9 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I saw Kellen is interested in bringing Patullo to New Orleans. He seems like the logical choice given how late it is in the hiring season. Doubt he’d take that job over Eagles since Kellen will be calling the plays. Who else is left out there?

That was probably from Patullo's agent.  I'd imagine Nussmeier gets OC job in NO

 

https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/offensive-coordinator-candidates-replace-kellen-moore/649022/

Just now, DaEagles4Life said:

Do they need to upgrade the edge spot or get a rotational guy in there? Hunt has exploded on the scene these last few weeks and if he takes another leap then no needs for a 1st round pick on an edge. 

I think the Eagles always look to upgrade it, they're never satisfied there. They could lose two key guys Graham and Sweat. I think they're going to want to replace them with at least one guy they're very confident can produce at a high level. Even if it's not some star edge, I think they'll target a quality one in free agency and draft at least one. Maybe Reddick comes back at a major discount or they go after someone like Fowler who's been successful in rotational roles before.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

I don't see Williams getting that much. 20-25 mil a year is top 5 at the position.  There are scouts that have upwards of 50 of the top 100 players as Defensive Linemen/Edge in this year's draft.    The DT position pays well for most but only the top 5 maybe 10 elite guys are going to get that type of money moving forward, imo - There's just way too much talent out there, especially coming out of college. 

That said, if he ends up getting offered somewhere in the 12-17 mil average (which is still very good money) Howie will have some decisions to make. 

I wouldn’t entirely rule it out that they bring back Milton Williams. Back in 2016, a lot of us thought Vinny Curry was going to be gone.  he needed a new contract and he was coming off a nice year. Many didn’t think we would be able to get that contract done before free agency hit as he was so close to FA and that he’d have wanted to  test the market and likely get more than we wanted to pay. And then just before free agency Howie got it done. If he reaches free agency, I think he’s gone. somebody’s gonna overpay him because that’s how free agency works and there’s a bunch of teams with money.

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It must be nice to be Darian Kinnard. 

3 Super Bowl Rings, 0 snaps played in any of them. 

 

I think that would be awful, in a way.

2 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I think that would be awful, in a way.

If that's awful, that's an awfully easy life 

Just now, bpac55 said:

I really think people are underestimating the impact Milton Williams has. He just had 2 sacks a FF and FR in the biggest game of his life. His snap counts continue to go up and he'd be going in to his 2nd year under the Fangio defense. 

He has the same athletic tools that Aaron Donald had and it's finally starting to show every week. There's no guarantee that the next guy is going to come in and produce. Milton is just entering his prime.

Watch the Super Bowl again. That DL was FEASTING and he was an enormous part of it. I don't want that to go away. I want that DL game in and game out. A big part of that was Josh Sweat, but Milton Williams was unblockable. He can't get overpaid by another team if Howie doesn't let him out the door. 

Carter in 2 years in gonna get paid more than Chris Jones at 31 million at year. Is Howie willing to put 50 a year into one position for a few years? 

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I don't get the focus on Kelce.  Who gives a crap?   He's not a member of the organization in any way shape or form right now.   He's an alum.  Do we hold all the alum to this standard?  I didn't hear anything from Jeremy Maclin.  He must have been rooting for the Chiefs!    

Last year, the Eagles were bounced from the playoffs, and Jason got to be fully behind his brother's SB push and a push for a repeat.  It was probably a ton of fun for him, despite the ending for the Eagles.  

 

But, Jason is a member of the MEDIA now, not a member of the Philadelphia Eagles.  What he says now is completely irrelevant to the team.   And, his brother plays for the opposition.  I don't care what he says, I wouldn't care if he came out and said that he was 100% pulling for the Chiefs, because frankly, he had every right to.  I'm over seeing Kelce every time I turn on the TV.  In ads, on ESPN, he's everywhere.  That's fine.   Good for him.  

 

 

Frankly, who really cares?   Why do we expect that every former Eagles player has to be completely loyal to the franchise and not have other loyalties as well?   That's all I have to say about that, and frankly, I've wasted too much time as it is on this topic.  What Jason Kelce does in his life now and how he shares his thoughts... all of that is completely irrelevant to this franchise.  

Well said.

It's his brother, who he spent his entire life with - good times and bad - of course he's going to support him (one way or another).  Who wouldn't support their own brother?

That said, I think Jason would have wanted to see a much closer game - if it was a nail biter and the Eagles won - everyone would have left with their heads raised high, etc. 

