1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Lol you got to it first. I was looking for a gif

Send all the Swifties to RnR and CVON. 

 

55 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I blame the Swifties. 

It's all very stupid. 

I see a correlation here.

16 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Calcaterra, while he still has room to improve, has shown he's at least a willing blocker. He's far from great, but it's not like he's shying away from contact. 

Calculator isn't a Y tight end, we would need to add a bigger body in the draft.  Usually, TEs take a little while to adjust so I'd rather keep Goedert as a bridge.

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Between Sweat and Williams do you think they would have success on other teams (depending on which team and talent around them of course), or do you think either of them would be playing worse because they wouldn't be benefiting from the talent here and Fangio's coaching?

 

Tbh i think sweat benefits more from everyone around him. I actually think Milton williams is likely going to be good somewhere else. Then again I’ve been high on Milton williams since we drafted him. 

4 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

TEW wanted the tackle the Chiefs had on the bench too

Suamtaia was always a long term project. I wouldn’t have been expecting him to start as a rookie for a Super Bowl contender.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

OK, this is my only argument to everybody saying it’s definitive that becton is going to be back. I get he’s grateful to the Eagles for allowing him to get back into loving football and being the player that he was this year. There’s also the chance that the Eagles and stoutland think that Tyler Steen can make the jump to where Becton was this year and is cheaper for the next two years than paying becton so they can allocate the money else where

Do I think it’s more likely becton is back than Milton Williams? Yeah I think it’s more likely. Do I think he’s more likely to just be back? Yes, I do. But I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibilities that if Jeff stoutland thinks that Tyler Steen can make the jump to where becton was this year next year or close to it that the eagles allocate that money elsewhere and take the comp pick they are going to get. Don’t forget it took seumalo until his 3rd year to play at a starting level. Where steen is and stoutland/eagles took him in the 3rd round 

That's fair. We completely trust Stoutland on that.

My point is, if THEY want Becton, I think they'll get him. But if they like Steen and roll with him and they can save money, go for it. I'd like to keep Becton, but again I trust Stoutland. And their roster is such that they can continue to draft and develop without immediate starter need and continue the linemen domination. 

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Calculator isn't a Y tight end, we would need to add a bigger body in the draft.  Usually, TEs take a little while to adjust so I'd rather keep Goedert as a bridge.

Adding a tight end cause the calculator isn’t a TI graphing calculator 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Adding a tight end cause the calculator isn’t a TI graphing calculator 

Pretty much.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh i think sweat benefits more from everyone around him. I actually think Milton williams is likely going to be good somewhere else. Then again I’ve been high on Milton williams since we drafted him. 

That's where I was leaning. I think both can be good elsewhere. But sometimes guys leave a strong team, go to a weaker team that has a need, they get a big contract and their play isn't quite as good. I think Williams has developed really well into a starter and will do well somewhere. Sweat I think is on the downturn.

Last offseason the reports were they were going to trade Sweat or Reddick. I think they let Sweat walk in free agency this year.

7 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Between Sweat and Williams do you think they would have success on other teams (depending on which team and talent around them of course), or do you think either of them would be playing worse because they wouldn't be benefiting from the talent here and Fangio's coaching?

 

I think Sweat was playing for a contract.  I'd be very wary of expecting effort from him for 17 games after he gets paid.  He was already inconsistent.  With him I'd say thank you very much for the Super Bowl and good luck

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

That's fair. We completely trust Stoutland on that.

My point is, if THEY want Becton, I think they'll get him. But if they like Steen and roll with him and they can save money, go for it. I'd like to keep Becton, but again I trust Stoutland. And their roster is such that they can continue to draft and develop without immediate starter need and continue the linemen domination. 

