Wow that’d be like trading Josh Sweat for Parsons 

The NBA is so bad and such a boring product. Jordan ruined it because people only watch for the individual stars and there really aren’t any. 

Example: I live less than an hours’ drive to DC and I’ve never met a Wizards fan in my life 

Love the video of Gronk on Fallon showing how he's gotten the last few SB wrong and then he pics the Chiefs and the Roots are happy

8 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Wow that’d be like trading Josh Sweat for Parsons 

Howie is telling Jeff to make him Celtics GM after watching that crap go down.

20 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The NBA is so bad and such a boring product. Jordan ruined it because people only watch for the individual stars and there really aren’t any. 

Example: I live less than an hours’ drive to DC and I’ve never met a Wizards fan in my life 

The NBA is so soft they made them change the name from Bullets …..

21 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The NBA is so bad and such a boring product. Jordan ruined it because people only watch for the individual stars and there really aren’t any. 

Example: I live less than an hours’ drive to DC and I’ve never met a Wizards fan in my life 

Nah stars always matter

analytics ruined it. Move to chucking tons of threes and no midrange game

The damn Rangers win the WS in ‘23, Mavs get to the finals and get destroyed by the Celtics, and a few months later…Cowboys $hit the bed…the Mavs and Cowboys say F it, we don’t care, let’s just mismanage the hell out of our rosters.

When the Rangers (lots of injuries last year trying to defend the title) are the pro team making the right moves in DFW you’ve got real problems.

Mavs and Cowboys are just infuriating their fan bases, freaking idiots.

If the Mavs don’t win the title this year (they won’t), They better fire Nico Harris’ dumb a$$ for gross incompetence. "Built to win now”, my a$$. I promise you they just lost a lot of ticket revenue and fans.

Sorry, rant over. 

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Nah stars always matter

analytics ruined it. Move to chucking tons of threes and no midrange game

This. There’s no actual offense. It’s dribble drive kick to the 3 point line. You got guys giving up layups to kick it to a 3 point shooter. It’s terrible. 

4 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Nah stars always matter

analytics ruined it. Move to chucking tons of threes and no midrange game

Stars matter more in the NBA than any other sport. The biggest stars are LeBron and Steph and they’re old. 

I don't think it's the product on the court in terms of style. It's part, but a small part. Fans are tired of following a league where every year 26 teams have no chance to win a title. It's not that way in any other sport. And in the NBA there's no value in just being good. The only good places in the NBA to be in are great or awful so you can get a lottery pick. It's the hardest sport to build in and you can't even enjoy watching a quality team every week if they aren't one of the 3 best teams. In all the other sports you can, because you still have a shot, and don't need top 5 picks to become great.

Add that with the fact that players will get weeks off for a stubbed toe when in the other sports(except baseball sometimes) they play through injuries, so each night you never know if your best players are even going to play. And every star wants to end up on like 3 different teams where in the other sports players more often re-sign with their own teams as long as they're willing to pay them. The NBA is just a tiresome league where 90% of fans feel hopeless every year and many can't even just enjoy watching from game to game because of how often star player take games off.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't think it's the product on the court in terms of style. It's part, but a small part. Fans are tired of following a league where every year 26 teams have no chance to win a title. It's not that way in any other sport. And in the NBA there's no value in just being good. The only good places in the NBA to be in are great or awful so you can get a lottery pick. It's the hardest sport to build in and you can't even enjoy watching a quality team every week if they aren't one of the 3 best teams. In all the other sports you can, because you still have a shot, and don't need top 5 picks to become great.

Add that with the fact that players will get weeks off for a stubbed toe when in the other sports(except baseball sometimes) they play through injuries, so each night you never know if your best players are even going to play. And every star wants to end up on like 3 different teams where in the other sports players more often re-sign with their own teams as long as they're willing to pay them. The NBA is just a tiresome league where 90% of fans feel hopeless every year and many can't even just enjoy watching from game to game because of how often star player take games off.

This is the biggest reason basketball sucks for me. You can't even enjoy a good player on your team (unless you're a lucky fan of one of the super teams) cause they'll just leave for one of the 3-4 super teams as soon as they can. 

On top of that, like you said, the players are largely soft as baby ish. 

37 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The NBA is so bad and such a boring product. Jordan ruined it because people only watch for the individual stars and there really aren’t any. 

Example: I live less than an hours’ drive to DC and I’ve never met a Wizards fan in my life 

I’m a few miles from the White House… all the fans I know are over 40 and lost substantial interest when they changed their name from the Bullets.

12 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't think it's the product on the court in terms of style. It's part, but a small part. Fans are tired of following a league where every year 26 teams have no chance to win a title. It's not that way in any other sport. And in the NBA there's no value in just being good. The only good places in the NBA to be in are great or awful so you can get a lottery pick. It's the hardest sport to build in and you can't even enjoy watching a quality team every week if they aren't one of the 3 best teams. In all the other sports you can, because you still have a shot, and don't need top 5 picks to become great.

Add that with the fact that players will get weeks off for a stubbed toe when in the other sports(except baseball sometimes) they play through injuries, so each night you never know if your best players are even going to play. And every star wants to end up on like 3 different teams where in the other sports players more often re-sign with their own teams as long as they're willing to pay them. The NBA is just a tiresome league where 90% of fans feel hopeless every year and many can't even just enjoy watching from game to game because of how often star player take games off.

It’s that way in soccer, the most popular sport in the world. And it’s more permanent in soccer because there is no draft or salary cap, just the financial limitations of a club’s business success.

The product actually matters. A lot. The NBA’s product sucks. You could forgive the NBA for only having a few contenders every year, if only it was exciting to watch. But games are a total snooze fest. It’s a glorified shoot around. 

