6 hours ago, Outlaw said:

Carr??

3 hours ago, just relax said:

Yeah. That’s pretty funny.

Yeah, that's the Jump the Shark moment in TATE's Hurts derangement syndrome.

2 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Yeah, that's the Jump the Shark moment in TATE's Hurts derangement syndrome.

What is TATE’s derangement syndrome?  Everything I’ve seen tells me it must be bipolar.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

 

@HazletonEagle is correct.  

 

It's clear that no matter what the Hurts hate will carry his whole career here.  He's going to go down as the best QB in franchise history.  First QB in franchise history to have 3 straight seasons to start 8-2 or better.  Youngest QB in franchise history to make the Super Bowl.  About to become only the 3rd QB in franchise history to take the team to the playoffs in 4 consecutive seasons (Jaworski and McNabb the other two).  He might this season become the first QB in franchise history to take the team to the Super Bowl twice.  He's already 2nd all time in rushing touchdowns for the franchise.  6th all time in passing yards, 7th all time passing touchdowns.  Already 4th all time in wins in franchise history for a QB..  And oh yeah, he's only just turned 26 years old.

Who can definitively be put above Hurts right now?  Mahomes 29 years old, Lamar soon to be 28 years old, Josh Allen 28 years old and if you want to put Burrow there although I would take Hurts over Burrow then Burrow is almost 28 years old.

 

 

3 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

It's clear that no matter what the Hurts hate will carry his whole career here.  He's going to go down as the best QB in franchise history.  First QB in franchise history to have 3 straight seasons to start 8-2 or better.  Youngest QB in franchise history to make the Super Bowl.  About to become only the 3rd QB in franchise history to take the team to the playoffs in 4 consecutive seasons (Jaworski and McNabb the other two).  He might this season become the first QB in franchise history to take the team to the Super Bowl twice.  He's already 2nd all time in rushing touchdowns for the franchise.  6th all time in passing yards, 7th all time passing touchdowns.  Already 4th all time in wins in franchise history for a QB..  And oh yeah, he's only just turned 26 years old.

Who can definitively be put above Hurts right now?  Mahomes 29 years old, Lamar soon to be 28 years old, Josh Allen 28 years old and if you want to put Burrow there although I would take Hurts over Burrow then Burrow is almost 28 years old.

You are moving the goalposts.  Your statement was "Eagles would be nowhere close to 8-2 without Hurts."   HazletonEagle replied, "well it depends on who replaced him."

Your statement ignores the fact that football is a team game. Your statement ignores the fact that the Defense is currently ranked #1 in the NFL. Your statement ignores Brown Smith and Goedert. Your statement ignores Barkley.

Look at the scores of the 10 games

Green Bay 34-29.  If you replace Hurts with any of Jackson, Allen, Burrow, Stroud, Mahomes, Herbert, Tua, Rodgers, Wilson, Cousins, Murray, Love, Stafford, Purdy, Smith, Mayfield, or Daniels, would the 34 points have gone down?  If so, how far down? Would the points have gone up?

Atlanta 21-22.  Same questions. Would the 21 points have gone down?  If so, how far down? Would the points have gone up?

New Orleans 15-12.  Same questions. Would the 15 points have gone down?  If so, how far down? Would the points have gone up?

Tampa Bay 16-33.  Same questions. Would the 16 points have gone down?  If so, how far down? Would the points have gone up?

Cleveland 20-16.  Same questions. Would the 20 points have gone down?  If so, how far down? Would the points have gone up?

NY Giants 28-3.  Same questions. Would the 28 points have gone down?  If so, how far down? Would the points have gone up?

Cincinnati 37-17.  Same questions. Would the 37 points have gone down?  If so, how far down? Would the points have gone up?

Jacksonville 28-23.  Same questions. Would the 28 points have gone down?  If so, how far down? Would the points have gone up?

Dallas 34-6.  Same questions. Would the 34 points have gone down?  If so, how far down? Would the points have gone up?

Washington 26-18.  Same questions. Would the 26 points have gone down?  If so, how far down? Would the points have gone up?

Even if you could argue that the Eagles points in each game would have been 7 points less their record becomes 4-6.  If their points go down 4 points (converting a TD into a FG) their record is 6-3-1.  Arguably Hurts lost the Atlanta game.  The Eagles have outgained their opponents by a 3,799 to 2,731 margin, with that kind of productivity margin, arguably they should be even better than 8-2.

Bottom-line, you are letting your biases push you to a polarized argument.  The reality is much less polar, and that is all HazletonEagle said in his reply to you.

8 hours ago, mattwill said:

It is interesting reading this post of yours in the context of your assessment of Jordan Davis.

Feel free to elaborate.