It’s definitely a discussion that’s probably taken place with stoutland. If they believe steen can be as good or close to becton in 2025 then i think it makes sense to go steen due to financials and getting a comp pick for becton. If they don’t feel that way then i think they should sign becton. But like you said it comes down to stoutland. Whatever he says probably should listen to it 

42 minutes ago, NOTW said:

 

This is why I think they will repeat. Brown's comments, Howie was already preparing the offseason the weeks leading up to the Super Bowl. Fangio was reflective but still focused. Hurts is still stoic and all business. They're all enjoying this, but they're still hungry. They know what team they have, they know they can win more. The Georgia Dawgs are used to winning.

Their mentality this year was a huge change from last year's collapse. The playoff games cemented it, they are aggressive and focused. I hope the offseason disatractions with celebrations, media appearances and such aren't too much and they can take their vacations and rest and then come back ready for more.

I'll add that they ALSO have been around guys like Cox, Graham, Kelce, Johnson, etc. in recent years who got to the top of the mountain, and then quickly fell off the cliff.  Landing at the bottom hurts more when you start from higher up.  I think they want to avoid that, as well as the pain of how last season ended.   That was just flat out embarrassing for all of them (Fangio, excluded) and they want to make sure that sort of thing doesn't happen again.   Losing would suck, but getting embarrassed would be far worse.

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I think Sweat was playing for a contract.  I'd be very wary of expecting effort from him for 17 games after he gets paid.  He was already inconsistent.  With him I'd say thank you very much for the Super Bowl and good luck

He has said he was trying to get a big deal

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

That's where I was leaning. I think both can be good elsewhere. But sometimes guys leave a strong team, go to a weaker team that has a need, they get a big contract and their play isn't quite as good. I think Williams has developed really well into a starter and will do well somewhere. Sweat I think is on the downturn.

Last offseason the reports were they were going to trade Sweat or Reddick. I think they let Sweat walk in free agency this year.

If they had the money they were paying huff to use on Milton or sweat, i think they’d easily choose Milton 

Just now, DaEagles4Life said:

He has said he was trying to get a big deal

Right and thanks forever for the SB production and best of luck 

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I have a lot to learn about contracts. So damn confusing. 

OK so for 2025, OTC has Hurts base salary at $1.17 million. Prorated bonus's at $4.6 million signing and $16 million option. Those numbers all together equal his cap number of $21.8 million. Where does the $42 million guaranteed salary come from?

He has a $41.33M option bonus + his base salary of $1.17M. The way the websites are showing it already has the option bonuses prorated over 5 years. But he's getting that $42M all in 2025.

The $16M Option number is calculated by 

2024: Option bonus $38.875M / 5 = $7,775,000

2025 Option Bonus $41.33M / 5 = $8,266,000

$7,775,000 + $8,266,000 = $16,041,000

 

That's why I say those larger numbers are unavoidable. Because when he has a $42M cap number in 2027, $36M of that is from 2024, 2025, 2026 and 2027 Option Bonuses. And if they are already paid, there's not much you can with the accounting of it since the CBA only lets you spread it out 5 years from when the bonus was paid. 

25 minutes ago, RLC said:

I wouldn't be surprised if we trade Goedert this year. His value will never be higher and this is the draft to replace him. Excellent player who is hurt every year. It's the first time in years we can trade him and actually gain cap space. 

Howie doesn't trade away players very often. Certainly he has done it - Wentz, McNabb, and Ertz come immediately to mind, but there were good reasons for those trades. Mostly he trades picks, picks for picks and picks for players. I also think he concerns himself with the locker room. Trading a popular player like Goedert isn't his style.

I could be wrong, and often am.

36 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Keep in mind, this was 5 years ago. The cap has gone up and we have to look at inflated numbers. Cox was the elite guy yes. Carter doesn't have that contract yet and he's playing at a level Cox never did. Jordan Davis has a $5 million hit in 2025 and if they pick up his option, that's $11 million in 2026. That gives them ample space to sign Williams while he and Carter are still cheap. By then, the DT you draft this year is ready to start and Davis can move on.

The deal Hargrave signed with the Eagles was 3 years $39 million. What does that equal in today's money? Should we be expecting Hargraves 49ers deal for Williams?

