1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yeah I'm probably as far as you can get from being a Howie Roseman fanboy, but he's been drafting extremely well in recent years.

Same.

1 hour ago, jojodancer said:

Howie always gets more draft picks. Never an issue. Looking like a genius right now with what he did in 3rd round securing 3 extra picks in  moving down 16 slots from 78 to 94 and then getting Jalyx Hunt in the end anyway.

Last year's draft is amazing, not just from the standpoint of really good picks, but securing more picks in latter 2024 draft and some for 2025. He will continue that trend I'm sure, especially once comp picks roll around in 2026.

 

That is correct and to compilation below shows that. In addition it shows that in the end the Pickett trade started as Pickett plus a Round 4 pick for a Round 3 pick, but Howie converted that Round 4 pick into a 2025 Round 3 pick.  So Pickett only cost two 7th Round picks plus the timing of the Round 3 pick.

 

 

2 hours ago, RLC said:

OL/DL/TE in our first 3 picks. Would be stunned if it's not those 3. All I want is a TE2 who can block an EDGE...

I expect DL/DL/TE

2 hours ago, RLC said:

I worry that he's going to battle Carter to a draw. Smith can handle him 1 on 1.

Time will tell.  It should be a great back and forth battle.  My money is on Carter.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

Time will tell.  It should be a great back and forth battle.  My money is on Carter.

If you're right, we're winning the SB by double digits.

1 hour ago, UK Eagle said:

TE is a bigger priority than OL, certainly higher up in the draft. Goedert will get dinged again, so an heir needs to be found at some point

Mason Taylor from LSU and Elijah Arroyo from Miami should be available in Round 3.  Both would be good additions.

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

If you're right, we're winning the SB by double digits.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but who was the last person to shut him down one on one? He only has to win a few times to make a huge impact on the game.

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

It's hard to discuss the draft before free agency.  And it's naive to discuss free agency without considering the draft.

As stated before, this is a deep DL draft.  That will impact the Williams and Sweat decisions.  I may even impact their intent to pick up Davis' fifth-year option.  I have no issues with adding to this group with early picks.  Carter will soon be the highest paid defender in history.  Having other guys on their rookie contracts will be a necessity.

I believe Howie will extend Davis before the fifth year option.

10 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You forgot coaching.

 

52 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Yeah, stuck with players. As for coaches:

HC - 2024: Nick has more experience, and he really has been solid with the decision making in the 2nd half of the year. It's close, but I feel like this version of Nick is doing a better job of leading the team and keeping his emotions in check (since the CLE game).

OC - 2022: We might remember Steichen too fondly, but I hadn't been super impressed with Kellen until the NFCCG. All of a sudden we were running things like the jet sweeps to Goedert, push passes to Smitty, etc. If I see a RB screen in the Super Bowl, I may faint. Kellen is closing the gap.

DC - Massive edge 2024: Gannon's defense feasted on bad QBs in 2022 and struggled with good ones. Fangio has held Burrow to 17, Lamar to 10 (before a garbage time TD), Stafford to 13 before a garbage time TD and 22, Daniels to 10 before a garbage TD and 23 (and one bad game with 36) and Love to 29 and 10. So taking away the Ravens, Rams and Commanders meaningless TDs, in 9 games against quality QBs we gave up an average of 18.9 points while the game was competitive. In 2022, Gannon gave up 35 to Goff week 1, 33 to Rodgers/Love, 40 to Dak and 31 to Mahomes, an average of 34.75 points in 4 games. This defense is much more battle tested and has excelled.

 

58 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That depends on Johnson's status moving forward.  I have no issue with Calcaterra as that guy, but if Johnson retires, and Becton moves outside... that moves Steen to the starting lineup, and then I don't know who the 6th OL even would be.   Fred Johnson is a UFA, so he very well could be gone and then we have a massive ?.   Kinnard, Keegan, Toth and maybe Driscoll are the backups currently with the team (and Gates).  That doesn't instill much confidence in me.   We would absolutely need some more OL depth, especially at OT.   

And frankly, you can get by a few games without a TE, you can't make do with scrap metal along the OL.  

Toth and Driscoll and Gates are all gone (in my opinion) when the 53 man roster is announced in August.  They may be on Howie’s Bell Squad, but probably not even on the Practice Squad.  Keegan will be the primary interior OL backup in your scenario, and a resigned Fred Johnson will be the primary OT backup.  I expect Stoutland’s refrigerator will be stocked with fresh meat by Howie in April.

54 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yep.  I was wrong.  I edited later.

West Coast time lag.  I was catching up.

51 minutes ago, RLC said:

Howie spent 2nd round picks on Ertz and Goedert. Goedert is now 30 heading into the last year of his deal. This is also a very deep/strong TE class.

Agreed 100%

43 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

You are correct regarding this class.  However, if you look at the consensus boards, after Warren and Loveland, the depth of the class shows up mostly in the late-third and fourth round.

Remember, that Goedert pick preceded 9-7,9-7, and 4-11-1 seasons.  Sanders/JJAW were taken in the second round the following season.  Smith is the only offensive weapon drafted on day one or two since 2021.  That use of picks seems to be working.

Late third for a TE in this class should work well.

36 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

That is worth repeating 

It's tough to leave a team with a top 5 QB for a team with no QBs.

 

 

 

16 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Toth and Driscoll and Gates are all gone (in my opinion) when the 53 man roster is announced in August.  They may be on Howie’s Bell Squad, but probably not even on the Practice Squad.  Keegan will be the primary interior OL backup in your scenario, and a resigned Fred Johnson will be the primary OT backup.  I expect Stoutland’s refrigerator will be stocked with fresh meat by Howie in April.

