1 hour ago, garingovt2000 said:

More RAS compare when considering Ojomo to take over for Williams 

They underrate arm length in these comparisons - Milton has to do a lot to overcome 31.5" arms while Mojo has some real leverage advantages.

 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Also have to factor in injuries. Going to two Super Bowls and only missing 1 starter between both is absurd. They clearly have been doing something that works but just bad luck alone changes that. We saw some of that this year but they were still fortunate they weren't season ending injuries. 

Just look what happened to the Lions. No team can overcome that. 

This is one of the reasons I’m not as enthused about trading for Garrett as most are. Obviously he’s a monster and would make our team better, but what’s the opportunity cost? If you give up a first and second round pick and then give up $25M in cap space, that’s 4 starters for one star.

I think I’d rather have Becton, Baun, and the 32nd and 64th draft picks. Keep the what is already a loaded roster together and add depth/future starters. That way we should be able to handle injuries better.

8 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Baun and Williams were always the priority to me in that order. Baun is a must re-sign based on how he played this year and Nakobe most likely missing the beginning of next season. The Becton part gets interesting depending on if they view him as a future RT after Lane retires. Sweat played incredible but likely played himself into big money that they probably won't shell out between having Hunt, Smith, and a deep edge rusher draft class coming up. 

Yes, Steen showed me enough to think that Becton is a luxury right now. Becton could be a possible Lane Johnson replacement. But Lane Johnson may not retire for a couple more years. And I'm not sold he would be good enough in pass protection over there. They invested a 3rd rounder in Steen and think that we end up losing Becton if someone offers him a lucrative long term deal. Unfortunately. I would be good with 2 years for 25M with incentives. But that may be  a pipe dream.

Just now, jojodancer said:

Yes Steen showed me enough to think that Becton is a luxury right now. Becton could be a possible Lane Johnson replacement. But Lane Johnson may not retire for a couple more years. And I'm not sold he would be good enough in pass protection over there. They invested a 3rd rounder in Steen and think that we end up losing Becton if someone offers him a lucrative long term deal. Unfortunately.ni would be good with 2 years for 25M with incentives. But may be P a pipe dream.

Yeah I don't think the dropoff from Becton to Steen is nearly as drastic as Baun to whoever they would have replace him. 

So... just to throw this out there... 

 

IF the Eagles make the Super Bowl next year, it might be the FIRST TIME in their history that they'd be wearing WHITE jerseys for the championship, since the back to back games of 1948 and 1949.  In1960, 1980, 2004, 2017, 2022, and 2024 they wore green.   For some reason, the Eagles wore green in 2017 because the Patriots chose to wear white, as the home team... maybe they bought into the jersey color mattering for the game (16 out of last 21 winning teams wore white jerseys)... the Eagles won 2 of those!!!

1 minute ago, jojodancer said:

Yes Steen showed me enough to think that Becton is a luxury right now. Becton could be a possible Lane Johnson replacement. But Lane Johnson may not retire for a couple more years. And I'm not sold he would be good enough in pass protection over there. They invested a 3rd rounder in Steen and think that we end up losing Becton if someone offers him a lucrative long term deal. Unfortunately.ni would be good with 2 years for 25M with incentives. But may be P a pipe dream.

I’m not sure how Becton can be considered a luxury. We are a run first team and he’s arguably our best run blocker. The entire offense is built around the ability of our OL to maul people and wipe out the second level of the defense.

Plus keeping Steen on the bench allows us to absorb injuries, like we saw in the NFCCG, without the entire offensive dynamic falling apart.

People keep thinking we can just throw anyone into the starting lineup on the OL because of Stoutland. That’s not how this works. The OL is amazing because we have amazing talent.

6 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Yeah I don't think the dropoff from Becton to Steen is nearly as drastic as Baun to whoever they would have replace him. 

You're looking at  2 potential pro bowlers every year with Baun and Williams. Williams will start getting more snaps with a big contract and his stats should go through the roof next to Carter.

9 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Baun and Williams were always the priority to me in that order. Baun is a must re-sign based on how he played this year and Nakobe most likely missing the beginning of next season. The Becton part gets interesting depending on if they view him as a future RT after Lane retires. Sweat played incredible but likely played himself into big money that they probably won't shell out between having Hunt, Smith, and a deep edge rusher draft class coming up. 

I must really be missing something on the FA front. Baun #1 but Becton is #2, IMO. You just don't find guys that big and athletic, especially if the team is drafting in the 30s for years to come. There is too much fantasy involved that Stout can turn anyone into a star. Williams is a nice player. He succeeds to a degree because of Carter, as would any decent player next to Carter. This is a run first team. Becton is a good pass blocker and an exceptional road grader. What am I missing in people's opinion that he and Baun are unicorns and Williams is a good horse?

Looked at the consensus board from last year - https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2024/consensus-big-board-2024

We got 

Mitchell who was ranked 14th at 22
DeJean ranked 22 at 40
Hunt ranked 126 at 94 (Small school)
Shipley ranked 129 at 127 
Smith ranked 139 at 152
Trotter Jr. ranked 93 at 155
Keegan ranked 193 at 172
Wilson ranked 112 at 185

Any point to this post?  Not really 

 

27 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Good one.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Good news for Michigan.

Becton isn't the top dog on this OL, he's #5. Extending Jurgens is more important than keeping Becton.

Not just Steen, but Keegan should make a big jump in his second season.

While Steen can fill in at LT, with 33" arms his future is at OG. They need a 3rd OT.

5 minutes ago, TEW said:

I’m not sure how Becton can be considered a luxury. We are a run first team and he’s arguably our best run blocker. The entire offense is built around the ability of our OL to maul people and wipe out the second level of the defense.

Plus keeping Steen on the bench allows us to absorb injuries, like we saw in the NFCCG, without the entire offensive dynamic falling apart.

