21 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Reid Walsh Lombardi … anyone else?

Noll, Gibbs 

Interesting article on ESPN

 

On 2/1/2025 at 2:30 PM, Iggles_Phan said:

This shouldn't be funny, but it is.

 

Eagles work hard to get here. Refs almost always hate us. Chiefs get all the calls and looking to 3 peat. We really up against it for sure now I see this. If eagles lose it will be they 666 lost in team history..... they beat Washington to get to 666 wins as well.... not to mention week before that Washington beat detroit to become 666. The devil is in the NFL details. Alot of NFL fans are boycotting Taylor bowl 3. As a die Hard Eagle fan this hits hard between a rock and a hard place. Last time  against them with best Defense in league over 70  sacks slippery field....now what???

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I love the NBA, the shot making, the creativity, the just crazy depth of talent the league has. Are only truly a few teams that suck this year and even the those teams have talent. 

I don't think people realize the actual wear and tear the game puts on players compared to the Jordan era of basketball. The jumping, cutting, the speed at which the game is played is just different, the angles in which they move. Is 

The game is different than 20 years ago because all 5 guys have to be talented enough to stay on the court vs Jordan era where 3 or even 2 actually could hoop. People complain about defense in the league today but can't comprehend that the reason is spacing and just not being able to guard it. 

I know I'm in the minority but is high level basketball is being played on every night. Sixers Nuggets on Friday was an awesome game to watch with Maxey vs Jokic. 

https://youtu.be/w6-NPUOHH6I?si=44GufJJxfw-MyFeG

The game is different than 20 years ago because players today can travel, palm, double dribble illegal screen flop and defense has been legislated out.

Back in the day there were hand checks, there were actual defensive specialists, the league allowed hard nosed  defense, teams werent jacking up 45 3s a game because of analytics 

Big guys had post moves and footwork, the game had positions that had roles that created a more strategic game, coaches coached not players.

Now its five guys run down the court, doesnt really matter who brings the ball up because its the same play by every team every game every possession, high pick and roll dribble hand off draw and kick out to the 3 or hit the roll man on the alley oop, over and over again 

Mid range game almost non existent, post game almost gone, defense no existent 

And i havent even gotten into load management...

I grew up watching John stockton and Karl Malone night after night for 20 years, only way those guys were going to miss a game is if they were dead, guys these days sit out with a hangnail.

Its a disservice to the game the fans and every player that ever came before them 

I used to Love the NBA and my Jazz but ive gotten to the point where its almost unwatchable now ☹️

 

 

 

On 1/31/2025 at 10:40 PM, NOTW said:

Well that came from Howie himself. 

In the Chip years, Howie was picking in collaboration with Chip for the type of players he wanted. Chip wanted Dion Jordan. Everyone else thought take whichever of the top 3 OTs fall, and that ended up being Lane. 

Howie has said the same for each Head Coach. Of course they're all going to give input to the draft board. It's not Draft Day where you piss off your HC on purpose, draft a guy to spite him.

Dion Jordan!   Could you imagine how different everything would be had they drafted him?!   THANK YOU MIAMI!!!    Saved us from yet another misfortune!

 

Miami might just be the best franchise in the league at helping the Eagles.  They traded for AJ Feeley... they took the Byron Maxwell contract off our hands AND allowed us to trade UP in the first round, to get into position to move even higher... they took Dion Jordan, saving us from it and allowing Lane Johnson, easily the best of the 3 OTs that year to fall into our laps... and the rest is history.   2017 doesn't happen without them.  2022 and 2024 likely don't happen without Lane also.  I love the Miami Dolphins!!!

53 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Noll, Gibbs 

Yup 

There are also a few really good coaches that were super successful but never won the big one 

Bud Grant Viking 4 super bowl losses

Marv Levy 4 super bowl losses.

Dan Reeves 3 super bowl losses with 2 different teams 

Marty Schottenheimer  who never even made the big game 

Its really shows the margin off difference between a good coach and a super bowl winning coach isnt much.

28 minutes ago, Utebird said:

The game is different than 20 years ago because players today can travel, palm, double dribble illegal screen flop and defense has been legislated out.

Back in the day there were hand checks, there were actual defensive specialists, the league allowed hard nosed  defense, teams werent jacking up 45 3s a game because of analytics 

Big guys had post moves and footwork, the game had positions that had roles that created a more strategic game, coaches coached not players.

