 2024.

4 hours ago, Parrot Head said:

A comment I was going to make after the game, before the stupidity ensued....the coaches have leaned too far in to the running game.

I get why with how great Saquon has been, but this has always been one of Sirrianis issues. He doesn't really understand subtlety. When something works, he SPAMS the F out of it.

I want the offense go to through Barkley, but not to the tune of 65% running.

It needed to be balanced out, even before AJ decided to act like a chick.

If the passing game was better... I'd agree.

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I understand, I also look at the success of the tush push and give credit to the OL. The pieces may have changed, but the coach and technique hasn't. Carson Wentz was just as effective at converting 4th and 1. The Eagles are just elite at running the play. 

Yes, he gets credit for those TDs, but they do NOT make him a better QB. That's my opinion. I'm looking at a QB who has 2 of the best WR in the NFL, supposedly a top TE in the NFL and is struggling to hit 150 yards and is on pace for 20 passing TDs. 

From a throwing standpoint, Hurts is putting up game manager numbers. 

 

Meh - maybe the last two maybe 3 games but overall he hasn’t.   He had TWO 1000+ yard receivers last season.  Game managers don’t pass to two different receivers for over 1000 yards each.

 

Everyone is always talking about AJ and Devonta but people seem to forget who’s been passing them the ball the past 3 seasons.  
 

AJ Brown had the best year of his life  with Jalen Hurts passing him the ball.

Devonta Smith became a 1000 yard NFL receiver thanks to Jalen Hurts passing him the ball. 
 

People need to wake up and get over this entire "running back and game manager” thing.  It’s starting to become embarrassing to even read.  SMH. 

8 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Bro that went out of style 2 years ago when he took us to the Super Bowl and played lights out.  
 

Get in your Time Machine and come on over to 2024.

Are we in 2022 still or are we talking about this season?

I said this earlier, Hurts *can* do it but he's *not* doing it.  Is this wrong?

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Meh - maybe the last two maybe 3 games but overall he hasn’t.   He has TWO 1000+ yard receivers last season.  Game managers don’t pass to two different receivers for over 1000 yards each.

 

Everyone is always talking about AJ and Devonta but people seem to forget who’s been passing them the ball the past 3 seasons.  
 

AJ Brown had the best year of his life  with Jalen Hurts passing him the ball.

Devonta Smith became a 1000 yard NFL receiver thanks to Jalen Hurts passing him the ball. 
 

People need to wake up and get over this entire "running back and game managers” thing.  It’s starting to become embarrassing to even read.  SMH. 

Last year is last year, just like 2022 is 2022. 

7 out of 13 games he has 202 yards or less. You can even look at the NO game (the only 300 yard game this year) as an anomaly because Goedert went off for 170 out of no where. Goedert's next highest yardage game is 62 yards. 

I'm not saying Hurts is bad (I do think he has to play better however). I'm just saying that as a passer, in the current season, he's playing the role as game manager. 

