10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I imagine Nussmeier is gone as well

Where do you think he's going?   If you were Nussmeier, would you rather be OC here or in NO?   I know my answer.  If they aren't going to make Nussmeier the new OC, then you are likely right.  

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

You are absolutely right. Howie learned not to get cute.😊 

 

 

Wasn't Howie already sent to the broom closet with his red stapler when they drafted Marcus Smith?  I thought that was a Chip Kelly decision.  

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I could go either way on this.  Yes, they lost the game against Washington when he came in in relief.  But the helped them blow out the Cowboys.  And they were in position to win the game against Washington.  That's basically all you can ask of your backup QB.  

My main issue with the trade is that we already had McKee on a rookie deal, so spending draft capital to get Pickett (former first round pickz just like Devin White!) seemed unneccessary at the time, and later proved to be true in season.

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

He never gets past Harbaugh.

Harbaughs?

Annnnd he's gone.

 

 

2 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Wasn't Howie already sent to the broom closet with his red stapler when they drafted Marcus Smith?  I thought that was a Chip Kelly decision.  

No - Smith was 2014. Howie was removed for 2015.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

It really is unreal that he's going to doom his head coaching career at that train wreck of an organization. Will no one learn.

He’s interviewed for a bunch of jobs and hasn’t gotten them. He’s been let go as an OC twice. Can you really blame him for taking a HC job, even a bad one?

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

That is worth repeating 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

My main issue with the trade is that we already had McKee on a rookie deal, so spending draft capital to get Pickett (former first round pickz just like Devin White!) seemed unneccessary at the time, and later proved to be true in season.

I hear that part too, which is why I can go either way.   But, back in March when they made the deal, did they feel as comfortable with McKee as they likely do now?  Hindsight seems to be in use here a little bit.  We've all seen rookie QBs look decent in garbage time in the PS, only to fizzle out quick later.  I think hedging the bet with Pickett made sense, especially with his cheap contract, and the extra year of control to trade him this offseason if they wish and can easily recoup what they spent to acquire him.  It was only a flip of picks from 3rd to 4th... plus two 7th round lottery tickets.  That's pretty low price.   They could likely flip Pickett now for at least a 3rd round pick straight up.

59 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Not so sure about that…Hunter and the QB’s are going to throw off the top 5.  But there’s 4 - 8 elite talents in this draft IMO.  I think by the time pick 10 rolls around, you’re on a plateau till about 40.  Maybe…I need to look.

Carter

Graham

Campbell

Banks Jr

McMillan

now, Johnson should be considered, injury bug and size we will see how he’s viewed.

Jeanty?

Warren?

 

After that i feel that fall of is very very steep and I’m not sure how the tiers are going to work out but this draft seems super weak at the top and heavy in the middle.

We can talk about this after the parade in depth, but this is a draft that you target a few specific players and amass picks for next year.

If I’m holding the 1st pick, I’m probably taking Campbell.  When is the last time an OT was drafted 1st overall?  I feel like Chiefs did it with Joeckel? Whatever the heck his name was in the Lane Johnson draft.

 

I don’t think any of the OTs this year are close to a sure fire franchise piece.

If I have #1 I want to move down. If forced to pick, I would probably go with Graham or Carter. Those guys are the best floor/ceiling prospects in the draft in my estimation.

As for the eagles, they’re is a relatively strong position. We shouldn’t have many glaring holes heading into the draft, and our needs match up pretty well with the depth of the class at DL.

I’d be looking to trade down, be in for an extra 2nd/3rd this year or next. I think we shouldn’t play the BPA game, mostly. It’s a bad WR class, for instance, and we don’t really need one, and I’m sure people will hate taking a TCU receiver, but if Savion Williams is available I’m all in on that guy.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

He’s interviewed for a bunch of jobs and hasn’t gotten them. He’s been let go as an OC twice. Can you really blame him for taking a HC job, even a bad one?

And the guaranteed 4 or 5 years of salary that it comes with.  Even if he's canned he knows what money he'll be making for that length of time.  And he can then be more selective in his next stop while still getting paid if he's canned after 3 years.

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I imagine Nussmeier is gone as well

That's been his guy. He will go too. I assume to be OC.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Where do you think he's going?   If you were Nussmeier, would you rather be OC here or in NO?   I know my answer.  If they aren't going to make Nussmeier the new OC, then you are likely right.  

Do we think they would just internally promote the QB coach again given how 2023 went? Nussmeier is also much more of an outsider/newbie to the organization than Brian Johnson ever was. I just don't see the Eagles going above and beyond to retain him so he probably follows the guy he's followed everywhere the last 6 years. 

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

I don’t think any of the OTs this year are close to a sure fire franchise piece.

If I have #1 I want to move down. If forced to pick, I would probably go with Graham or Carter. Those guys are the best floor/ceiling prospects in the draft in my estimation.

