3 minutes ago, TEW said:

This is silly. No, they do not WANT rookies who will sit.

We drafted 2 starters last year. If they can play, they’ll start. It’s just that the eagles roster is so deep that it will be difficult for a rookie to break into the lineup.

But we could easily draft a DT, DE, CB, or slot WR who will get starter level snaps.

Howie has said before he wants kids that have performed at a high level in college, and not based off potential 

4 minutes ago, TEW said:

This is silly. No, they do not WANT rookies who will sit.

We drafted 2 starters last year. If they can play, they’ll start. It’s just that the eagles roster is so deep that it will be difficult for a rookie to break into the lineup.

But we could easily draft a DT, DE, CB, or slot WR who will get starter level snaps.

We lucked out with Mitchell and DeJean, exceptional value at a position of weakness.

We don't have the holes we had after 2023.

And we're picking later. We'll be looking at players like Hunt, who hardly played until the second half, but by the SB had worked his way into the edge rotation.

I've thought about 2 ways to follow up the "It's the Whole Team" speech. If they choose to do so.

1. Do a 2.0 version, just a list of the criticisms and underdog mentality
2. Do a more positive version and just cite everyone's humility, work ethic and commitment to the team over individual stats or performance.

I'm looking forward to hearing from Brandon Graham. Going out as a 2 time champion, Eagles legend. He's gonna be fired up.

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Ok. That’s not good "well into their 30’s”. There were also two bad years between his last great year and good year. He was on 4 different teams in the span. Sanders also retired at 30 so not sure how he fits either.

 

I didn’t say Saquon would have an identical career track to AP. If he had this Oline, those bad years between the good ones likely don’t happen. And Barry being the best or one of the best backs at 30 defies the cliff argument, showing his unique self preservation. That would already be year 3 for Saquon after this one. He would only need 1 more to fit the previous poster’s criteria

Been watching some random plays…Nolan Smith is a violent player who packs a punch.  Hes tenacious in run defense.

 

15 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Over the years, Dak has had some great talent to work with, multiple all pro/pro bowl talents at WR and OL.

2016:  Elliott, Dez Bryant, Tyron Smith, Federick, Martin, Lee LB

2017:  Witten, Smith, Federick, Martin, Lawrence DE

2018:  Elliott, Cooper, Smith, Martin, Lawrence, Van Der Esch, Byron Jones

2019:  Elliott, Cooper, Smith, Federick, Martin, J Smith

2021:  Lamb, Smith, Martin, Parsons, Diggs

2022: Lamb, Biadasz, Martin, Lawrence, Parsons, Diggs

2023:  Lamb, Smith, Martin, Lawrence, Parsons, Bland

2-5 playoff record.

Lawrence ain't crap and got paid...played in 4 games this year, Diggs was good, but inujured the last two years after getting paid, Elliott was good but got paid and got soft because he got paid, Lee, great leader, just could not stay healthy, same with LVE, Dak got paid, got hurt, got soft can't run, known to crap the bed in big games.

They also paid Steele (RT) way too much money, should have saved that money for Biadasz.

Basically they have paid all the wrong people...Lamb might work out.

I could go on and on, but why? It's useless and demoralizing. Just get better some time before I die. I have lived to see the Cowboys, Mavs, Stars, and Rangers (never thought I would see that), and Longhorns all win a title. I just want to see the Cowboys be relevant, and not a joke to fan bases around the league.

10 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I am a Benjamin Morrison fan and he is top half of the draft pick he didn't have his hip issue. 

 

Yeah, love that kid. Everyone is hyping Shavon Revel as the injured CB who could be a steal, but I like Morrison more.

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

We lucked out with Mitchell and DeJean, exceptional value at a position of weakness.

We don't have the holes we had after 2023.

And we're picking later. We'll be looking at players like Hunt, who hardly played until the second half, but by the SB had worked his way into the edge rotation.

Howie has picked guys that have produced in college the last few years. Not guys with just potential 

Team could use a CB, LB, DT, TE 

 

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

We lucked out with Mitchell and DeJean, exceptional value at a position of weakness.

We don't have the holes we had after 2023.

And we're picking later. We'll be looking at players like Hunt, who hardly played until the second half, but by the SB had worked his way into the edge rotation.

Jalyx Hunt is basically our typical first round pick prior to recent years.  Intriguing upside with no clear path to playing time who is realistically a couple years away…finally starts to show flashes at the end of the year.

Thats *fine* for a 1 but certainly great for a 3.

Sentimentally after the SB, I hate to let Sweat walk, but I’m really fine with Hunt there next year.

If they go that route, they just need to add quality depth.

The good thing about Saquon is that he had a couple of years early in his career where he got hurt and didn't put a lot of tread on his tires...'20 2 games played, and '21 13 games and under 200 carries...

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

Yeah, love that kid. Everyone is hyping Shavon Revel as the injured CB who could be a steal, but I like Morrison more.

Would you do Elijah Arroyo at 32? 