Passing																		Rushing
Date	Team		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Rate	Sk	Yds	Sk%	NY/A	ANY/A	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Fmb
2024-12-08	PHI		CAR	W 22-16	14	21	66.7	108	2	9.5	0	0.0	27	5.1	7.05	7.7	110.8	4	25	16.00	3.32	4.92	8	59	1	35	7.4	1
2024-12-01	PHI	@	BAL	W 24-19	11	19	57.9	118	1	5.3	0	0.0	17	6.2	7.26	10.7	93.7	2	6	9.52	5.33	6.29	9	29	1	11	3.2	1
2024-11-24	PHI	@	LAR	W 37-20	15	22	68.2	179	1	4.5	0	0.0	31	8.1	9.05	11.9	108.0	1	12	4.35	7.26	8.13	12	39	0	11	3.3	0
2024-11-14	PHI		WAS	W 26-18	18	28	64.3	221	0	0.0	0	0.0	43	7.9	7.89	12.3	88.5	2	15	6.67	6.87	6.87	10	39	1	9	3.9	0
2024-11-10	PHI	@	DAL	W 34-6	14	20	70.0	202	2	10.0	1	5.0	44	10.1	9.85	14.4	115.0	5	46	20.00	6.24	6.04	7	56	2	24	8.0	1
2024-11-03	PHI		JAX	W 28-23	18	24	75.0	230	2	8.3	0	0.0	46	9.6	11.25	12.8	132.3	3	20	11.11	7.78	9.26	13	67	1	21	5.2	0
2024-10-27	PHI	@	CIN	W 37-17	16	20	80.0	236	1	5.0	0	0.0	45	11.8	12.80	14.8	132.5	0	0	0.00	11.80	12.80	10	37	3	12	3.7	0
2024-10-20	PHI	@	NYG	W 28-3	10	14	71.4	114	1	7.1	0	0.0	41	8.1	9.57	11.4	119.3	4	36	22.22	4.33	5.44	7	22	2	16	3.1	0
2024-10-13	PHI		CLE	W 20-16	16	25	64.0	264	2	8.0	0	0.0	45	10.6	12.16	16.5	126.1	1	8	3.85	9.85	11.38	14	33	0	9	2.4	0
2024-09-29	PHI	@	TAM	L 16-33	18	30	60.0	158	1	3.3	0	0.0	27	5.3	5.93	8.8	85.1	6	44	16.67	3.17	3.72	8	20	1	7	2.5	2
2024-09-22	PHI	@	NOR	W 15-12	29	38	76.3	311	0	0.0	1	2.6	61	8.2	7.00	10.7	88.8	4	23	9.52	6.86	5.79	8	25	0	21	3.1	1
2024-09-16	PHI		ATL	L 21-22	23	30	76.7	183	1	3.3	1	3.3	19	6.1	5.27	8.0	88.6	1	4	3.23	5.77	4.97	13	85	1	23	6.5	0
2024-09-06	PHI		GNB	W 34-29	20	34	58.8	278	2	5.9	2	5.9	67	8.2	6.71	13.9	80.3	2	12	5.56	7.39	6.00	13	33	0	8	2.5	2

4 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

Are we in 2022 still or are we talking about this season?

I said this earlier, Hurts *can* do it but he's *not* doing it.  Is this wrong?

I think what’s happened this season - especially over the past 3 games is an "over - adjustment” that started with an offensive strategy to eliminate turnovers, focus on a run first offense and take less risks passing the ball deeper, etc. 

I honestly think Hurts is likely just following instructions by his coaches - possibly a little too much. 
 

I’d be shocked if we don’t see him take at least a few  more shots this weekend against the Steelers.

35 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

We should be WAY past this. They paid him like a top QB. Now we're settling for 200 yard passing games and throwing the ball away in stead of INTs and sacks. 

Pragmatism 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Last year is last year, just like 2022 is 2022. 

7 out of 13 games he has 202 yards or less. You can even look at the NO game (the only 300 yard game this year) as an anomaly because Goedert went off for 170 out of no where. Goedert's next highest yardage game is 62 yards. 

I'm not saying Hurts is bad (I do think he has to play better however). I'm just saying that as a passer, in the current season, he's playing the role as game manager. 