Now its five guys run down the court, doesnt really matter who brings the ball up because its the same play by every team every game every possession, high pick and roll dribble hand off draw and kick out to the 3 or hit the roll man on the alley oop, over and over again 

Mid range game almost non existent, post game almost gone, defense no existent 

And i havent even gotten into load management...

I grew up watching John stockton and Karl Malone night after night for 20 years, only way those guys were going to miss a game is if they were dead, guys these days sit out with a hangnail.

Its a disservice to the game the fans and every player that ever came before them 

I used to Love the NBA and my Jazz but ive gotten to the point where its almost unwatchable now ☹️

 

 

 

Brunson 1 game missed, ANT 1 game, Shai 2, Jokic 6 games birth of his kid, Tatum 6 games, LeBron 3 games, Giannis 6 games misses 

Huh? Load me management. The best players are playing. Just ****ing to **** when it's not true. 

 

28 minutes ago, Utebird said:

The game is different than 20 years ago because players today can travel, palm, double dribble illegal screen flop and defense has been legislated out.

Back in the day there were hand checks, there were actual defensive specialists, the league allowed hard nosed  defense, teams werent jacking up 45 3s a game because of analytics 

Big guys had post moves and footwork, the game had positions that had roles that created a more strategic game, coaches coached not players.

Now its five guys run down the court, doesnt really matter who brings the ball up because its the same play by every team every game every possession, high pick and roll dribble hand off draw and kick out to the 3 or hit the roll man on the alley oop, over and over again 

Mid range game almost non existent, post game almost gone, defense no existent 

And i havent even gotten into load management...

I grew up watching John stockton and Karl Malone night after night for 20 years, only way those guys were going to miss a game is if they were dead, guys these days sit out with a hangnail.

Its a disservice to the game the fans and every player that ever came before them 

I used to Love the NBA and my Jazz but ive gotten to the point where its almost unwatchable now ☹️

 

 

 

People like the game of basketball when it's up and down the court and continuous action.

I personally like the idea of 10 minute quarters but it's not the biggest issue by far.  There are too many 3's but what can you tell the players? Stop shooting them?  Won't work.  

2 things I think could help the game is to allow players to be more physical.  Not like the 80s and 90s but the players are already more skilled and talented.  Don't make it easier for them to score.  Let them be able to put hands on when on defense. Let there be some more physicality and don't call so many ticky tack fouls.  Secondly there are too many reviews during games.  It seriously messes up the flow of the game.  I know they want to get every call right but the stoppages are a killer.  Either have someone that reviews calls quickly and can get the game back going or don't review calls till the last quarter or last 5 minutes of the game.  Also teams have way too many timeouts.  Cut them down as well.

People like the game to see a nice flow to it.  Not continuous stoppages.

52 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Brunson 1 game missed, ANT 1 game, Shai 2, Jokic 6 games birth of his kid, Tatum 6 games, LeBron 3 games, Giannis 6 games misses 

Huh? Load me management. The best players are playing. Just ****ing to **** when it's not true. 

 

Stockton missed 22 games in 19 seasons, most of those in 1 season when he tore a knee ligament. 

Dont get me started with LeFlop, dude barely breaks a sweat every game, he literally stands around or walks majority of game, he expends most his energy writhing on the floor after a defender almost brushed his pinky.

Was interesting though that out of all the ways I explained why the NBA has declined the one and only one you chose to address was load management... 

 

7 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Brunson 1 game missed, ANT 1 game, Shai 2, Jokic 6 games birth of his kid, Tatum 6 games, LeBron 3 games, Giannis 6 games misses 

Huh? Load me management. The best players are playing. Just ****ing to **** when it's not true. 

 

So load management isn't real?  Fans, analysts and those in sports media say it's a problem but you don't?

It's fine if you like the current NBA.  That's your opinion and people should respect that.  But not everyone agrees.

5 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

You'd think it gets nixed... unless silver actually Did do this. 

It’s just so odd…the city of LA is already under the sports microscope with the shady stuff the Dodgers are doing.  This is like hitting the force trade option in 2k.

2 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Huh? 

They are but no one seems to appreciate the greatness of Jokic or Wemby doing crazy crap on every night because they not American. 

