2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Replay assist for face masks would be an improvement. 👍

 

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I have been on the facemask review for years.  It's both objective and meaningful to the game's outcome.

Here me out but why not just put a referee in a video both during the game to make/review calls.  

12 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Have you watched every game over the past 3 seasons?  Commentators even joke about it - as long as the Eagles get to within 2 yards by 3rd down they can get the first down.  
 

1st and 8 sound familiar?  It should because it’s been repeated frequently over the past 3 seasons. 

Yes, they joke about it.   They are wrong.   Every watched every minute of every game since about 1989... prior to that I watched about 95%, but my parents would require things of me at times during games.

 

Yes, they JOKE about it.  The vast majority of the pushes have been a yard or less.  "1st and 8" has never been said.  Sirianni said "1st and 9", and that's one of the biggest issues I have with it.  That's bad thinking.   The Tush Push is a tool in your back pocket for WHEN you get into short yardage situations, not a play that you try to get into position to run.  They use it too much, WAY too much.  3rd and 1 anywhere on the field should not be an automatic Tush Push down.  Instead, it should be a down to be aggressive and keep the Push in the back pocket for 4th down.

I'm sounding like a broken record on this though, so I'll leave it here.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Dynamic one posession play

What would it be?  Like a 15 yard to go type of play? 

 

Just now, NCiggles said:

 

Here me out but why not just put a referee in a video both during the game to make/review calls.  

Assuming you weren't being cynical...they do have a guy in the cloud making corrections in real time.  But is a limited set of solutions.  Mostly inbounds or spotting of the ball.  It was done to save coaches having to challenge obvious mistakes.

Facemask is not reviewable in any instance.

Chase Daniel really is insufferable, and he thought he had a point there. 

 

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I'd be okay with the first proposal, but hate the second.

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

 

Here me out but why not just put a referee in a video both during the game to make/review calls.  

They had that... back in the day.  Late 80s, early 90s, IIRC.  Replay official in the booth who would decide what he would review or not (there were guidelines I think), it was before the coaches' challenge came along.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

I'd be okay with the first proposal, but hate the second.

Just put the kickoffs back to the way they were always done.  Anything else is hokey and unnecessary!

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Was the injury rate data for the old onside kick ever released by the NFL? Last time they "got creative” we got that god awful kickoff rule.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes, they joke about it.   They are wrong.   Every watched every minute of every game since about 1989... prior to that I watched about 95%, but my parents would require things of me at times during games.

 

Yes, they JOKE about it.  The vast majority of the pushes have been a yard or less.  "1st and 8" has never been said.  Sirianni said "1st and 9", and that's one of the biggest issues I have with it.  That's bad thinking.   The Tush Push is a tool in your back pocket for WHEN you get into short yardage situations, not a play that you try to get into position to run.  They use it too much, WAY too much.  3rd and 1 anywhere on the field should not be an automatic Tush Push down.  Instead, it should be a down to be aggressive and keep the Push in the back pocket for 4th down.

I'm sounding like a broken record on this though, so I'll leave it here.

I think having Barkley perform the way he has this season helps with that, tbh.  
 

They haven’t used it as much in 1.5 yards to go types of situations as often this season but in the past they used to quite frequently- even in the Super Bowl. 

But even on gamedays half the people in here get angry when they hand it off to Barkley on 3rd and 1-2 instead of "tush pushing it twice”.  I’ve heard that repeatedly.  The reason they ask for it is because that’s what they’ve done in the past and with enormous success. 

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Assuming you weren't being cynical...they do have a guy in the cloud making corrections in real time.  But is a limited set of solutions.  Mostly inbounds or spotting of the ball.  It was done to save coaches having to challenge obvious mistakes.

Facemask is not reviewable in any instance.

The problem becomes, once you open the can of worms on reviews for penalties, where do you draw the line? Remember the catastrophe of letting coaches challenge for PI for a year because Sean Payton cried about the NFCCG (I know he was right, but I hate that guy). PI? Holding? Hits to the helmet?

You're kind of opening Pandora's box with this. 

24 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I like an idea of 4th and 20 from your like own 30 and if you pick up a first, you keep going, if you don't get it...the opposing team takes over where you were stopped.

7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I'd be okay with the first proposal, but hate the second.

I think the one play thing is too gimmicky but they need to do something with onsides kicks if they aren't changing the kickoffs back to normal. Even then they would need to tweak something to promote more success. 

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Yes. Snow games are fun but rain, wind, extreme cold… not fun to watch. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The problem becomes, once you open the can of worms on reviews for penalties, where do you draw the line? Remember the catastrophe of letting coaches challenge for PI for a year because Sean Payton cried about the NFCCG (I know he was right, but I hate that guy). PI? Holding? Hits to the helmet?