Hargrave signed a 4-year $81 million contract with the 49ers 2 years ago but on December 10 of last year:

The 49ers reduced Hargraves’ base salary from $19.9 million to $2.1 million, dropping Hargraves salary cap number from $28.105 million to $10.305 million in the process. The original cost to cut Hargraves would have been either $24.86 million on the cap or $28.105 million during free agency if using the June 1. This will allow the team to designate Hargraves as a post June 1 release, count for just $10.3 million on the cap during free agency and then have it drop to and have his cap number count for $8.6 million in 2025 if Hargraves is still hurt and defer $17.485 million to 2026

Howie is MUCH better at the cap then John Lynch. If the Niners can maneuverer money like that, I have no doubt that Howie can do the same.

Hargrave's 2022 season was exceptional he had 11.5 sacks at DT and he regularly got 6 or more,  Williams has 11.5 sacks for his entire career to date, he shouldn't get near Hargrave money, for me he'd be looking at maybe a shade above Davis' 5th year option or thereabouts.

If you look at a lot of middle of the road DT contracts they tend to be gaudy headline numbers but sensible guarantees, so something akin to what Vita Vea signed in 2022, 4 years $70million headline but only $40odd million guaranteed might be enough to get it done, if another team is willing to go beyond that then you'd have a decision because he's very much in the good but not outstanding bracket, and he plays next to a straight up beast who makes everyone look better.

44 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I was one of those who was against Kelce's podcast right from the beginning; it always rubbed me the wrong way.  In the offseason?  No problem.  During the season?  No damn way.  Too much distraction, your focus becomes diluted and when the wrong thing gets said in that forum it becomes a distraction in the locker room.

This morning I heard a report on NFL Radio that Steve Smith was upset Cam Newton said on the Travis Hunter Show, "When I got to Carolina it was a room full of losers."  When I quit laughing at more Cam Newton stupidity my next thought was "how the F does Travis Hunter have his own show?  He hasn't even played a down in the NFL yet!"

If I was an NFL GM, and he was on my draft board, I'd be telling Hunter it'll be written into his contract that his piddly-ass 'show' gets mothballed during each NFL season.

Good luck with that.   Parsons has one.  Slay has one.   Kelce had one.   Tons of guys have them now.   This is the way of the world now.   We saw the same thing with the Sixers and McLane.  This is the world that today's athlete has grown up in.  They don't know anything different.

I still don't see Becton getting re-signed unless he takes a massive discount or his market just isn't robust and he sits around a few days. I think Howie is going to prioritize giving Jurgens an extension over Becton.

Anyone else wake up since Sunday with "Fly Eagles Fly" and/or "We Are The Champions" playing in your head or is it just me?

RAS Compare season yet?

 

I also think the move is Williams and Baun...  Any chance we trade Jordan Davis?

 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It must be nice to be Darian Kinnard. 

3 Super Bowl Rings, 0 snaps played in any of them. 

 

He actually got the 3-peat!     

 

The list is 2 names long now.   Ken Norton, Jr. and Darian Kinnard.   What a time to be alive!

4 minutes ago, just relax said:

Howie doesn't trade away players very often. Certainly he has done it - Wentz, McNabb, and Ertz come immediately to mind, but there were good reasons for those trades. Mostly he trades picks, picks for picks and picks for players. I also think he concerns himself with the locker room. Trading a popular player like Goedert isn't his style.

I could be wrong, and often am.

This is one reason why I also think they extend Jordan Davis.  Some have said that he has not lived up to his draft status, which might be technically true.  However, neither has he been a complete bust. He is dominant against the run, and even got a couple sacks in the last couple games.  Howie may like the idea of keeping the Georgia guys together as long as possible, if for no other reason than to keep Carter happy

 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I still don't see Becton getting re-signed unless he takes a massive discount or his market just isn't robust and he sits around a few days. I think Howie is going to prioritize giving Jurgens an extension over Becton.

I think steen is also factored into their decision if that’s the route they go. Steen was a 3rd round pick. Frankly it took seumalo til year 3 to get to being a starter. I still think steen can be a good starting guard