19 hours ago, TEW said:

I don’t think any of the OTs this year are close to a sure fire franchise piece.

If I have #1 I want to move down. If forced to pick, I would probably go with Graham or Carter. Those guys are the best floor/ceiling prospects in the draft in my estimation.

As for the eagles, they’re is a relatively strong position. We shouldn’t have many glaring holes heading into the draft, and our needs match up pretty well with the depth of the class at DL.

I’d be looking to trade down, be in for an extra 2nd/3rd this year or next. I think we shouldn’t play the BPA game, mostly. It’s a bad WR class, for instance, and we don’t really need one, and I’m sure people will hate taking a TCU receiver, but if Savion Williams is available I’m all in on that guy.

I’m not an OL expert…but Campbell and Banks seem like sure fires.  Though I think Banks moves inside possibly or is a RT.  Campbell, I love what I’ve seen of him.  He looks like a top LT from day 1 IMO.  But overall like you said we are in a good position…this draft will be like the NA or DG draft.  Whoever we pick the reaction will be…’ok’ and nothing more haha.

24 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Not me.  All we saw was some running.  I'm more concerned with the pass protection when we really need it.  We also know Gainwell can catch the ball, make a guy miss, and pick up a key 1st down.  We don't know if Shipley can be trusted to do either of those two things in big moments.

We won’t ever know if we don’t try.  Never up, never in.

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

When you are making love to your favorite honey and the lovemaking results in multiple orgasms do you reflect only on the individual orgasms, or on the lovemaking as a continuity?

What a wild post about Kenny Pickett 

I just watched the cut ups of Q’s reps against Scary Terry…I knew he was a fluid athlete, but OMG his footwork and hips are ridiculous.  Zero wasted steps, movements and his head is always in the right place.

Just now, Wentz_Era said:

I’m not an OL expert…but Campbell and Banks seem like sure fires.  Though I think Banks moves inside possibly or is a RT.  Campbell, I love what I’ve seen of him.  He looks like a top LT from day 1 IMO.  But overall like you said we are in a good position…this draft will be like the NA or DG draft.  Whoever we pick the reaction will be…’ok’ and nothing more haha.

There is discussion of moving Campbell to Center in the Pros.  That seems a bit strange to me, but he has experience at all five O-Line positions. 

35 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Based on what we saw last game, I’m comfortable with Shipley taking those Gainwell snaps.

How is he at picking up the blitz?  That's my concern.  I'd wager Spags calls a blitz every time Shipley is in the game, with an LB and S/CB both coming from different angles.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

What a wild post about Kenny Pickett 

It isn’t about Kenny Pickett at all.  It is about vector mechanics.

52 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

We look pretty good on the injury front though I'm still concerned about Gainwell who we do need to spell Barkley a couple of times for 2-3 plays during the game.

Shipley!      Unleash the secret weapon!!!

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

What a wild post about Kenny Pickett 

hold on now, i think he's coming to a point. 

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

There is discussion of moving Campbell to Center in the Pros.  That seems a bit strange to me, but he has experience at all five O-Line positions. 

Mostly because he might have short arms, but I think the center thing is indicative of a bad center class and instances of him calling out protections, etc., showing that he’s a cerebral player.

Just now, Freshmilk said:

How is he at picking up the blitz?  That's my concern.  I'd wager Spags calls a blitz every time Shipley is in the game, with an LB and S/CB both coming from different angles.

Spags will be doing that frequently regardless of who is the RB.  It is guaranteed that all the RBs are busy preparing for that inevitability.  Trust our coaches and trust our players.

23 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

Barkley is something like 30-40 yards from breaking the rushing record in a season including playoff.  That should be no problem for him to reach in SB.  He missed the record for the regular season when he rest iin the last game.  Glad that he has something in the all-time record book.  

 

 

He can break the post-season rushing record.

He can break the regular season + post season record.

He can break the super bowl record of 205

He can be the first player with 3,000 total yards in a season.

 

Bunch of records to watch.

 

10 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Jalen puts in another good performance with over 175 total yards and no turnovers. The O line springs Saquon for few huge runs that prove to be the difference in the game. The defense overall was suffocating, not allowing Mahomes to get into a rhythm until late and completely taking away the big play. Zach Baun wins the SB MVP with 3 sacks, Howie would be wise to pay this man now.

20-14, the better team won - go birds!

 

 

Barkley really better be having a great game if Hurts only has 175 yards. Im thinking something like 225 would mean Hurts is playing at the level we need him to. Or, yes, Barkley can just have a super human game to save us if we need it.

20 minutes ago, mattwill said:

We won’t ever know if we don’t try.  Never up, never in.

