5 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

The thing is, I know you know all this.

He doesn't. Knowing stuff requires literacy and effort.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

He doesn't. Knowing stuff requires literacy and effort.

I'm assuming his "business transformation" role requires this kind of knowledge.

Then again, Elon is supposed to be an IT expert.

2 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

I'm assuming his "business transformation" role requires this kind of knowledge.

Then again, Elon is supposed to be an IT expert.

Norse couldn't transform an egg into an omelette.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Absolutely not. I'm the biggest "both sider" in here. That comes with its own issues of course.

I have literally never once seen you take the other side

10 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Norse couldn't transform an egg into an omelette.

I actually make a pretty kick ass omelette. Suck at baking though.

5 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

I have literally never once seen you take the other side

he literally railed against biden's border policy for four years.

1 hour ago, The Norseman said:

I'm saying that if you look at the average American's federal taxes paid it would take 144k American's to come up with 40b. It may be scratch on the iceberg, but not having an agency to constantly review contracts and other wasteful spending is partially what got us into this mess. I don't accept that because these cuts amount to smaller dollars than we had hoped that this isn't a worthwhile exercise.

The big stuff still remains...ie. entitlements. Contrary to popular belief, you can't cut entitlements in reconciliation bills so expecting them to be cut in this current bill was a fools errand. Any real reform to entitlements requires 60 votes.

It will be very interesting to see if those cuts are ever proposed and if so, which party overwhelmingly votes against them.

That's comes out to $278k tax bill ... what the hell are you talking about?

1 hour ago, The Norseman said:

They are literally doing both of these things. Agencies have been given targets and are reporting cuts in real time. Doge team members are going line by line to identify contracts, grants and leases

If you're a bean counting idiot things like technical debt have no cost.

Also, temporarily canceling Congressionally approved funding is not savings. It'll still be spent.

1 hour ago, The Norseman said:

I suspect the US Government has no such renewal justification process and without a regular audit, you'd be paying for a lot of licenses you don't need. Why on earth wouldn't you want to audit that?

Why do you suspect that?

48 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

I have literally never once seen you take the other side

It is common knowledge in here my friend. Why do you think Moss and Munson were always my biggest antagonists? It certainly wasn’t because I agreed with them. I was anti woke before Trump even entered the fray.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

The govt typically tries to stay away from subscription based licensing and requires an active reup after the main period of 1-2 years. Most of the agencies require it. I just went thru a bunch of that with the US govt in my last gig. Our stuff was critical so we had to keep the licenses working anyway while we chased the reup and the subsequent payments. I'm not saying there isn't subscription stuff there but...

Weird you'd think that the US government, whose spending is the most scrutinized of any government in world history, might actually have processes in place that ensure the most basic and simple of cost overruns are avoided.

1 hour ago, Paul852 said:

The government isn't nearly as bad at this as these people think.

Their pipe dream is that their is enough "waste" to allow them to justify the deficits Republicans run.

3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Weird you'd think that the US government, whose spending is the most scrutinized of any government in world history, might actually have processes in place that ensure the most basic and simple of cost overruns are avoided.

Well obviously they are far from perfect and do stuff they aren’t supposed to do at times but yeah

1 hour ago, The Norseman said:

I have literally never once seen you take the other side

1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

he literally railed against biden's border policy for four years.

Norse and the other cult morons only see two sides, you are either with trump, or a libtard.

They do not understand that you don’t have to agree with a party of person on every issue.

They do not understand that’s It’s possible to be liberal on some issues, conservative on some, and somewhere in between on others. They are Fing cult members to the core, and very few deserve to be seriously reasoned with.

2 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

he literally railed against biden's border policy for four years.

And yet he strongly prefers Biden's Border Czar to the one guy who actually shut down the border? Stop it 😂😂😂

Just now, The Norseman said:

And yet he strongly prefers Biden's Border Czar to the one guy who actually shut down the border? Stop it 😂😂😂

As I've said at least 20x, the single thing Trump has done well is take care of the border. I support it.

