7 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

The bottom line Williams is a stud next to Carter and he knows that. Which is probably big for him in his decision. Defensive line requires depth with a rotation. Imagine if Carter goes down next year with no Williams. You have Davis who can't play many snaps and Ojomo who is nice. But then not much depth behind them. I think right guard with the Eagles has been fine with solid offensive linemen with the Suamalos of the world etc. Steen is solid and cheap. Think Eagles like Keegan if Steen goes down. I'm stuck on that we have a Superbowl defense. You can afford to lose Sweat and Slay maybe and that's it. We can afford to lose Becton more if that makes sense.

If Carter goes down, Williams is in deep trouble, b/c while he's great one on one, he's dead meat against double teams.

You can compensate losing good players, but no team can really make up the loss of an elite player.

For all the people who got upset when Jalen said this.

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is where I am. I'm riding the high of watching this defense just decimate KC and the best QB in the NFL. The DL won that game for them. Milton Williams could have been in the running for MVP. Like you said, this isn't just a Milton Williams thing. It's Williams and Carter playing side by side. It's their on field snaps growing next year. Williams is everything the Eagles wanted Broderick Bunkley to be.

With Carter and Williams, the Eagles have a chance to have Jerome Brown and Fletcher Cox light lining up side by side for years to come. Yes, I think Williams can be that good. 

Yeah. We know Howie loves the trenches. And maybe he pulls off getting Becton too on a bridge type deal. And I would love that, but given the choice between the two. No brainer on keeping Williams. He's just a budding star right now with that confirmation in his Superbowl performance. You don't let those go.

6 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

The more I think about the more I like Frank Reich as OC or at a least senior assistant.  He is tight with Sirianni and probably won't be at risk to leave for HC position.  If they can keep Patullo and bring in Reich, that would be the best scenario IMO.

Who's the playcaller in the best scenario (I guess Frank took back playcalling recently in CAR, but Dougie P was doing it here - can't remember the arrangement in Indy)?

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

If Carter goes down, Williams is in deep trouble, b/c while he's great one on one, he's dead meat against double teams.

You can compensate losing good players, but no team can really make up the loss of an elite player.

I get that! But we are in much more further doo doo with the scenario I presented here. And if Milton Williams gets double teamed it creates opportunities for others. More comfortable from a depth standpoint with Williams here.

27 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Yeah I don't think the dropoff from Becton to Steen is nearly as drastic as Baun to whoever they would have replace him. 

Maybe not as drastic but still significant.

9 minutes ago, Miami said:

Looking at Spotrac, if I have this right, we already have $29mm in dead money for 2025 from prior players.  Cutting Slay triggers at least another $9mm in 2025.  And that's before something happens with Huff who has a huge number.  

Post June 1 cut results in a 4M cap savings.

19 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I’m just gonna say that I still believe the coaching staff was hiding Hurts after his early season struggles and didn’t really trust him for much of the season. I said some time in the past 4-6 weeks that if we didn’t win the Super Bowl that it would be because of the QB. 

Hurts stepped up big time and turned the clock back to 2022 in the NFC championship game and Super Bowl. That’s awesome. I would like to see more of that in 2025. 

I don’t agree with that.  There is a great section in the book, The Power of Habit, that talks about Dungy’s approach to changing habits.  I feel that Nussmeier and Moore did just that with Hurts and we saw changes pretty quick.  Gone were the fumbles and interceptions but we also saw Hurts accept some sacks, throw the ball away when appropriate and utilize the check down in his progression (while actually having a check down - looking at you Nick and Patullo). 

I remember having a discussion about Hurts missing what appeared to be an open receiver he had obviously looked at but in truth he progressed past that receiver, who wasn’t open when Jalen looked at the next receiver in the progression.  I mentioned back then that I was seeing progress.  I think @just relax even put up some All22 film on that.  

I do worry about losing Nuss.
 

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

For all the people who got upset when Jalen said this.

Glad he changed his shoes - those reds ones didn't seem right.