Passing																		Rushing
Date	Team		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Rate	Sk	Yds	Sk%	NY/A	ANY/A	Att	Yds	TD	Lng	Y/A	Fmb
2024-12-08	PHI		CAR	W 22-16	14	21	66.7	108	2	9.5	0	0.0	27	5.1	7.05	7.7	110.8	4	25	16.00	3.32	4.92	8	59	1	35	7.4	1
2024-12-01	PHI	@	BAL	W 24-19	11	19	57.9	118	1	5.3	0	0.0	17	6.2	7.26	10.7	93.7	2	6	9.52	5.33	6.29	9	29	1	11	3.2	1
2024-11-24	PHI	@	LAR	W 37-20	15	22	68.2	179	1	4.5	0	0.0	31	8.1	9.05	11.9	108.0	1	12	4.35	7.26	8.13	12	39	0	11	3.3	0
2024-11-14	PHI		WAS	W 26-18	18	28	64.3	221	0	0.0	0	0.0	43	7.9	7.89	12.3	88.5	2	15	6.67	6.87	6.87	10	39	1	9	3.9	0
2024-11-10	PHI	@	DAL	W 34-6	14	20	70.0	202	2	10.0	1	5.0	44	10.1	9.85	14.4	115.0	5	46	20.00	6.24	6.04	7	56	2	24	8.0	1
2024-11-03	PHI		JAX	W 28-23	18	24	75.0	230	2	8.3	0	0.0	46	9.6	11.25	12.8	132.3	3	20	11.11	7.78	9.26	13	67	1	21	5.2	0
2024-10-27	PHI	@	CIN	W 37-17	16	20	80.0	236	1	5.0	0	0.0	45	11.8	12.80	14.8	132.5	0	0	0.00	11.80	12.80	10	37	3	12	3.7	0
2024-10-20	PHI	@	NYG	W 28-3	10	14	71.4	114	1	7.1	0	0.0	41	8.1	9.57	11.4	119.3	4	36	22.22	4.33	5.44	7	22	2	16	3.1	0
2024-10-13	PHI		CLE	W 20-16	16	25	64.0	264	2	8.0	0	0.0	45	10.6	12.16	16.5	126.1	1	8	3.85	9.85	11.38	14	33	0	9	2.4	0
2024-09-29	PHI	@	TAM	L 16-33	18	30	60.0	158	1	3.3	0	0.0	27	5.3	5.93	8.8	85.1	6	44	16.67	3.17	3.72	8	20	1	7	2.5	2
2024-09-22	PHI	@	NOR	W 15-12	29	38	76.3	311	0	0.0	1	2.6	61	8.2	7.00	10.7	88.8	4	23	9.52	6.86	5.79	8	25	0	21	3.1	1
2024-09-16	PHI		ATL	L 21-22	23	30	76.7	183	1	3.3	1	3.3	19	6.1	5.27	8.0	88.6	1	4	3.23	5.77	4.97	13	85	1	23	6.5	0
2024-09-06	PHI		GNB	W 34-29	20	34	58.8	278	2	5.9	2	5.9	67	8.2	6.71	13.9	80.3	2	12	5.56	7.39	6.00	13	33	0	8	2.5	2

Still 4 games to go before this season is over - and then the playoffs - let’s see how the rest of this season, including the playoffs plays out before analyzing what type of season Hurts has/had.

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Meh - maybe the last two maybe 3 games but overall he hasn’t.   He has TWO 1000+ yard receivers last seasons.   Game managers don’t pass to two different receivers for over 1000 yards each.

 

Everyone is always talking about AJ and Devonta but people seem to forget who’s been passing them the ball the past 3 seasons.  
 

AJ Brown had the best year of his life  with Jalen Hurts passing him the ball.

Devonta Smith became a 1000 yard NFL receiver thanks to Jalen Hurts passing him the ball. 
 

People need to wake up and get over this entire "running back and game managers” thing.  It’s starting to become embarrassing to even read.  SMH. 

It depends on your interpretation of game manager.  IMO, there are only 3 or 4 NFL QBs who aren't game managers to some extent.  I believe Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Joe Burrow have the skills to succeed with less dependence of who their WRs, RBs, TEs are.  Burrow has two really good WR weapons which help but I think he'd still put up solid numbers with less talented guys.  The concern I have (and maybe others do as well) is Hurts will have to lead the Eagles to victory in the playoffs on the strength of his arm, at some point. 

During the season, teams want to stop what you do well.  In the playoffs, teams HAVE TO stop what you do well and well-coached teams will find a way.  Look at the playoff game against TB last season.  The Bucs had to stop the tush-push -- and they did.  When the playoffs come, teams will do whatever it takes to slow down Barkley.  Teams did it to Barry Sanders; they'll do it to Barkley.  The Eagles are going to have to be able to do more on offense than run 45 times for 190 yards to go deep in the playoffs. 

Barkley has saved Hurts' bacon quite a few times this season already -- not sure they can count on a 75-yard running play to get them back into a playoff game.

29 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

You can’t just go by passing stats when it comes to Hurts.
 

 He’s one of the strongest QB’s in the NFL and the ONLY one that can run that play at an 80-90% success rate.  No other QB in the NFL has that type of success on goal line QB draws - so OF course he gets credit for those TD’s. 