As for the eagles, they’re is a relatively strong position. We shouldn’t have many glaring holes heading into the draft, and our needs match up pretty well with the depth of the class at DL.

I’d be looking to trade down, be in for an extra 2nd/3rd this year or next. I think we shouldn’t play the BPA game, mostly. It’s a bad WR class, for instance, and we don’t really need one, and I’m sure people will hate taking a TCU receiver, but if Savion Williams is available I’m all in on that guy.

If there were any, they likely be way way out of range for the Eagles this year anyway.  Maybe Howie saw that down the line which might have helped him decide to roll the dice on Becton this year.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He’s interviewed for a bunch of jobs and hasn’t gotten them. He’s been let go as an OC twice. Can you really blame him for taking a HC job, even a bad one?

I don't think they'll really give him time even though they said they would

He should have waited another year

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Do we think they would just internally promote the QB coach again given how 2023 went? Nussmeier is also much more of an outsider/newbie to the organization than Brian Johnson ever was. I just don't see the Eagles going above and beyond to retain him so he probably follows the guy he's followed everywhere the last 6 years. 

I think its a distinct possibility.  I don't know that its the definite answer, but it could be.   As for Brian Johnson, there might have been too much comfortability between him and Hurts, which might have been part of the reason last season fell apart.  I like a little friction between my QB and QB Coach and/or OC.  

Moore is going to gut our coaching staff isn’t he 

8 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Wasn't Howie already sent to the broom closet with his red stapler when they drafted Marcus Smith?  I thought that was a Chip Kelly decision.  

That draft was the last year with Howie still having final say. It's hard to know whoever actually wanted Smith since I'm sure both sides steered clear from that disaster and finger pointed to the other guy.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

  Hindsight seems to be in use here a little bit.

Not by me, I said it that same day that I had doubts Pickett would be any better than McKee. Frankly I still think it was dumb to have had Pickett work with the twos and made active over McKee in the playoffs. I get that Pickett has more "starting experience" than McKee, but so do plenty of mediocre NFL QBs until they're eventually unseated by more promising younger passers. 

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Harbaughs?

Jim and his Michigan men.

1 minute ago, GoEagles5921 said:

Moore is going to gut our coaching staff isn’t he 

Doubt it. Nussmeier is the only guy he brought. I don't see why anyone else would leave unless he promotes some defensive guy to be his DC.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If there were any, they likely be way way out of range for the Eagles this year anyway.  Maybe Howie saw that down the line which might have helped him decide to roll the dice on Becton this year.

I mean, I’m chairman of the bring back Becton bandwagon. But if we want to hedge our bets with him, future draft capital is the way to do it. Get a future second and we should be able to move up near the top ten if needed to grab a guy.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

1 - We don't know what offer Johnson might get in free agency.  He's very likely to get a shot at a starting role elsewhere, and there's no way this team can afford him at even a low end starter salary.  

2 - We haven't seen Keegan very much in real action.  And while I was extremely high on him on draft day, we still need to have competition.  

OL will need more bodies added this April, there's no question about it, AND IMO, its a WAY bigger priority than TE.  

Regarding 1. Fred is 27 and will be 28 in June.  He has always been a journeyman, and was headed out of the NFL when the Eagles took a Practice Squsd flyer on him.  Under Stoutland he has progressed to solid backup status, but his age and his history legislate against ever being a starter on anything other than a bottom tier team.  I suspect he will very gladly extend his tenure with the Eagles at a reasonable price.  I could be 100% wrong in that assessment, but it seems like the highest probability of all the alternatives.

Regarding 2. we haven’t seen much of him, but we don’t count.  Stoutland has seen plenty.  That counts.  @just relax saw him a lot at Michigan and I trust His judgement as well.  Here too, like in the case of Fred, time will tell.

Our ability to take later round O-Linemen and develop them far exceeds our ability to develop Tight Ends.  OL is a day 3 priority, and if Howie amasses additional picks this year like he did last year, Stoutland will have at least 2 or 3 hunks of clay to mold.

JMO

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Not by me, I said it that same day that I had doubts Pickett would be any better than McKee. Frankly I still think it was dumb to have had Pickett work with the twos and made active over McKee in the playoffs. I get that Pickett has more "starting experience" than McKee, but so do plenty of mediocre NFL QBs until they're eventually unseated by more promising younger passers. 

For a coach on the hot seat, which Sirianni clearly was at the start of the year, I think having a backup with starts on his resume was welcomed.  But, you very well may have been 100% right.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think its a distinct possibility.  I don't know that its the definite answer, but it could be.   As for Brian Johnson, there might have been too much comfortability between him and Hurts, which might have been part of the reason last season fell apart.  I like a little friction between my QB and QB Coach and/or OC.  

I always viewed his hire as a way to appease Kellen Moore instead of a guy the Eagles really wanted. We'll see what happens. It's hard to know what he even brought to the table this year as a coach.