You're kind of opening Pandora's box with this. 

Call the games from New York. Use all the cameras you already have, add some new ones. Have a "head referee” on the field announcing the calls/coordinating with NY. No more chain gang.

The integrity of the game is at stake at this point.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

The problem becomes, once you open the can of worms on reviews for penalties, where do you draw the line? Remember the catastrophe of letting coaches challenge for PI for a year because Sean Payton cried about the NFCCG (I know he was right, but I hate that guy). PI? Holding? Hits to the helmet?

You're kind of opening Pandora's box with this. 

Just facemask. Leave the rest of the worms in the can.

There isn't much judgment on a facemask.  You look at the helmet.  You look at the defenders hand.  You look at the motion of the ball carrier's head.  They can define the parameters of the challenge to take out any of the grey that may exist.  

When you have looked at missed helmet calls, how many were iffy?  Also, think about the false positives that would be corrected.

25 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

There will be some offenses who would be pretty good at that. And others, like our current offense which isnt very good at chunk plays (Id assume we wouldnt want to call a run).

I can see a coach like Siri, with a D like ours actually going for "onside kicks" a lot though if this is the new thing. If you trust your D to hold an opponent to 3 most of the time that you fail to maintain possession... but you know your offense is also really good at converting 3rd and long situations.... You might just play the odds most of the time rather than kick off. 

17 minutes ago, Swoop said:

He's had some concerning issues beyond just the last two games, though. 

correct. blind hurts people are acting like its a sudden fluky thing. In reality, it should be a significant eye opening display of the incompetence most of us have seen the past few years. It was bound to eventually catch up and snowball. Playing offense the way Hurts requires it isnt sustainable. 

31 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

That's not how it would work.  

link?

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Just facemask. Leave the rest of the worms in the can.

There isn't much judgment on a facemask.  You look at the helmet.  You look at the defenders hand.  You look at the motion of the ball carrier's head.  They can define the parameters of the challenge to take out any of the grey that may exist.  

When you have looked at missed helmet calls, how many were iffy?  Also, think about the false positives that would be corrected.

Because that's what they are missing today. But then when they miss a bunch of obvious holding, or PI, or whatever, people will want that added too.

I know it's not a great answer, but the refs need to stop sucking so bad. Maybe go to full time refs. I just thinking challenging penalties is a road we don't want to go down, kind of like challenging balls and strikes in baseball.

3 hours ago, aptosbird said:

The issue is the handful of trolls sucking the oxygen out of the room with mindless and repetitive posts about it. They made their point months ago and have locked in on low level thinking. Non-stop hate and hyperbole is going to cause push back.

This.

Most fans are somewhere in the middle, being realistic and acknowledging the issues not just with Hurts but with any player or coach. Being logical and reasonable means acknowledging the good and bad.

There are a few delusional fans who swear Hurts is elite and spin stats favorably for him. A lot of fans here post generalizations lumping in anyone who's not an extreme hater as if they're in that delusional group. There are a handful more of extremely negative, over the top people who trash him constantly no matter what he does, call him childish names, downplay anything good he does, give all the credit to anyone but Hurts. And then they are the loud voices saying "you can't criticize Hurts" and argue as if there's a large portion of the fanbase that think Hurts is on par with Josh Allen (like maybe 2 guys suggest that).

It's trollish, spam behavior. It's childish and petty.

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Just put the kickoffs back to the way they were always done.  Anything else is hokey and unnecessary!

co-signed

13 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The problem becomes, once you open the can of worms on reviews for penalties, where do you draw the line? Remember the catastrophe of letting coaches challenge for PI for a year because Sean Payton cried about the NFCCG (I know he was right, but I hate that guy). PI? Holding? Hits to the helmet?

You're kind of opening Pandora's box with this. 

Maybe they dont allow you to challenge to GET a flag, but you can challenge to have a phantom penalty reversed. That might be a decent middle ground. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Because that's what they are missing today. But then when they miss a bunch of obvious holding, or PI, or whatever, people will want that added too.

I know it's not a great answer, but the refs need to stop sucking so bad. Maybe go to full time refs. I just thinking challenging penalties is a road we don't want to go down, kind of like challenging balls and strikes in baseball.

Not sure if that's the issue (not being as well trained) or if there's just too much going on for the current crew to catch in real-time. Increasing the size of the crew (e.g. addtional back judge and/or field judge) and having them confer more often on something they might've seen or not seen could work too. Counter-argument to a bigger crew is more potential for them to inhibit the play which is obviously worse.