12 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I smell a Hurts and Brown at the 76ers game photo op coming. 

Embiid won’t be there though 

14 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

This may be overblown, but no…he’s not inventing a feud for his amusement in the middle of a playoff run simply for the enjoyment of trolling the media.  

Well, it’s certainly been overblown … But that’s Philadelphia for you.

All I heard AJ say were his words after the game (unless I’ve missed comments since then).   The real reason this is blowing up is because BG opened his damn mouth.
 

For all we know, Jalen and AJ are laughing about it in the background.  Well no… we know they’re not laughing about it.  But they could certainly have talked about it and have agreed to work on things, but the media and fans have no idea.  

So yeah… It’s not all that hard for me to picture AJ sitting back and watching all the media reports and laughing about it thinking "they don’t know what we know"

I could be way off… But it’s certainly a possibility. And not a far-fetched one.  

 

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

4 hours ago, bpac55 said:

$240 million and we'd be happy if he's hitting 200 passing yards per game. Great!

You guys have got to let go of the salary argument. He'll never see that, Howie always restructures. And QB contracts are always ridiculous. 

 

 

 

Wins should be a team stat, but both QBs and Head Coaches get judged for their W/L record across the league. They don't do that with other positions unless something significant, like a losing record when a player is hurt like Lane Johnson.

Constantly diminishing Hurts wins is obvious bias, because if he had a losing record it would absolutely be used against him constantly.

Both extremes of Hurts' arguments twist stats to their bias instead of being realistic and logical.

2 hours ago, Swoop said:

I meant that as in this season, specifically.

Could've made that more clear so that's my bad, but I think most people understood it.

Maybe you're profoundly stupid 🤷‍♂️

Alone.This season. What you meant. Not what you said, of course. My bad for thinking you meant what you said.

51 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

How many years has he been in the league? The guy in the booth is responsible for him not being able to see wide open WR multiple times a game. The new guy in the booth is the reason he hasn't been able to see the field through every one of those coordinators? He is so fragile that unless every single thing is perfect he can't play QB? Just stop. This is who he is if you want to admit it or not. 

I just always forget how myopic people can be.

Having consistently in your career, whether it is a quarterback of an NFL team or a professional paper stapler, is important for you to succeed. If your boss is turning over multiple times and the message changes every single time, it makes it extremely difficult to do your job.

36 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I disagree fully. 
 

you may be thinking about the top end talent like the Elways and the Manning’s and the Favre‘s, but I’ve never known an era in NFL history where QB’s 14-15-16 were anywhere near Mayfield, Prescott, Cousins. Usually in the 80’s, 90’s and 00’s there were a good 10+ who probably shouldn’t have been NFL starters. 20 years ago Chad Pennington was an above average starter. Who would he start for today? 5 teams? Maybe a few more? I’m not benching Wilson for Pennington. Or Carr for Harrington. If you could Jameis for Jeff Blake, who you choosing? Probably Jameis, and he’s a bottom 10 starter. Blake was a pro bowler in his time.

We just have young QBs now. 10 years from now Allen and Burrow and Jackson will be looked at like Kelly and Young and Favre

What criteria are we basing this off of? In 2004 the 14 through 16 in yards were Hasselbeck, Brees and Harrington. Below that was Palmer, Roethlisberger and Vick. 2014 the 14 through 16 was Romo, Russell Wilson and Dalton. Below that was Derrick Carr, Alex Smith, Newton and Kaepernick. 

 

 

 

 

38 minutes ago, McMVP said:

Well, it’s certainly been overblown … But that’s Philadelphia for you.

All I heard AJ say were his words after the game (unless I’ve missed comments since then).   The real reason this is blowing up is because BG opened his damn mouth.
 

For all we know, Jalen and AJ are laughing about it in the background.  Well no… we know they’re not laughing about it.  But they could certainly have talked about it and have agreed to work on things, but the media and fans have no idea.  

So yeah… It’s not all that hard for me to picture AJ sitting back and watching all the media reports and laughing about it thinking "they don’t know what we know"

I could be way off… But it’s certainly a possibility. And not a far-fetched one.  

 

I think it’s somewhat far fetched. BG is the most tenured Eagle in history. He’s also still really good at age 35. He’s also one of the more vocal players personality wise. He’s in the building all the time and no doubt has some type of relationship with the two stars on offense.There is no doubt in mind he was "tricked” or "didn’t know” the full story. I’ll give you that after the fact the media could be blowing it out of proportion. But he said what he said for a reason.

I've actually seen "fans" say that they want to trade Brown

2 hours ago, Godfather said:

Did you switch from vodka to whiskey? 

He is too weak for whiskey

41 minutes ago, NOTW said:

You guys have got to let go of the salary argument. He'll never see that, Howie always restructures. And QB contracts are always ridiculous. 

 

Why let it go? He had $180M guaranteed at signing (and probably will be more with his annual option bonuses that become guaranteed over time). Restructures usually just change the accounting of when you account for the number, not that "they will never see it” unless we are banking on him taking pay cuts which doesn’t seem likely. I also don’t think "Well, Jerry Jones paid Dak more so it’s fine” passes the smell test. Other teams doing stupid things doesn’t absolve anything. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think it’s somewhat far fetched. BG is the most tenured Eagle in history. He’s also still really good at age 35. He’s also one of the more vocal players personality wise. He’s in the building all the time and no doubt has some type of relationship with the two stars on offense.There is no doubt in mind he was "tricked” or "didn’t know” the full story. I’ll give you that after the fact the media could be blowing it out of proportion. But he said what he said for a reason.