The fact that it was domination from start to finish and his brother didn't do much is what I think bothers him.  No one wants to see their own brother get beat like that in any game, let alone the Super Bowl.  I don't blame him. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wouldn’t entirely rule it out that they bring back Milton Williams. Back in 2016, a lot of us thought Vinny Curry was going to be gone.  he needed a new contract and he was coming off a nice year. Many didn’t think we would be able to get that contract done before free agency hit as he was so close to FA and that he’d have wanted to  test the market and likely get more than we wanted to pay. And then just before free agency Howie got it done. If he reaches free agency, I think he’s gone. somebody’s gonna overpay him because that’s how free agency works and there’s a bunch of teams with money.

You also have to remember that Howie had no problem paying Fletcher Cox, Malik Jackson and Javon Hargrave at the same time.

In 2020, Cox had a cap number of $17 million, Jackson $4.6 million and Hargrave $3.5 million. 

Howie LOVES paying for elite DL/OL.

 

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think the Eagles always look to upgrade it, they're never satisfied there. They could lose two key guys Graham and Sweat. I think they're going to want to replace them with at least one guy they're very confident can produce at a high level. Even if it's not some star edge, I think they'll target a quality one in free agency and draft at least one. Maybe Reddick comes back at a major discount or they go after someone like Fowler who's been successful in rotational roles before.

No to Reddick. The Eagles are losing the two edges strongest against the run. Reddick will be two years older than when last we saw him. Huff is not the answer. I’m sure we’ll add a FA and draft a couple so, other than Reddick, I agree with everything you’re saying here.

19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I don't get the focus on Kelce.  Who gives a crap?   He's not a member of the organization in any way shape or form right now.   He's an alum.  Do we hold all the alum to this standard?  I didn't hear anything from Jeremy Maclin.  He must have been rooting for the Chiefs!    

Last year, the Eagles were bounced from the playoffs, and Jason got to be fully behind his brother's SB push and a push for a repeat.  It was probably a ton of fun for him, despite the ending for the Eagles.  

 

But, Jason is a member of the MEDIA now, not a member of the Philadelphia Eagles.  What he says now is completely irrelevant to the team.   And, his brother plays for the opposition.  I don't care what he says, I wouldn't care if he came out and said that he was 100% pulling for the Chiefs, because frankly, he had every right to.  I'm over seeing Kelce every time I turn on the TV.  In ads, on ESPN, he's everywhere.  That's fine.   Good for him.  

 

 

Frankly, who really cares?   Why do we expect that every former Eagles player has to be completely loyal to the franchise and not have other loyalties as well?   That's all I have to say about that, and frankly, I've wasted too much time as it is on this topic.  What Jason Kelce does in his life now and how he shares his thoughts... all of that is completely irrelevant to this franchise.  

I blame the Swifties. 

If he was rooting for the Chiefs and then put out a "Congratulations Eagles" tweet, I doubt many Philly fans would care. But all the swifties have to make it awkward online, which makes Jason have to carefully choose his words which then pisses off Eagles fans they don't get the simple congratulations tweet.

It's all very stupid. 

Just now, bpac55 said:

You also have to remember that Howie had no problem paying Fletcher Cox, Malik Jackson and Javon Hargrave at the same time.

In 2020, Cox had a cap number of $17 million, Jackson $4.6 million and Hargrave $3.5 million. 

Howie LOVES paying for elite DL/OL.

Cox was "the elite" guy on that line (equivalent to what Carter will eventuallly get).  The other guys were making 1/3 (or less) of what Cox was making.  So if Williams is willing to sign so something like that, knowing he will be playing along Jalen Carter (who makes everyone on that line that much better) then it's a no brainer, get it done. 

2 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Carter in 2 years in gonna get paid more than Chris Jones at 31 million at year. Is Howie willing to put 50 a year into one position for a few years? 

I'm not worried about that yet. He can front load Milton Williams contract if he wants to or structure the contract so Williams can be extended/restructured by the time Carter is due. The Eagles have the benefit of rookie deals over the next few years. Howie is a cap genius and I don't think he will have an issue working the contracts around each other. The Eagles are also losing a ton of dead cap over the next few years as the cap also goes up. 

You can bet that he's going to have a long talk with Jalen Hurts about his next extension. His cap jumps from $22 million in 2025 to $42 million in 2027. He's never seeing those numbers. Howie will extend Hurts, bring that cap hit down significantly and have room to work.

 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I blame the Swifties. 

If he was rooting for the Chiefs and then put out a "Congratulations Eagles" tweet, I doubt many Philly fans would care. But all the swifties have to make it awkward online, which makes Jason have to carefully choose his words which then pisses off Eagles fans they don't get the simple congratulations tweet.

It's all very stupid. 