Just now, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I didn’t say Saquon would have an identical career track to AP. If he had this Oline, those bad years between the good ones likely don’t happen. And Barry being the best or one of the best backs at 30 defies the cliff argument, showing his unique self preservation. That would already be year 3 for Saquon after this one. He would only need 1 more to fit the previous poster’s criteria

This is moving the goal posts. You are the one that said AP, Barry and Henry "are good well into their 30’s”. Even Henry just had his age 31 season. I’m not trying to argue just to argue but I interpreted that to mean they all were good past 30. 

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

We lucked out with Mitchell and DeJean, exceptional value at a position of weakness.

We don't have the holes we had after 2023.

And we're picking later. We'll be looking at players like Hunt, who hardly played until the second half, but by the SB had worked his way into the edge rotation.

We WANT a rookie who can start. Full stop.

This is not debatable.

It’s just that at 32 and with our roster one will be difficult to find.

Hunt was a guy who made a recent position change from a small school.

That’s absolutely NOT what we are looking for in the first two rounds.

Dotson and DeJean both look like they're in high school.

 

 

First 3 rounds, go for high end production against high end competition. After that do whatever the F you want. Pick the guy that can jump to the moon and run a 4.3 but played for Wells Fargo Co-Ed, pick the 6'9 350 pound behemoth who never played football before, the guy who changed positions two years ago. Don't care. 

But those first 3 rounds need to hit.

19 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Thankful for the other teams that contributed to the Eagles win.

• Giants: gifted us Barkley and DeVonta (partial credit to the Cowboys)
• Commanders: traded to give us DeJean, and allowed us to dominate them in the NFCCG
• Titans: traded away AJ Brown, which got their GM fired
• Saints: Gave us CJGJ the first time, Baun, a 1st round pick used to get Jalen Carter, and hosted us in their stadium for our 2nd Super Bowl win. Previously Sproles and Malcolm Jenkins too. Now they get Moore from us, good luck you'll need it.
• The Bears for trading with us so we could draft Jalen Carter
• Jets for taking Reddick and his contract and Betcon, makes up for Huff
• Every team who passed on Q and DeJean so they fell to us
• Dolphins for partying and whining about hard work, sending Fangio to Philly

Any others?

Colts giving the Eagles a 1st and 3rd round pick when they were bidding against nobody and Wentz had no intention of returning to Philly.

By some analysis methods, Howie would parlay that draft capital as ammunition to acquire Devonta Smith, AJ Brown, Jalen Carter and DeJean.

Becton ain't going anywhere else.

 

 

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Colts giving the Eagles a 1st and 3rd round pick when they were bidding against nobody and Wentz had no intention of returning to Philly.

By some analysis methods, Howie would parlay that draft capital as ammunition to acquire Devonta Smith, AJ Brown, Jalen Carter and DeJean.

Of course, we can refer to the charts by @paco

2 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Would you do Elijah Arroyo at 32? 

No.

Love the player, but if I’m taking a TE in the first round they need to be an extremely "clean” prospect. Arroyo has injury issues, he needs to add weight, and he needs a lot of coaching. At 64 though? I’m starting to get interested.

Also love the kid from Bowling Green (blanking on his name), but he seems more like someone who would play Calcaterra’s role than a true in-line TE, which is what we need.

12 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

What was your most important play of the 2024 season?

Toss up for me between Saquon's TD in the snow and DeJean's pick 6. Smitty's TD was up there, but I think the game was close to decided at that point.

Barkley's TD in the NFCCG also a candidate.

Carter sack vs Stafford as well.

Carter sack vs. Stafford for me.

Nick Foles 

 

10 minutes ago, devpool said:

First 3 rounds, go for high end production against high end competition. After that do whatever the F you want. Pick the guy that can jump to the moon and run a 4.3 but played for Wells Fargo Co-Ed, pick the 6'9 350 pound behemoth who never played football before, the guy who changed positions two years ago. Don't care. 

But those first 3 rounds need to hit.

I think the formula that has worked is high end production WITH elite/unique athletic traits, combined with a clearly defined fit within the scheme.

Nolan Smith is a great case study. Obviously elite competition, elite speed, but undersized. So more of a unique athlete than a pure height weight speed type of guy.

Then you look at the tape and he plays way bigger than he is. That mentality translates to the NFL.

So his fit as an edge makes sense for Fangio (yes I realize he was drafted before Vic came here, but his production makes sense in retrospect) — he has the movement skills to drop into coverage if needed, while still being an explosive pass rusher and an absolute savage setting the edge.

The projection was minimal — can he add some strength to translate his game to the NFL level? If yes, he should be a good starter.

What you don’t want are college stars with college physical traits. That’s how you end up with busts.

12 hours ago, NOTW said:

Why not wait til after the parade and speeches? Then start the offseason with looking forward.

I believe the two threads can coexist/overlap for a week.  That way the SB focused celebrating can continue without drowning out the beginning of the offseason discussions.

JMO

Oh some of the people in the comments are PISSED. LMAO

14 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Becton ain't going anywhere else.

 

 

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