2 hours ago, paco said:

Catching up so it may have been posted but....

 

 

 

Oh NOW we HAVE to win!!!!  

 

lol Yeah, I saw that one too (actually caught it right after he posted it). Like Shango, he's a Cowboys fan, but he's pretty funny. 

13 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Whoever the OC is at some point we should consider bringing in Nick Foles as the QB coach (if he’s open to it).
 

 As a backup, that’s basically what he did here - and when he was hurt, that’s what he did in Jacksonville and did it well. 

Does Nick want to coach? I do think Hurts would listen to him.  

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And you don't think that Kelce will be Mahomes' third down target?  And Kelce IS known for his YAC, even as he's slowed down over the years.   It's a concern, and they need to try to find ways to remedy this.  Remember, in 2017, Gronk was the Patriots' main target too.  And it was pretty effective... nearly effective enough to win.

What I'm saying is it was the Eagles game plan to let Ertz beat them since he has no YAC and they would have to march slowly down the field without making mistakes. Washington played right into their hand while the corners were mostly taking care of business against the other receiving threats in McLaurin (51 yards), Brown (42 yards), and Zaccheaus (26 yards).

Fangio isn't going to have the same plan against Kelce, so I don't think the results Ertz had this game have any bearing on how they would approach Kelce.

9 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Dude, did you not listen? Nick Wright says there is no way Saquon will go off on the Chiefs. And Nick Wright has never had a bad take on Saquon. Or the Eagles. Or football.

Wright has a doctorate in dumbassery.

I'm very glad he isn't on sports radio anymore.  His schtick of rambling on and on about how LeBron James is the greatest basketball player of all time, based solely on the fact he isn't even old enough to have watched Michael Jordan's prime years (much less Wilt, Kareem, Bird, Magic, etc.), got old really fast.  He had an extremely arrogant tone when arguing with callers as well.

That's probably why somebody gave him a TV spot.  Only a limited amount of pushback possible in a short segment.

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Does Nick want to coach? I do think Hurts would listen to him.  

I have no idea   But he loves this team and loves this city.  He might be open to it now that he’s been retired for a bit. 

4 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

What I'm saying is it was the Eagles game plan to let Ertz beat them since he has no YAC and they would have to march slowly down the field without making mistakes. Washington played right into their hand while the corners were mostly taking care of business against the other receiving threats in McLaurin (51 yards), Brown (42 yards), and Zaccheaus (26 yards).

Fangio isn't going to have the same plan against Kelce, so I don't think the results Ertz had this game have any bearing on how they would approach Kelce.

Very likely...  but pointing it out, they need a different game plan, because Kelce is more capable of hurting us than Ertz at this point.  That said, Ertz did plenty of damage back in the day (specifically 2017), and being able to consistently convert 3rd and 4th downs is an extremely important function, and would qualify in my mind as a 'big play', even if its not always a lot of yards.  Drive extending plays are huge in my eyes.

14 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

 

 

Looking at his career numbers, he averaged a forced fumble for every 4 games played. To pair with averaging an int in just over 4 games too. Does anyone know if the forced fumble stat is for just fumbles recovered by the defense, and not all fumbles?  Because if it's the former, then he generated a turnover almost every other game. That would be absolutely bananas so I'm thinking it's gotta be the latter. Because otherwise that would put him among the absolute best defenders to have ever played in forcing turnovers. Dude should be in the Hall already.

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

That's probably why somebody gave him a TV spot.  Only a limited amount of pushback possible in a short segment.

His face seems more suited for radio, though.

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I have no idea   But he loves this team and loves this city.  He might be open to it now that he’s been retired for a bit. 

I highly doubt it.  He nearly retired to go into other ventures during his career before he came back here.  I don't think he has any interest in the amount of time that that job requires.

10 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Looking at his career numbers, he averaged a forced fumble for every 4 games played. To pair with averaging an int in just over 4 games too. Does anyone know if the forced fumble stat is for just fumbles recovered by the defense, and not all fumbles?  Because if it's the former, then he generated a turnover almost every other game. That would be absolutely bananas so I'm thinking it's gotta be the latter. Because otherwise that would put him among the absolute best defenders to have ever played in forcing turnovers. Dude should be in the Hall already.

I don't know where you are seeing that but I've seen team stats where FF and FR are different numbers, so I think it would have to be just times the ball was knocked loose, not necessarily recovered by the D.

10 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Wright has a doctorate in dumbassery.