Swifties are cowboys fans. Cheering for something that’s overrated and delusional on how they think. 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I'm not worried about that yet. He can front load Milton Williams contract if he wants to or structure the contract so Williams can be extended/restructured by the time Carter is due. The Eagles have the benefit of rookie deals over the next few years. Howie is a cap genius and I don't think he will have an issue working the contracts around each other. The Eagles are also losing a ton of dead cap over the next few years as the cap also goes up. 

You can bet that he's going to have a long talk with Jalen Hurts about his next extension. His cap jumps from $22 million in 2025 to $42 million in 2027. He's never seeing those numbers. Howie will extend Hurts, bring that cap hit down significantly and have room to work.

 

That's not how his contract works. He'll be seeing those numbers. It's the sacrifice of having his first three years be $6M, $13.5M, $21.8M.

There's nothing to restructure and an extension doesn't do anything. He has void years already to 2032.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I blame the Swifties. 

If he was rooting for the Chiefs and then put out a "Congratulations Eagles" tweet, I doubt many Philly fans would care. But all the swifties have to make it awkward online, which makes Jason have to carefully choose his words which then pisses off Eagles fans they don't get the simple congratulations tweet.

It's all very stupid. 

Yeah the podcast tweeted a congrats to the Eagles, and the Swifties cult were on them to disavow the Eagles, Jason to publicly address CJGJ's comments about Taylor, is this the kind of person he is and what he condones, etc. The mob/cancel culture mentality. They've taken over the podcast comment section. I stopped even watching their podcast last year. It used to be fun. 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm not worried about that yet. He can front load Milton Williams contract if he wants to or structure the contract so Williams can be extended/restructured by the time Carter is due. The Eagles have the benefit of rookie deals over the next few years. Howie is a cap genius and I don't think he will have an issue working the contracts around each other. The Eagles are also losing a ton of dead cap over the next few years as the cap also goes up. 

You can bet that he's going to have a long talk with Jalen Hurts about his next extension. His cap jumps from $22 million in 2025 to $42 million in 2027. He's never seeing those numbers. Howie will extend Hurts, bring that cap hit down significantly and have room to work.

 

I’d add to this, Milton Williams is Howie‘s guy. We all saw the video on draft night. Howie made an executive decision over what some other people in that front office thought because he believed that Milton Williams could become this type of player. To me howie will figure out the money aspect to make it work. The bigger issue is can he convince Milton Williams before reaching free agency to sign back with the Eagles. If he reaches free agency it’s more likely he’s gone cause at that point some team with a ton of cap space could just throw a ridiculous offer or structure it in a way that we shouldn’t match. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Cox was "the elite" guy on that line (equivalent to what Carter will eventuallly get).  The other guys were making 1/3 (or less) of what Cox was making.  So if Williams is willing to sign so something like that, knowing he will be playing along Jalen Carter (who makes everyone on that line that much better) then it's a no brainer, get it done. 

Keep in mind, this was 5 years ago. The cap has gone up and we have to look at inflated numbers. Cox was the elite guy yes. Carter doesn't have that contract yet and he's playing at a level Cox never did. Jordan Davis has a $5 million hit in 2025 and if they pick up his option, that's $11 million in 2026. That gives them ample space to sign Williams while he and Carter are still cheap. By then, the DT you draft this year is ready to start and Davis can move on.

The deal Hargrave signed with the Eagles was 3 years $39 million. What does that equal in today's money? Should we be expecting Hargraves 49ers deal for Williams?

Hargrave signed a 4-year $81 million contract with the 49ers 2 years ago but on December 10 of last year:

The 49ers reduced Hargraves’ base salary from $19.9 million to $2.1 million, dropping Hargraves salary cap number from $28.105 million to $10.305 million in the process. The original cost to cut Hargraves would have been either $24.86 million on the cap or $28.105 million during free agency if using the June 1. This will allow the team to designate Hargraves as a post June 1 release, count for just $10.3 million on the cap during free agency and then have it drop to and have his cap number count for $8.6 million in 2025 if Hargraves is still hurt and defer $17.485 million to 2026

Howie is MUCH better at the cap then John Lynch. If the Niners can maneuverer money like that, I have no doubt that Howie can do the same.

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That's not how his contract works. He'll be seeing those numbers. It's the sacrifice of having his first three years be $6M, $13.5M, $21.8M.

There's nothing to restructure and an extension doesn't do anything. He has void years already to 2032.

Can you explain what nothing to restructure means? Can't he sign a new deal that erases this deal? Sorry, I'm not 100% in the know of how they work, trying to understand the more I read about stuff.

Jalen Hurts seems like the guy who is going to do what's best for the team.

56 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

@just relax

thoughts on Belton and Emery Jones?