I’m not saying that AJ and Jalen did not have some things to work out.  That much is plain.

But let’s be real… as much as we love BG, he’s the main culprit here as far as the media hoopla.  I forget which media member said this today, but I completely agreed. He sounded like a 17-year-old gossiping.  If he’s dumb enough to do that, then he may be dumb enough to not read things properly 

We may look back at this later and thank BG for making it such a big deal. Maybe it forced those two to get together and hash things out

 

25 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Wins should be a team stat, but both QBs and Head Coaches get judged for their W/L record across the league. They don't do that with other positions unless something significant, like a losing record when a player is hurt like Lane Johnson.

Constantly diminishing Hurts wins is obvious bias, because if he had a losing record it would absolutely be used against him constantly.

Both extremes of Hurts' arguments twist stats to their ageand bias instead of being realistic and logical.

Like looking at passing yards and TDs?

17 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Wins should be a team stat, but both QBs and Head Coaches get judged for their W/L record across the league. They don't do that with other positions unless something significant, like a losing record when a player is hurt like Lane Johnson.

Constantly diminishing Hurts wins is obvious bias, because if he had a losing record it would absolutely be used against him constantly.

Both extremes of Hurts' arguments twist stats to their ageand bias instead of being realistic and logical.

The number of fans complaining about his play is becoming larger and more vocal. You realize this truth when you attend a game. 

The media is beginning to go in on him more and more. They doubted him first. They anointed him in 2022, rightfully so. Then they remained mostly silent as he regressed last year, and now they are no longer able to ignore it this year.

The blind supporters like we see in this thread have become a small and extremely ignorant minority. 

Most of the most extreme negativity is an equal opposite response to their ridiculousness. Some is embellished for the purpose of satire in here. On that token though, the negative extremes are closer to the truth than the positive extreme. Its pretty much undeniable at this point, though we know the select few who will keep trying to paint the realists as bad guys. There are a lot of very rational negative posts that the select few are just completely unwilling to entertain. 

18 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

I just always forget how myopic people can be.

Having consistently in your career, whether it is a quarterback of an NFL team or a professional paper stapler, is important for you to succeed. If your boss is turning over multiple times and the message changes every single time, it makes it extremely difficult to do your job.

Not if you actually know what you are doing

10 minutes ago, McMVP said:

I’m not saying that AJ and Jalen did not have some things to work out.  That much is plain.

But let’s be real… as much as we love BG, he’s the main culprit here as far as the media hoopla.  I forget which media member said this today, but I completely agreed. He sounded like a 17-year-old gossiping.  If he’s dumb enough to do that, then he may be dumb enough to not read things properly 

We may look back at this later and thank BG for making it such a big deal. Maybe it forced those two to get together and hash things out

 

BG was wrong for his approach, no question from me. But for a guy that was clear and present for last years collapse when this rumor was swirling to now being vocal about it as it came up again this year, I don’t see how anyone could question what he knows.

And I do agree with the last paragraph. This very well could be a good thing. That depends on Hurts and AJ and how they proceed. But I tend to believe this was more of a "enough is enough” statement from BG than him just completely misreading the situation. 

He also has been doing this radio show for years and never once got close to misreading a locker room situation or putting anything out there accidentally. 

38 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Wins should be a team stat, but both QBs and Head Coaches get judged for their W/L record across the league. They don't do that with other positions unless something significant, like a losing record when a player is hurt like Lane Johnson.

Constantly diminishing Hurts wins is obvious bias, because if he had a losing record it would absolutely be used against him constantly.

Both extremes of Hurts' arguments twist stats to their ageand bias instead of being realistic and logical.

It makes sense to use W/L for head coaches, but not for QBs. Mostly because there are so many other more applicable metrics you can use for QBs, but also because head coaches are in charge of the whole operation, 7 days a week. QBs don't game plan, script plays, call plays, or play defense.

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Why let it go? He had $180M guaranteed at signing (and probably will be more with his annual option bonuses that become guaranteed over time). Restructures usually just change the accounting of when you account for the number, not that "they will never see it” unless we are banking on him taking pay cuts which doesn’t seem likely. I also don’t think "Well, Jerry Jones paid Dak more so it’s fine” passes the smell test. Other teams doing stupid things doesn’t absolve anything. 

I say let it go bc it's an over used cliche at this point, and other QBs are overpaid. QB contracts are ridiculous. Dak, Daniel Jones, others. Trevor Lawrence contract is $275m. Next offseason some other QB will get overpaid too.

19 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Like looking at passing yards and TDs?

Yes. I've argued that for weeks as well. One side diminishes his run contributions (but include Josh Allens) & the other side manipulates by combining them. I've said QB rush stats can be separate the way RB receiving stats are.

5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

It makes sense to use W/L for head coaches, but not for QBs. Mostly because there are so many other more applicable metrics you can use for QBs, but also because head coaches are in charge of the whole operation, 7 days a week. QBs don't game plan, script plays, call plays, or play defense.

That's fine but the media commonly use W/L for QBs, yet some here get mad when a few people point to Hurts wins. If Hurts had a losing record it would be posted here constantly by people criticizing him.

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I say let it go bc it's an over used cliche at this point, and other QBs are overpaid. QB contracts are ridiculous. Dak, Daniel Jones, others. Trevor Lawrence contract is $275m. Next offseason some other QB will get overpaid too.

I get it but Howie still made him the highest paid NFL player in history at one point. "Giants, Cowboys and Jaguars made dumb QB decisions too so it’s fine” isn’t a bed I would want to lay in. 

He was paid based on 2022 and how much better Howie expected him to be now. I think it’s fair to question the commitment and the results.