Quit being so dull.

edit: I've also said I'm behind removing the temporary status for people from Venezuela and other countries. I've said that multiple times in here as well.

2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

If you're a bean counting idiot things like technical debt have no cost.

Also, temporarily canceling Congressionally approved funding is not savings. It'll still be spent.

I'm not arguing that he amounts are absolutely correct...only that the process they are following is exactly the optimal course of action he proposed.

1 minute ago, The Norseman said:

I'm not arguing that he amounts are absolutely correct...only that the process they are following is exactly the optimal course of action he proposed.

You must be horrible at your job if you think the chainsaw approach used by DOGE has been a good way to conduct a cost saving exercise. They made no effort whatsoever to understand what was working and what was not or even what was required to be done. They simply filtered off of some key words and then chopped. That's by their own admission as to how things were done. Is that how you do your work?

2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Why do you suspect that?

Because they are using disparate systems across the government for common tasks, because the government woefully trails industry best practices and because Doge is making a point about it needing to be cleaned up.

Why do you suspect they are?

1 minute ago, The Norseman said:

Because they are using disparate systems across the government for common tasks, because the government woefully trails industry best practices and because Doge is making a point about it needing to be cleaned up.

Why do you suspect they are?

You are simply wrong. Note: I'm not saying that type of subscription doesn't exist because it does but the default and required policy for the majority of agencies is for a license renewal to be made after each term expires.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

You must be horrible at your job if you think the chainsaw approach used by DOGE has been a good way to conduct a cost saving exercise. They made no effort whatsoever to understand what was working and what was not or even what was required to be done. They simply filtered off of some key words and then chopped. That's by their own admission as to how things were done. Is that how you do your work?

Dude. Go back and read what Vikas wrote and read my response. You are interjecting all sorts of things that have nothing to do with the discussion.

I don't argue for or against HOW Doge did it, only that I'm glad they are doing it and I hope they keep it up. I have seen cost cutting exercises done in all manner of ways...but I can tell you this, if a major company was in the fiscal position that our government is in, it wouldn't be a chainsaw that new management used, it would be an atom bomb.

4 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

I'm not arguing that he amounts are absolutely correct...only that the process they are following is exactly the optimal course of action he proposed.

For a business maybe. Government is not a business, and for you business school types whose only tool is a hammer every government budget issue is a nail.

The only truth you've spoken in this thread is that entitlement reform is the only true way towards a solution remotely resembling solvency. Boomers are buoying Trump and therefore the solution is not within your grasp - because they don't teach solutions to political problems in business school.

Republicans are no more likely to reduce spending on entitlements than Democrats. But what they reliably do is run higher deficits.

As long as we continue to reward the Republican party for cutting taxes and increasing spending they will do it.

That's exactly what you're doing with your short sighted thinking.

10 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

I'm not arguing that he amounts are absolutely correct...only that the process they are following is exactly the optimal course of action he proposed.

1 minute ago, The Norseman said:

Dude. Go back and read what Vikas wrote and read my response. You are interjecting all sorts of things that have nothing to do with the discussion.

I don't argue for or against HOW Doge did it, only that I'm glad they are doing it and I hope they keep it up. I have seen cost cutting exercises done in all manner of ways...but I can tell you this, if a major company was in the fiscal position that our government is in, it wouldn't be a chainsaw that new management used, it would be an atom bomb.

You just said exactly that, see bold red

3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

You are simply wrong. Note: I'm not saying that type of subscription doesn't exist because it does but the default and required policy is for a license renewal to be made after each term expires.

Cite your source

7 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Because they are using disparate systems across the government for common tasks, because the government woefully trails industry best practices and because Doge is making a point about it needing to be cleaned up.

Why do you suspect they are?

None of those are facts. They are propositions accepted as fact by folks like you.