I'm very glad he isn't on sports radio anymore.  His schtick of rambling on and on about how LeBron James is the greatest basketball player of all time, based solely on the fact he isn't even old enough to have watched Michael Jordan's prime years (much less Wilt, Kareem, Bird, Magic, etc.), got old really fast.  He had an extremely arrogant tone when arguing with callers as well.

That's probably why somebody gave him a TV spot.  Only a limited amount of pushback possible in a short segment.

James played 82 games one time in his career. MJ did it 9 times, and the league was a lot more physical then. If the old goats had the same technology and money, they too could have played 17+ years in today’s NBA. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I don't know where you are seeing that but I've seen team stats where FF and FR are different numbers, so I think it would have to be just times the ball was knocked lose, not necessarily recovered by the D.

So then there are 3 distinct stats which can have 3 different values? Total Fumbles, Fumbles Lost/Recovered, and Forced Fumbles? That would make sense, because otherwise he would probably be the best player of all time in forcing turnovers, but just wanted to confirm.

4 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

James played 82 games one time in his career. MJ did it 9 times, and the league was a lot more physical then. If the old goats had the same technology and money, they too could have played 17+ years in today’s NBA. 

LeBron James = 

Here's where I'm at:

The Chiefs are going to score. Our defense has been elite all season and can play with the best of them, but this is Mahomes and Reid with extra time to prepare. It would be silly to think we can shut them down, but I haven't seen that suggested in here.

This game is going to be on Hurts/Moore's shoulders. Spags is a hell of a DC and he's going to disguise and blitz frequently. We have to, HAVE TO, be cognisant of that and beat it consistently. Sure, the Chiefs have a good defense and will make plays as well, but they need to make them pay.

*If* they're able to do that, the run game should flourish with Barkley and Hurts using his legs as well. We need to play our game and control the clock. Mahomes isn't "scary" if he's on the sideline. Get a lead, protect the ball, play our game.

If we can manage to do that, I could see a 31-21 type of game. We have the talent. We have some experience. This is not going to be easy, but it's doable. The world would have you convinced that the Eagles winning would be a major upset, as if we don't belong here.

We'll see.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

if Moore goes to the saints, I’d add patullo to this list but feel like those would be the candidates 

 

McCown would be a very interesting selection.  Experience as OC or play-caller is lacking, however.  But he's definitely a guy you want around your QB - good things happen

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

So then there are 3 distinct stats which can have 3 different values? Total Fumbles, Fumbles Lost/Recovered, and Forced Fumbles? That would make sense, because otherwise he would probably be the best player of all time in forcing turnovers, but just wanted to confirm.

I believe so.   But he might be the best ever, he certainly was revolutionary in it.  Deacon Jones claims to still be the all-time sack leader, and was the one who coined the term.  The "Peanut Punch" is gaining similar popularity.   Very unvalued defender, likely due to be mired in Chicago when their teams were fairly terrible.

 

 

Here's what pro-football-reference has.  The FF is fumbles forced, regardless of which team recovered it.  The FR is fumbles recovered, against regardless of which team fumbled it.  And Fmb is how many times the player fumbled, regardless of which team recovers. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TillCh20.htm

Seems to match the every 4 games thing, but they must not have been recovered that frequently by the Bears... which isn't surprising.   A lot might have just gone out of bounds as he was punching a lot of times along the boundary.

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I highly doubt it.  He nearly retired to go into other ventures during his career before he came back here.  I don't think he has any interest in the amount of time that that job requires.

Knowing a little bit about his character and personality, him thinking about retiring early had more to do with being "shuffled around the league” as a backup - self confidence type issues more than anything else. 
 

He’s a natural leader of men and could potentially be open to a stable coaching position, with the team that he loves, in the city that he loves - knowing he can make a difference.  Wouldn’t hurt to ask if I were the Eagles. 

 

3 hours ago, jojodancer said:

I think Nick has saved a few plays for this Superbowl that we have never seen.

I'm convinced that he's going to run a fake off of a tush push. Or at least he's dying for the opportunity. So much so that it will be so transparent that the Chiefs will sniff it out. 

If we're lining up in that formation on the KC 20 yard line on third and a long yard, I have zero doubt it's going to be a fake. 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I believe so.   But he might be the best ever, he certainly was revolutionary in it.  Deacon Jones claims to still be the all-time sack leader, and was the one who coined the term.  The "Peanut Punch" is gaining similar popularity.   Very unvalued defender, likely due to be mired in Chicago when their teams were fairly terrible.