7 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

It's clear that no matter what the Hurts hate will carry his whole career here.  He's going to go down as the best QB in franchise history.  First QB in franchise history to have 3 straight seasons to start 8-2 or better.  Youngest QB in franchise history to make the Super Bowl.  About to become only the 3rd QB in franchise history to take the team to the playoffs in 4 consecutive seasons (Jaworski and McNabb the other two).  He might this season become the first QB in franchise history to take the team to the Super Bowl twice.  He's already 2nd all time in rushing touchdowns for the franchise.  6th all time in passing yards, 7th all time passing touchdowns.  Already 4th all time in wins in franchise history for a QB..  And oh yeah, he's only just turned 26 years old.

Who can definitively be put above Hurts right now?  Mahomes 29 years old, Lamar soon to be 28 years old, Josh Allen 28 years old and if you want to put Burrow there although I would take Hurts over Burrow then Burrow is almost 28 years old.

 

 

The team level accomplishments in Hurts’ tenure are very good.  Wins.  SB appearance.  Playoffs.  Rushing TDs.

But the issue remains that the starting QB is a more or less average passer.  

Tyler Warren is a draft crush but I'm realizing he's working his way in to the top half of the 1st round right now.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Tyler Warren is a draft crush but I'm realizing he's working his way in to the top half of the 1st round right now.

Yeah, don't get your hopes up.  Further, he's the type of player that will need to be a focal point of an offense to get full value out of him.  I don't think he really fits here with how many other weapons this team has.  Now, if he lands in KC... that will be something to watch.  

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The team level accomplishments in Hurts’ tenure are very good.  Wins.  SB appearance.  Playoffs.  Rushing TDs.

But the issue remains that the starting QB is a more or less average passer.  

This is the main argument though. Is average passing solid enough when its complimented by his running ability?

QBs aren't pure pocket passers anymore. The times of Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees are all gone. They were known for standing tall in the pocket, making quick decisions, and driving the ball. The NFL is different now. Todays top QBs are Mahomes, Allen, and Lamar. That is a hell of a lot more mobility there. Mahomes improvises and has lots of off platform throws you would never see Brady or Manning attempt. Allen is very aggressive when he runs and has a lot of the power that Hurts has. Lamar is one of the most exciting running QBs we've seen since Vick.

You can't ignore Hurts dual-threat potential, defenses have to account for it and it stresses them in multiple ways. The ability to convert crucial short-yardage, while ugly, is a huge advantage. This isn't a Rex Grossman or Trent Dilfer situation.

 

It is funny how we forget the fundamentals of football at times.  The best way to defeat the pass rush is run the rock.  That slows down the rush enough to get those longer routes which Hurts and his receivers excel at.  Give Hurts an outlet in case the opposing team actually has good coverage deep.  That outlet to Barkley on Thursday was a soul crusher for the Commies defense. Nailing the fundamentals is as important to coaching as it is to players.  By sticking to the fundamentals they have Hurts passing as a top 3 QB at this point, albeit against poorer defenses.  Will be interesting to see how they do against better run defenses like the Steelers.  

32 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

It is funny how we forget the fundamentals of football at times.  The best way to defeat the pass rush is run the rock.  That slows down the rush enough to get those longer routes which Hurts and his receivers excel at.  Give Hurts an outlet in case the opposing team actually has good coverage deep.  That outlet to Barkley on Thursday was a soul crusher for the Commies defense. Nailing the fundamentals is as important to coaching as it is to players.  By sticking to the fundamentals they have Hurts passing as a top 3 QB at this point, albeit against poorer defenses.  Will be interesting to see how they do against better run defenses like the Steelers.  

Steelers gave up 27 to the Commanders.  They can be had.

Eagles/Steelers going to get flexed to SNF? Currently Packers/Seahawks

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Feel free to elaborate.

Nah.  I'll just let it marinate.

1 hour ago, wussbasket said:

This is the main argument though. Is average passing solid enough when its complimented by his running ability?

QBs aren't pure pocket passers anymore. The times of Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees are all gone. They were known for standing tall in the pocket, making quick decisions, and driving the ball. The NFL is different now. Todays top QBs are Mahomes, Allen, and Lamar. That is a hell of a lot more mobility there. Mahomes improvises and has lots of off platform throws you would never see Brady or Manning attempt. Allen is very aggressive when he runs and has a lot of the power that Hurts has. Lamar is one of the most exciting running QBs we've seen since Vick.

You can't ignore Hurts dual-threat potential, defenses have to account for it and it stresses them in multiple ways. The ability to convert crucial short-yardage, while ugly, is a huge advantage. This isn't a Rex Grossman or Trent Dilfer situation.

 

My personal answer to your bolded question is a solid, "Yes!"