1 - We don't know what offer Johnson might get in free agency.  He's very likely to get a shot at a starting role elsewhere, and there's no way this team can afford him at even a low end starter salary.  

2 - We haven't seen Keegan very much in real action.  And while I was extremely high on him on draft day, we still need to have competition.  

OL will need more bodies added this April, there's no question about it, AND IMO, its a WAY bigger priority than TE.  

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

It's tough to leave a team with a top 5 QB for a team with no QBs.

 

 

 

It’s not that they don’t have a Qb but their cap situation is a disaster. They are currently over by 50 mil according to spotrac. Gonna need to restructure and cut guys. If not for the jags ownership I’d argue that saints job was the worst of the jobs available. 

50 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

Howie didn't get scooped with the Marcus Smith draft because he tried to get cute.   He got scooped in the Marcus Smith draft because he misread on Marcus Smith.  The Eagles selected Marcus Smith at #26.  The Cowboys selected Demarcus Lawrence at #34.  Even Trent Murphy went #47 to Washington.  Either would have been far better than Smith, and obviously Lawrence was easily the best of that trio.   Right position for what they were looking for, just choose the wrong guy.

 

But, Howie absolutely knows what he's doing in terms of where most of their targeted players are going to go.  Not always, no one is 100%.  I've been super critical of Howie in the past, specifically on his talent evaluations, but it's almost impossible to be critical of his read of the value of players in the draft.  He's outwaited the talent a few times, but that's rare.   The great RB draft that landed us Donnell Pumphrey being a prime example though.  Fournette, McCaffrey, Cook, Mixon, Kamara, Hunt, Foreman, Conner, Perine, Cohen... any of them would have been better than Donnel Pumphrey.  He waited too long... but still could have landed Aaron Jones would have been much better than Pumphrey, BUT they were looking for someone to be a Sproles clone.   And THAT is where Howie has missed the mark the most.  Don't try to draft a guy that's a carbon copy of the guy you need to replace.  Draft a guy who can fill the same position, even if its a different role.

 

Howie's biggest misses have been when he's pigeoned holed what it is he is looking for in a given draft... like wanting to get a 'speed guy' at WR and so he took Reagor rather than Jefferson.  He's doing much better going to 'talent' rather than a specific style.

It's both. He absolutely got way too cute and then failed the Smith evaluation on top. This is the draft he traded back just to lose out on everyone he wanted, trade back again and then panic. 

51 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yeah I'm probably as far as you can get from being a Howie Roseman fanboy, but he's been drafting extremely well in recent years.

I've probably got a bunch of posts in that Howie basement thread

He's nailed some draft picks

Though I'm super curious what he does with Davis

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

1 - We don't know what offer Johnson might get in free agency.  He's very likely to get a shot at a starting role elsewhere, and there's no way this team can afford him at even a low end starter salary.  

2 - We haven't seen Keegan very much in real action.  And while I was extremely high on him on draft day, we still need to have competition.  

OL will need more bodies added this April, there's no question about it, AND IMO, its a WAY bigger priority than TE.  

The OL crop looks a bit meh.

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s not that they don’t have a Qb but their cap situation is a disaster. They are currently over by 50 mil according to spotrac. Gonna need to restructure and cut guys. If not for the jags ownership I’d argue that saints job was the worst of the jobs available. 

I think Khan actually stays out of the way with the Jags just hires idiots. 

1 hour ago, mikemack8 said:

That's impressive, not Chappelle (although I find him to be hysterical). 12 solid draft picks with Dean and Smith starting to recently produce at the LB spots...

3 hours ago, TEW said:

I tend to agree. Picks 20-50 are basically all equal, talent wise.

With that said, it can be difficult to get in the mind of teams. Even if talent is equal, scheme fit or off field issues we don’t know about can create gulfs in healing of otherwise outwardly appearing equal prospects.

One thing we should be able to count on is at least 2 DL picks. The need is there and the talent pool is deep. I’m interested to see what we do at EDGE specifically. Fangio seems to prefer versatile LBs like Smith and Hunt, but we will likely lose bigger, more traditional DEs like Sweat and Graham. Which archetype will we take?

Not so sure about that…Hunter and the QB’s are going to throw off the top 5.  But there’s 4 - 8 elite talents in this draft IMO.  I think by the time pick 10 rolls around, you’re on a plateau till about 40.  Maybe…I need to look.

Carter

Graham

Campbell

Banks Jr

McMillan

now, Johnson should be considered, injury bug and size we will see how he’s viewed.

Jeanty?

Warren?

 

After that i feel that fall of is very very steep and I’m not sure how the tiers are going to work out but this draft seems super weak at the top and heavy in the middle.

We can talk about this after the parade in depth, but this is a draft that you target a few specific players and amass picks for next year.

If I’m holding the 1st pick, I’m probably taking Campbell.  When is the last time an OT was drafted 1st overall?  I feel like Chiefs did it with Joeckel? Whatever the heck his name was in the Lane Johnson draft.

 

18 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s not that they don’t have a Qb but their cap situation is a disaster. They are currently over by 50 mil according to spotrac. Gonna need to restructure and cut guys. If not for the jags ownership I’d argue that saints job was the worst of the jobs available. 

This is all part of the interview process.  Even though it won't be Moore's authority to deal with contracts or fix cap problems, he needs to have alignment from the GM and ownership on his vision to get the Saints back to a contender.  He should lay out his plan for what the roster needs to look like and how much time it will take to get a full rebuild underway.

14 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The OL crop looks a bit meh.

Even in a meh group, there's always a gem somewhere.   Gotta mine to find him.