Haven't seen a lot of either one, just a few cut-outs, but I agree with what I think you are suggesting: they look like projects but with high ceilings, just the kind of raw material that Stoutland can do so much with. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d add to this, Milton Williams is Howie‘s guy. We all saw the video on draft night. Howie made an executive decision over what some other people in that front office thought because he believed that Milton Williams could become this type of player. To me howie will figure out the money aspect to make it work. The bigger issue is can he convince Milton Williams before reaching free agency to sign back with the Eagles. If he reaches free agency it’s more likely he’s gone cause at that point some team with a ton of cap space could just throw a ridiculous offer or structure it in a way that we shouldn’t match. 

Yep, been trying to drive home that point for some time now. Howie does not lose his guys. If there ever was a Howie guy, it's Milton Williams. It's on video for eternity. Agree wholeheartedly with you that he needs to get a deal done before FA though. A team is going to overpay for him. It's up to Howie to not let it get to that point. Don't let him even taste FA.

The Giants handling of Saquon Barkley is prime example of a GM saying go test your market and then having that player take the money.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d add to this, Milton Williams is Howie‘s guy. We all saw the video on draft night. Howie made an executive decision over what some other people in that front office thought because he believed that Milton Williams could become this type of player. To me howie will figure out the money aspect to make it work. The bigger issue is can he convince Milton Williams before reaching free agency to sign back with the Eagles. If he reaches free agency it’s more likely he’s gone cause at that point some team with a ton of cap space could just throw a ridiculous offer or structure it in a way that we shouldn’t match. 

To me, he's basically already reached free agency. I wouldn't doubt his agent already knows the range of what he'll get on the open market and tampering already has taken place. The time to convince Williams to sign was last offseason and its no secret Howie is always out on top of these things. The fact that he didn't leads me to believe one of two things.1) Howie isn't interested in re-signing him (doubtful). 2) Williams wants to get paid by whoever offers the most.

29 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I don't get the focus on Kelce.  Who gives a crap?   He's not a member of the organization in any way shape or form right now.   He's an alum.  Do we hold all the alum to this standard?  I didn't hear anything from Jeremy Maclin.  He must have been rooting for the Chiefs!    

Last year, the Eagles were bounced from the playoffs, and Jason got to be fully behind his brother's SB push and a push for a repeat.  It was probably a ton of fun for him, despite the ending for the Eagles.  

 

But, Jason is a member of the MEDIA now, not a member of the Philadelphia Eagles.  What he says now is completely irrelevant to the team.   And, his brother plays for the opposition.  I don't care what he says, I wouldn't care if he came out and said that he was 100% pulling for the Chiefs, because frankly, he had every right to.  I'm over seeing Kelce every time I turn on the TV.  In ads, on ESPN, he's everywhere.  That's fine.   Good for him.  

 

 

Frankly, who really cares?   Why do we expect that every former Eagles player has to be completely loyal to the franchise and not have other loyalties as well?   That's all I have to say about that, and frankly, I've wasted too much time as it is on this topic.  What Jason Kelce does in his life now and how he shares his thoughts... all of that is completely irrelevant to this franchise.  

I agree with your points. Not all former players are questioned if they don't post a congratulations. And he's a member of the media now.

However, I see the point from people that think it was odd he all of a sudden disappeared. After he retired, he kept showing up at NovaCare, made a big spectacle at the Eagles home opener with a skit with Dom, dancing in the South Philly track suit leading a tailgate party and all that. He made another Philly Christmas album. It's like former Cowboys players that constantly hype the Cowboys even though they're in the media. It's not like he retired and we didn't hear from him.

Of course he's going to root for his brother, his relationship with him came first. A simple congrats to both teams would have sufficed. But he also wears his heart on his sleeve and is very emotional. He ended up writing a novel so he probably was drunk (maybe Kylie took his phone lol) and wanted to wait to form his words. Seeing what happened with the Swifties cult mob, it makes sense now. He has his "brand" and media personality career and doesn't want controversy. 

I think part of the issue with Jason is a lot of Eagles fans are actually getting sick of him. He and Travis are on all these commercials, TV shows, etc. Jason makes himself the center of attention a lot. Then for him to be silent about his team winning was unusual. But it's really not that big a deal. I do think extreme reactions one way or the other are odd and funny though. 

6 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

 

Look how Chris Jones is lined up sideways with a guy behind to push him.  Jones got smoked three yards back into the end zone with Hurts rolling on top of him.

I'd like to have this shot as a nice poster for my man cave.

I found the Chiefs hypothetical approach to defending the shove as an interesting evolution of defending it.  But the application of it was just bad. 

I'm sure another team will look at it and push the theory on. But likewise, the Eagles can move the process on too.