16 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't think it's the product on the court in terms of style. It's part, but a small part. Fans are tired of following a league where every year 26 teams have no chance to win a title. It's not that way in any other sport. And in the NBA there's no value in just being good. The only good places in the NBA to be in are great or awful so you can get a lottery pick. It's the hardest sport to build in and you can't even enjoy watching a quality team every week if they aren't one of the 3 best teams. In all the other sports you can, because you still have a shot, and don't need top 5 picks to become great.

Add that with the fact that players will get weeks off for a stubbed toe when in the other sports(except baseball sometimes) they play through injuries, so each night you never know if your best players are even going to play. And every star wants to end up on like 3 different teams where in the other sports players more often re-sign with their own teams as long as they're willing to pay them. The NBA is just a tiresome league where 90% of fans feel hopeless every year and many can't even just enjoy watching from game to game because of how often star player take games off.

Baseball is similar. Big money, big market wins 

21 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The NBA is so soft they made them change the name from Bullets …..

The NBA didn't make them change the name. Abe Pollin decided to change it, partly bec

 

6 minutes ago, TEW said:

I’m a few miles from the White House… all the fans I know are over 40 and lost substantial interest when they changed their name from the Bullets.

I live in DC too and don't know anybody who really cares about the name change. I think the real issue is the team has been terrible for a long time. Just like with the Commanders. Nobody cared about the team for a decade or more because of how bad they were and the terrible ownership. Once a new owner came in, the team drafted a good QB, and they had some hope, the fans came back. And quickly. 

22 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Nah stars always matter

analytics ruined it. Move to chucking tons of threes and no midrange game

Exactly.

They need to move the arc back far enough to make 3 point shooting have the same expected value as a pull-up jumper.

10 minutes ago, TEW said:

I’m a few miles from the White House… all the fans I know are over 40 and lost substantial interest when they changed their name from the Bullets.

I think they just rename them the Bullets and move ‘em back to Baltimore 

1 minute ago, shlo said:

The NBA didn't make them change the name. Abe Pollin decided to change it, partly bec

 

I live in DC too and don't know anybody who really cares about the name change. I think the real issue is the team has been terrible for a long time. Just like with the Commanders. Nobody cared about the team for a decade or more because of how bad they were and the terrible ownership. Once a new owner came in, the team drafted a good QB, and they had some hope, the fans came back. And quickly. 

All of the Skins fans I know were still commanders fans and stayed pretty hard core. They’re just older now.

The under 30 crowd like the Ravens because of their recent success.

Older Wizards fans just didn’t stick around like Skins/Commanders fans did.

Rewatching highlights of Super Bowl 39. I forgot how bad our OL struggled. McNabb was running for his life. I don’t think they really tried to run the ball. 

9 minutes ago, shlo said:

The NBA didn't make them change the name. Abe Pollin decided to change it, partly bec

 

I live in DC too and don't know anybody who really cares about the name change. I think the real issue is the team has been terrible for a long time. Just like with the Commanders. Nobody cared about the team for a decade or more because of how bad they were and the terrible ownership. Once a new owner came in, the team drafted a good QB, and they had some hope, the fans came back. And quickly. 

I am on the edge of my seat right now. PARTLY BEC WHAT

7 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

Baseball is similar. Big money, big market wins 

Baseball ownership matters much more, as it should. Owners willing to spend are rewarded. That's why even teams that are middling teams can land stars if they're willing to pay the most. In the NBA since there's a cap and there's max contracts, everyone can only offer the same amount(with the only exception being bird rights) so you don't have any real advantage to lure players away from the only few organizations anyone ever wants to play for. LA, NY, Miami, and whatever team is the hot contender in that given year.

And there's no franchise tag, so you can't keep players who will be lured away in free agency. So if a player wants out, they'll just demand to be traded, and get what they want every time. It's terrible for the league. There's nothing in pro sports worse for a league than the destruction of parity and players being able to hold organizations hostage whenever they want because they can threaten to just walk for nothing.

And the NBA can't even fix the problem by removing the salary cap and giving teams a chance to outbid super teams, because the big market teams like NY and LA would just buy up all the stars and then the league would be destroyed even worse. The league really is Fed. You can't have a product where 90% of the fans feel like there's no point in watching every year. When guys used to play every game, at least you could get people to watch who don't care much about championships and just watch a ball game, but you can't even get those guys now because you have players like Paul George missing weeks with a jammed finger.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

All of the Skins fans I know were still commanders fans and stayed pretty hard core. They’re just older now.

The under 30 crowd like the Ravens because of their recent success.

Older Wizards fans just didn’t stick around like Skins/Commanders fans did.

Losing for decades now has more to do with it than anything.  Nobody cares about a name change if the team is good.  They've made the playoffs 9 times since 1990.  Lost 6 times in the first round, 3 times in the 2nd round.  The last time they made it past the 2nd round was in '78 when they won it all.  In their history they have only made it past the 2nd round 3 times, all in the 70s.  They stink now and almost always stink.

3 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Rewatching highlights of Super Bowl 39. I forgot how bad our OL struggled. McNabb was running for his life. I don’t think they really tried to run the ball. 

Yep. Richard Seymour wrecked Honeybuns and the Eagles could get nothing inside.

3 minutes ago, devpool said:

I am on the edge of my seat right now. PARTLY BEC WHAT

Oops. Because he was friends with Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who was shot and killed. 

3 minutes ago, just relax said:

Yep. Richard Seymour wrecked Honeybuns and the Eagles could get nothing inside.

It's so weird watching old film.

The first 3rd down of the game (3rd and 3), was an empty set from under-center. The free rusher basically hit McNabb at the end of his drop. If it's shotgun, he has an easy first down to the left flat.