5 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Eagles/Steelers going to get flexed to SNF? Currently Packers/Seahawks

They don’t flex unless they have to. While Pennsylvania game is a good one, Fail Mary redux may not be bad enough to force their hand

The question of whether Hurts' ruining ability makes up for his shortcomings as a passer is a valid one.  It can.  But we have seen many times where it doesn't.  It can be either or.  It's not a solid yes. 

 

Another question that needs to be considered:  Is the benefit of his rushing ability worth more than the benefit of a better QB maximizing the talent/contributions that players like Brown, and especially Smith, Goedert, and Barkley can be making in the receiving game? I think the sum of those parts would be far greater than the value of Hurts sometimes effective,  often sluggish legs.

21 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Eagles/Steelers going to get flexed to SNF? Currently Packers/Seahawks

It’s Fox’s "Americas game of the week” so it’s probably protected from flexing 

12 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Steelers gave up 27 to the Commanders.  They can be had.

Steelers are a top ten defense.  Strong against the pass and the run.  Will be the best defense the Eagles face in the regular season.  

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The question of whether Hurts' ruining ability makes up for his shortcomings as a passer is a valid one.  It can.  But we have seen many times where it doesn't.  It can be either or.  It's not a solid yes. 

 

Another question that needs to be considered:  Is the benefit of his rushing ability worth more than the benefit of a better QB maximizing the talent/contributions that players like Brown, and especially Smith, Goedert, and Barkley can be making in the receiving game? I think the sum of those parts would be far greater than the value of Hurts sometimes effective,  often sluggish legs.

Your first paragraph:  completely agree

second:  I think it is worth it when you couple it with his work ethic and leadership.  I realize you don’t think he’s likable, but you’re just simply in the small minority on that.  And it’s also rather obvious that your opinion on his likability is biased by your opinion of him as a QB.  Human nature and all that

And lastly, it’s sort of pointless to have these hypothetical conversations anyway.  Not every team is going to get the Mahomes or Allen arm talent, and many times when a team does get that Uber-talented arm, it comes with other traits/characteristics that are far less desirable.  The sum of everything Hurts is is so much better than average.  Far too many people suffer from ‘the grass is greener over there’ disease.

16 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

They don’t flex unless they have to. While Pennsylvania game is a good one, Fail Mary redux may not be bad enough to force their hand

They didn’t have to flex Eagles/Bengals but they did anyway to get a better matchup. They will do whatever they think will get more viewers. 

51 minutes ago, mattwill said:

My personal answer to your bolded question is a solid, "Yes!"

I would agree. I think coaching also plays a big part of it as we saw last year.

They have essentially the same record as they did week 10 last year, except they are trending in a positive direction.

44 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The question of whether Hurts' ruining ability makes up for his shortcomings as a passer is a valid one.  It can.  But we have seen many times where it doesn't.  It can be either or.  It's not a solid yes. 

 

Another question that needs to be considered:  Is the benefit of his rushing ability worth more than the benefit of a better QB maximizing the talent/contributions that players like Brown, and especially Smith, Goedert, and Barkley can be making in the receiving game? I think the sum of those parts would be far greater than the value of Hurts sometimes effective,  often sluggish legs.

The sum of the parts is always greater than the value of an individual player, and there's going to be a balance and pros and cons for whoever the QB is.

Who are these better QBs and how would the Eagles acquire them?

With Darnold or Mayfield, are short yardage situations almost a gimme? Would they be able to build that chemistry with AJ Brown and keep him in check when he's not getting the ball?

One thing we never see as fans is how Hurts really is in the locker room. Based off the almost non-existent finger pointing after last years meltdown, I'm fairly confident the players are all bought in and behind this team.

Gotta love a stress free Sunday of football. I will however be rooting for the Steelers to lose in embarrassing fashion. I hate them and their fan base almost as much as the cowboys. 

If you put a blind fold on Hurts, his vision would not get any worse. That is one of many reasons why he stinks. 

4 minutes ago, McMVP said:

Your first paragraph:  completely agree

second:  I think it is worth it when you couple it with his work ethic and leadership.  I realize you don’t think he’s likable, but you’re just simply in the small minority on that.  And it’s also rather obvious that your opinion on his likability is biased by your opinion of him as a QB.  Human nature and all that

And lastly, it’s sort of pointless to have these hypothetical conversations anyway.  Not every team is going to get the Mahomes or Allen arm talent, and many times when a team does get that Uber-talented arm, it comes with other traits/characteristics that are far less desirable.  The sum of everything Hurts is is so much better than average.  Far too many people suffer from ‘the grass is greener over there’ disease.

I don’t want to open a can of worms here given the state of the current team, but I guess I’m in the minority because I don’t see what’s so likable about him. I feel like the majority like him because "he just wins” or some other arbitrary reason. 

18 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Steelers are a top ten defense.  Strong against the pass and the run.  Will be the best defense the Eagles face in the regular season.  

True, but they can be had.  They gave up 27 to an offense our defense shredded.