Yeah but not in the SB   Give me a healthy Gainwell 100x out of 100 for this game.  We've won 15 of 16 now with the only loss the crazy Wash game where Hurts was knocked out in the first 5 minutes.  There is ZERO reason to change the formula.

16 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Barkley really better be having a great game if Hurts only has 175 yards. Im thinking something like 225 would mean Hurts is playing at the level we need him to. Or, yes, Barkley can just have a super human game to save us if we need it.

Jalen had a series where he missed AJ in the EZ throwing the ball late and out of bounds. This was followed by a sack in the high RZ. Jake made the FG, but a 10pt lead rather than 6pt lead, would have made KC’s final drive much less of a nail biter. Barkley had about 150yds, so the Chiefs had him contained until they didn’t with the big plays. The offense definitely left some meat on the bone, but the defense as has been the case most of this season picked up the slack when needed.

20 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Shipley!      Unleash the secret weapon!!!

He can get four carries again once the game is in hand.

23 minutes ago, mattwill said:

It isn’t about Kenny Pickett at all.  It is about vector mechanics.

Yea I’m done then. This is pointless.

21 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Spags will be doing that frequently regardless of who is the RB.  It is guaranteed that all the RBs are busy preparing for that inevitability.  Trust our coaches and trust our players.

I don't think he blitzes as much with Saquan in the game.  I trust Gainwell more than Shipley.

26 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

How is he at picking up the blitz?  That's my concern.  I'd wager Spags calls a blitz every time Shipley is in the game, with an LB and S/CB both coming from different angles.

Those wide blitzes are very vulnerable to a qb draw

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No Matt this is NFL trades 

Kenny Pickett cost a 3rd/4th pick swap and two 7ths. Any other answer is arguing just to argue. 

Yup.  The next trade was not part of the original deal, and there was no guarantee such a deal could have been struck.  Take away the Kenny Pickett deal and who knows what alternative deals could have been done instead.  Too many variables to really roll everything into a single process.  

So, the Pickett trade is what it is.  The next transaction needs to then be weighed on its own merit, as with any other subsequent move overall. 

The total aggregate of moves can be pushed together to discuss the draft weekend as a whole.  But the individual moves need to stand alone in evaluating the effectiveness of each move.  

For example, we can't give Howie a pass for the move to select Andre Dillard in 2019, because the had drafted Jordan Mailata in 2018.  On the contrary actually.  Had they known what they had in Mailata (clearly they didn't at that time), they never would have panicked into making the selection of Dillard without properly vetting him.  There were a number of options available to them that would have been more beneficial. So, we can't just flip those two and say... well, Mailata is LIKE getting a free first round pick talent, so that negates the wasted pick on Dillard.  And the Dillard pick is really just costing the 2 7th rounders.   It doesn't work that way at all.  (Incidentally, no one is perfect in all their picks, but the process that brought us Dillard was just a really bad broken process.). 

 

59 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Not me.  All we saw was some running.  I'm more concerned with the pass protection when we really need it.  We also know Gainwell can catch the ball, make a guy miss, and pick up a key 1st down.  We don't know if Shipley can be trusted to do either of those two things in big moments.

And not against a good defense by any stretch and that was after their team was already thrashed and gashed for 3 and a half quarters. I'd be much more comfortable with Gainwell spelling Barkley.
Gonna need to draft a back, probably on the 3rd day. There's quite a few we can nab in that territory. 

31 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Shipley!      Unleash the secret weapon!!!

 

 

 

 

I like it! An American Tail.

30 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

 

He can break the post-season rushing record.

He can break the regular season + post season record.

He can break the super bowl record of 205

He can be the first player with 3,000 total yards in a season.

 

Bunch of records to watch.

 

TBH at this point records aren’t even on my mind.

  I was a huge proponent of giving him the opportunity to break the regular season rushing record -  but now that’s over with - there’s only ONE goal and that’s winning the Super Bowl.  

Everything else - including records - is by far secondary (or doesn’t even matter) imo. 

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

Not me.  All we saw was some running.  I'm more concerned with the pass protection when we really need it.  We also know Gainwell can catch the ball, make a guy miss, and pick up a key 1st down.  We don't know if Shipley can be trusted to do either of those two things in big moments.

That's a valid concern.  Not to worry.  Just go empty when he's in there for some passes... and there you go.   Now he can't miss a block.   

 

As for what we can or can't trust Shipley to do... he had some really big moments in some really big games at Clemson.  Not exactly one for one... but last Super Bowl win we had some massive impact from a rookie RB.  🤷‍♂️.  The Super Bowl almost always ends up with some unsung hero making some extraordinary plays for the winning team.