 

 

Here's what pro-football-reference has.  The FF is fumbles forced, regardless of which team recovered it.  The FR is fumbles recovered, against regardless of which team fumbled it.  And Fmb is how many times the player fumbled, regardless of which team recovers. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TillCh20.htm

Seems to match the every 4 games thing, but they must not have been recovered that frequently by the Bears... which isn't surprising.   A lot might have just gone out of bounds as he was punching a lot of times along the boundary.

The recovery stat is for fumbles recovered by Tilman - if someone else on the Bears recovered it, it would be in their stats. Pretty rare to recover a fumble that you force. 

8 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Here's where I'm at:

The Chiefs are going to score. Our defense has been elite all season and can play with the best of them, but this is Mahomes and Reid with extra time to prepare. It would be silly to think we can shut them down, but I haven't seen that suggested in here.

This game is going to be on Hurts/Moore's shoulders. Spags is a hell of a DC and he's going to disguise and blitz frequently. We have to, HAVE TO, be cognisant of that and beat it consistently. Sure, the Chiefs have a good defense and will make plays as well, but they need to make them pay.

*If* they're able to do that, the run game should flourish with Barkley and Hurts using his legs as well. We need to play our game and control the clock. Mahomes isn't "scary" if he's on the sideline. Get a lead, protect the ball, play our game.

If we can manage to do that, I could see a 31-21 type of game. We have the talent. We have some experience. This is not going to be easy, but it's doable. The world would have you convinced that the Eagles winning would be a major upset, as if we don't belong here.

We'll see.

I think the magic number is 30.  The offense needs to get over 30 points, and the defense needs to hold KC to 30.  Some turnovers for the Eagles will go a long way to helping in that.  Short fields will be good, and shorten the game limiting KC's possessions.   Lean as hard as they have on Barkley all year.  If he were to get 35 carries, I wouldn't be surprised.  A performance from him with ~35 carries for ~175 yards and 2 TDs likely equals an Eagles win.    But, I think that's the mark to aim for... over 30 points and 35 carries for Barkley.

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Knowing a little bit about his character and personality, him thinking about retiring early had more to do with being "shuffled around the league” as a backup - self confidence type issues more than anything else. 
 

He’s a natural leader of men and could potentially be open to a stable coaching position, with the team that he loves, in the city that he loves - knowing he can make a difference.  Wouldn’t hurt to ask if I were the Eagles. 

Did you hear what he said about it?  I trust his words versus a 3rd party's interpretation.  He's a great guy and a great leader.  The Eagles can ask, but as with Dawkins, both are better off with their path diverging from football.   Both serve something higher than self, city or team.

The Chiefs run D is extremely gettable, so I’m not sure where the notion that Saquon can’t piece them up is coming from in the media. Cook ran well against them on Sunday and in their regular season game. Mixon also had good games against them in the playoffs and regular season. 
 

My concern with the defense is them running up-tempo/no huddle. It’s been the weakness for the defense all year and they seem to struggle against it. Reid obviously knows that and I’d expect them to run it. Especially in the second half. 

5 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Here's where I'm at:

The Chiefs are going to score. Our defense has been elite all season and can play with the best of them, but this is Mahomes and Reid with extra time to prepare. It would be silly to think we can shut them down, but I haven't seen that suggested in here.

This game is going to be on Hurts/Moore's shoulders. Spags is a hell of a DC and he's going to disguise and blitz frequently. We have to, HAVE TO, be cognisant of that and beat it consistently. Sure, the Chiefs have a good defense and will make plays as well, but they need to make them pay.

*If* they're able to do that, the run game should flourish with Barkley and Hurts using his legs as well. We need to play our game and control the clock. Mahomes isn't "scary" if he's on the sideline. Get a lead, protect the ball, play our game.

If we can manage to do that, I could see a 31-21 type of game. We have the talent. We have some experience. This is not going to be easy, but it's doable. The world would have you convinced that the Eagles winning would be a major upset, as if we don't belong here.

We'll see.

Chiefs were actually pretty mediocre on offense this year. They were middle of the pack in scoring, but their defense actually is top 5. Most people naturally focus on quarterbacks and offenses (a byproduct of living in the hyper-analzyed fantasy football era) but nobody is talking about two of the league's best defenses helping to carry their team to the final game of the season. Both of these DCs have year of experience too so don't be shocked if this turns into a fairly low scoring affair.

3 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I'm convinced that he's going to run a fake off of a tush push. Or at least he's dying for the opportunity. So much so that it will be so transparent that the Chiefs will sniff it out. 

If we're lining up in that formation on the KC 20 yard line on third and a long yard, I have zero doubt it's going to be a fake. 

He did it against the Packers, and it failed.  🤷‍♂️