Sure you can.

garbage argument

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

It depends on your interpretation of game manager.  IMO, there are only 3 or 4 NFL QBs who aren't game managers to some extent.  I believe Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Joe Burrow have the skills to succeed with less dependence of who their WRs, RBs, TEs are.  Burrow has two really good WR weapons which help but I think he'd still put up solid numbers with less talented guys.  The concern I have (and maybe others do as well) is Hurts will have to lead the Eagles to victory in the playoffs on the strength of his arm, at some point. 

During the season, teams want to stop what you do well.  In the playoffs, teams HAVE TO stop what you do well and well-coached teams will find a way.  Look at the playoff game against TB last season.  The Bucs had to stop the tush-push -- and they did.  When the playoffs come, teams will do whatever it takes to slow down Barkley.  Teams did it to Barry Sanders; they'll do it to Barkley.  The Eagles are going to have to be able to do more on offense than run 45 times for 190 yards to go deep in the playoffs. 

Barkley has saved Hurts' bacon quite a few times this season already -- not sure they can count on a 75-yard running play to get them back into a playoff game.

Remains to be seen but so far no one has been able to stop this offensive line and Sequon Barkley this year so I’m not sure someone will "all of a sudden” stop them in the playoffs.  This O-Line and Barkley have beaten stacked boxes (8+ men in the box) all-season-long. 
 

That said, I also agree that when other teams focus on our running game, we should be airing it out to AJ, Devonta and Goedert.   Especially with stacked boxes because that almost guarantees AJ or Devonta will be on one on one coverage. 

Are we really crediting Hurts with all of those 1 yard sneak TDs as a defense?

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Sure you can.

garbage argument

Wrong.

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

Are we really crediting Hurts with all of those 1 yard sneak TDs as a defense?

Name another NFL QB that runs that play at a 90% success rate.

 

I’ll wait. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Name another NFL QB that runs that play at a 90% success rate.

 

I’ll wait. 

🥱

49 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

so game manager. 

Honestly if we win the super bowl who really cares. Yea it's annoying that people are crowning a mid QB as an upper tier QB, but I'll take him as a game manager if it wins the super bowl

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Remains to be seen but so far no one has been able to stop this offensive line and Sequon Barkley this year so I’m not sure someone will "all of a sudden” stop them in the playoffs.  This O-Line and Barkley have beaten stacked boxes (8+ men in the box) all-season-long. 
 

That said, I also agree that when other teams focus on our running game, we should be airing it out to AJ, Devonta and Goedert.   Especially with stacked boxes because that almost guarantees AJ or Devonta will be on one on one coverage. 

Exactly. No one has done it so why do we keep ascribing super powers to teams?  

If 7 in the box, run. 8 throw more often than not.

Throw a bit more? Sure. Throw more slants to AJ?  Sure.  More over unders?  Sure. Some forward screens to AJ, Smith and SB?  Sure.  A few less read options?  Sure.

Don't dive into the ground and self sack? Sure!

But let's not change too much since we are winning.

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Name another NFL QB that runs that play at a 90% success rate.

 

I’ll wait. 

Most QBs don't need that as a crutch

12 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Name another NFL QB that runs that play at a 90% success rate.

 

I’ll wait. 

Kenny is ready to test that claim.

 

6 minutes ago, devpool said:

Honestly if we win the super bowl who really cares. Yea it's annoying that people are crowning a mid QB as an upper tier QB, but I'll take him as a game manager if it wins the super bowl

If they win the SB with Hurts as a game manager, that proves the point that MAYBE you don't need a $240 million QB. The NFL is closer to a $400 million QB than we think. Sooner than later, a team is going to figure out that drafting a QB, letting him be a game manager for 4-5 years and then moving on before his massive payday comes is better for the team. Teams can't continue to put so much money in to one position. This is one area where the transfer portal might help QBs. QBs are getting paid in college and we might start seeing more pro-ready QBs coming to the NFL a bit older instead of a year early. 

Hurts contract is now closer to middle of the road than it is top QB, but he's still getting serious coin. I'd assume his next contract will be even larger. He's still only 28 when his current deal becomes non-guaranteed. Either he gets extended or traded and then a new contract.

What's going to happen in 3-4 years when the Eagles need to pay Jalen Carter top dollar. Quinyon Mitchell top dollar. Cooper DeJean starting CB dollar. If they have a $300 million QB, it's going to be much harder to keep what looks to be a very promising, dominant defense together.