People keep thinking we can just throw anyone into the starting lineup on the OL because of Stoutland. That’s not how this works. The OL is amazing because we have amazing talent.

Same goes for the DL. Ojomo is the Steen of the DL. Milton Williams is a destructive force. Moro Ojomo is a nice rotational DL. 

Do you have more faith in Ojomo coming in and giving the team what Milton Williams has, or Steen coming in and replacing Becton? I don't think we've seen the best from Williams yet either. Another year of Carter and Williams ascending in a 2nd year under Vic's defense...man that's exciting to think about.

The bottom line Williams is a stud next to Carter and he knows that. Which is probably big for him in his decision. Defensive line requires depth with a rotation. Imagine if Carter goes down next year with no Williams. You have Davis who can't play many snaps and Ojomo who is nice. But then not much depth behind them. I think right guard with the Eagles has been fine with solid offensive linemen with the Suamalos of the world etc. Steen is solid and cheap. Think Eagles like Keegan if Steen goes down. I'm stuck on that we have a Superbowl defense. You can afford to lose Sweat and Slay maybe and that's it. We can afford to lose Becton more if that makes sense.

54 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

I don't think so.  There was an interview with Fangio early in the season (or maybe the preseason) where he basically said that NT was the most important position.  You either have one or you don't.  

It's why they're going to keep Davis, he's a true NT and they're really hard to find. Much easier to find pass rush DT/3-4 DE types.

Davis allows them to play base defense with both safeties deep. Goes off the field when his job is done, getting the other team into 2nd and 3rd and long where you can go 4-2-5.

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

That might be the greatest thing I've ever seen....LMFAO

14 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Any chance because DE class is so deep some of the top options (Williams, Green, Stewart) fall to us?

I doubt it. DEs are among the most coveted positions, and the other most coveted positions — OT and QB — are really weak this year.

It’s also a weak first round overall, so it’s not like there are a bunch of WRs or whatever who are going to push players down to us.

If we are looking for a big time talent to slip to us, my guess would be one of the injured CBs who could have been top 10 picks — Benjamin Morrison or Shavon Revel.

7 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

I must really be missing something on the FA front. Baun #1 but Becton is #2, IMO. You just don't find guys that big and athletic, especially if the team is drafting in the 30s for years to come. There is too much fantasy involved that Stout can turn anyone into a star. Williams is a nice player. He succeeds to a degree because of Carter, as would any decent player next to Carter. This is a run first team. Becton is a good pass blocker and an exceptional road grader. What am I missing in people's opinion that he and Baun are unicorns and Williams is a good horse?

Milton Williams is 6-3 290 and has the same athletic traits that Aaron Donald has. He's not AD, but if you're talking about finding guys who are big and athletic, Williams is 100% that.

19 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Cut and resign

Looking at Spotrac, if I have this right, we already have $29mm in dead money for 2025 from prior players.  Cutting Slay triggers at least another $9mm in 2025.  And that's before something happens with Huff who has a huge number.  

52 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Yeah but we kind of forced him to play for a contract by asking him to restructure his last year rather than extend last year.

I think he's more consistent than he's given credit for, he's not absolutely top of the line but he's generally good for ~ 6-8 sacks a season, and Bryce Huff is the living proof of how hard it is even for the best front offices to find guys that can do that consistently.

Huff is the issue actually, if he'd performed anywhere near expectations then you can probably let Sweat go, but letting Sweat leave the building with BG means you're betting next years pass rush on the 32nd pick hitting the ground running and Hunt making a big sophomore leap.

Smith and Hunt will be starters next year. Huff situational pass rusher. So we're talking adding #4/#5.

Didn't miss Reddick, won't miss Sweat. Howie will figure something out.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Same goes for the DL. Ojomo is the Steen of the DL. Milton Williams is a destructive force. Moro Ojomo is a nice rotational DL. 

Do you have more faith in Ojomo coming in and giving the team what Milton Williams has, or Steen coming in and replacing Becton? I don't think we've seen the best from Williams yet either. Another year of Carter and Williams ascending in a 2nd year under Vic's defense...man that's exciting to think about.

The difference is money and ability to replace them.

Williams is going to get PAID. Like, possibly $100 million. You could keep Baun AND Becton for his cost.

And this draft class is absolutely loaded with athletic, penetrating DTs. There is no 6’7 370 pound OL who can step in and dominate as a run blocker while also possibly replacing Johnson in the future.

2 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

The bottom line Williams is a stud next to Carter and he knows that. Which is probably big for him in his decision. Defensive line requires depth with a rotation. Imagine if Carter goes down next year with no Williams. You have Davis who can't play many snaps and Ojomo who is nice. But then not much depth behind them. I think right guard with the Eagles has been fine with solid offensive linemen with the Suamalos of the world etc. Steen is solid and cheap. Think Eagles like Keegan if Steen goes down. I'm stuck on that we have a Superbowl defense. You can afford to lose Sweat and Slay maybe and that's it. We can afford to lose Becton more if that makes sense.

This is where I am. I'm riding the high of watching this defense just decimate KC and the best QB in the NFL. The DL won that game for them. Milton Williams could have been in the running for MVP. Like you said, this isn't just a Milton Williams thing. It's Williams and Carter playing side by side. It's their on field snaps growing next year. Williams is everything the Eagles wanted Broderick Bunkley to be.

With Carter and Williams, the Eagles have a chance to have Jerome Brown and Fletcher Cox light lining up side by side for years to come. Yes, I think Williams can be that good. 

 

The more I think about the more I like Frank Reich as OC or at a least senior assistant.  He is tight with Sirianni and probably won't be at risk to leave for HC position.  If they can keep Patullo and bring in Reich, that would be the best scenario IMO.