32 minutes ago, TEW said:

I’m not sure how Becton can be considered a luxury. We are a run first team and he’s arguably our best run blocker. The entire offense is built around the ability of our OL to maul people and wipe out the second level of the defense.

Plus keeping Steen on the bench allows us to absorb injuries, like we saw in the NFCCG, without the entire offensive dynamic falling apart.

People keep thinking we can just throw anyone into the starting lineup on the OL because of Stoutland. That’s not how this works. The OL is amazing because we have amazing talent.

There are a couple of theories relative to how we offset our FA losses via the draft.

It is a deep DL draft.  We would have the opportunity to find talent even with our picks being at the end of the rounds.  On the other hand, we have done very well taking day two OL talent and handing them over to Stoutland. 

We could actually take both approaches this year.  I am more curious than concerned about whom we keep from Williams, Sweat, and Becton.

Becton has been really good, it's not that he wouldn't be great to keep, it's just that if it's him vs Milton Williams I'm keeping Milton Williams. Milton Williams is a young stud DT, those are not easy to find and I want to keep this D together. But I'm fine keeping Becton if they can't keep Milt.

15 hours ago, Utebird said:

Has Lane Johnson passed Jason Kelce as the eagles best OL of all time?

I still have Peters as #1.  Lane #2 and Jason #3.

Another point here with Becton. Yes, he's a road grader and this year we featured an abnormally run heavy offense with Barkley and it worked out great. But Steen is better in pass protection. Suspect this offense becomes less run heavy and starts using their expensive set of receivers more next year. I am good with that idea. This was a little one sided this year. I believe they become more diversified next year like they were in the playoffs. Barkely is gonna need a little less snaps too as he gets older. If the hit is to lose Becton to keep our Superbowl defense together I have to do it.

 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

 

I cry shenanigans.....we all know the the Bengals didn't have a defense this year!

47 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

My father is rolling over in his grave…he would’ve hated this

6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Post June 1 cut results in a 4M cap savings.

Yes, can see that.  But we still absorb $9mm in dead money in 2025 and another $13mm in 2026 (I think).  With these void years, don't think the 'bill' goes away, just gets extended into the future and then comes due when the contract is terminated, unless you extend the player.  This is also before Bradberry so Howie really has his work cut out for him.  Huff is almost unmovable right now.

39 minutes ago, just relax said:

Good news for Michigan.

Agreed

1 minute ago, Miami said:

Yes, can see that.  But we still absorb $9mm in dead money in 2025 and another $13mm in 2026 (I think).  With these void years, don't think the 'bill' goes away, just gets extended into the future and then comes due when the contract is terminated, unless you extend the player.  This is also before Bradberry so Howie really has his work cut out for him.  Huff is almost unmovable right now.

No if we cut him post June then the 9M is the final cap hit for Slay.  We'd still have to pay another player to replace him of course but we wouldn't have any more cap liability for Slay.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Put me into the group who believes that day is coming because it's quite unlikely Travis Kelce is straight

 

Is he playing some sort of long con? 

Just now, Miami said:

Yes, can see that.  But we still absorb $9mm in dead money in 2025 and another $13mm in 2026 (I think).  With these void years, don't think the 'bill' goes away, just gets extended into the future and then comes due when the contract is terminated, unless you extend the player.  This is also before Bradberry so Howie really has his work cut out for him.  Huff is almost unmovable right now.

Here is one thing I've learned, for all the "capologists" on here....we/they don't know 5% of what Howie and his team do.  They live, eat and breathe this every second of every day.  Until the Eagles can't sign anyone and have to cut everyone, I'll never worry about the cap and this crew managing it.  

15 hours ago, TEW said:

I’m actually not super enthused by the EDGE players projected to be available at 32. Most seem to be tweeners, and Green sounds like he has massive off field red flags.

Tweeners?  Do you mean like BG?

What characteristics are you looking for?

29 minutes ago, RLC said:

For all the people who got upset when Jalen said this.

I just hope he has enough saved for next month's rent.  

28 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I had the same reaction as Brady.  I didn't totally get it at first, but it was an excellent line and well delivered.