 

 

Giannis, Embiid, Luka, Jokic, Wemby. All great and could go up against some of the best eras of the nba, but none of them are relatable to american youth. Steph and LeBron were the opposite, we practically watched them grow up

 

16 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

Something’s either extremely wrong with Luka or this is a full blown Adam Silver conspiracy 

Thats what they're saying on reddit 
 

 

5 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

People like the game of basketball when it's up and down the court and continuous action.

I personally like the idea of 10 minute quarters but it's not the biggest issue by far.  There are too many 3's but what can you tell the players? Stop shooting them?  Won't work.  

2 things I think could help the game is to allow players to be more physical.  Not like the 80s and 90s but the players are already more skilled and talented.  Don't make it easier for them to score.  Let them be able to put hands on when on defense. Let there be some more physicality and don't call so many ticky tack fouls.  Secondly there are too many reviews during games.  It seriously messes up the flow of the game.  I know they want to get every call right but the stoppages are a killer.  Either have someone that reviews calls quickly and can get the game back going or don't review calls till the last quarter or last 5 minutes of the game.  Also teams have way too many timeouts.  Cut them down as well.

People like the game to see a nice flow to it.  Not continuous stoppages.

Agree on the stoppages, it hurts the flow of the game, but more stoppages means more commercials which means more money.

While players are more skilled they also are allowed to get away with a lot more, like traveling, palming etc that I mentioned, i mean its not like 20 years ago players couldnt dribble with their left hand like back in the 40s😄

I agree they need to go back to allowing hand checking, defense in the league is non existent and that hurts the game to the point we get what it is today where its just who can run and jack up more shots faster than the other team.

It was fun when Dantoni with the Suns were the only team that  played Small ball all game and jacked up as many shots as they could, but now that everyone plays that way theres not as much nuance or strategy.

Most people blame the warriors and steph but Dantoni was doing that before steph and the warriors , it just never caught in because Dantoni never won anything.

You talk about flow, rivers that wind and turn and have drops and bumps that create lulls and rapids are more exciting and beautiful than just a river that is raging 100 mph all the time.

The NBAs breakneck pace and inflated track meet scoring offers little variety which is why so many people are tuning out, its just not as interesting as it once was 

7 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

It’s just so odd…the city of LA is already under the sports microscope with the shady stuff the Dodgers are doing.  This is like hitting the force trade option in 2k.

People are talking like there might be some shady stuff going on with this trade.

Why wouldn't Dallas tell the whole league if they wanted to trade Luka?  Not that AD isn't really good but you got a superstar who is 25 just entering his prime and you trading him?  Makes no sense.  Clippers had to give up SGA and multiple 1st for Paul George.   Kevin Durant when he was traded got several 1st.  You telling me Dallas only got one 1st back from the Lakers?  There would have been other teams that they could have got much more for Luka.

44 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Brunson 1 game missed, ANT 1 game, Shai 2, Jokic 6 games birth of his kid, Tatum 6 games, LeBron 3 games, Giannis 6 games misses 

Huh? Load me management. The best players are playing. Just ****ing to **** when it's not true. 

And we are at the halfway point in the season.    The NBA is soft.   

Michael Jordan played 78+ games every season of his career, except for 3.  He played all 82 NINE times, including his last season in the NBA with the Wizards.
The season he rejoined the NBA with the Wizards, he played 60 games.
In '85-'86 he broke his foot and missed 64 games. 
In '94-'95 he rejoined the Bulls after retiring from baseball, and played only 17 games.

 

By comparison, Lebron has reached or exceeded 78 games 7 times in his career.  Kevin Durant topped 78 games 6 times. Doncic hasn't EVER gotten higher than 72.  Jokic has hit 78+ three times, never passed 80 games.  KAT has played 82 games only 3 times, his first 3 years, hit 77 his 4th year, and only exceeded 62 games once after that.  Jalen Brunson has reached 78 games once, and hit 77 last season, only one other season exceeded 70, his rookie year.   How many more should we check to see that the league is soft?  And let's not forget that the league was WAY WAY more physical back then.  Hard fouls were a matter of the course and just 'part of the game'.      And players played through it and through the injuries.   It's a soft league.

25 minutes ago, pisceschica said:

Thats what they're saying on reddit 
 

 

A couple things. I do think the NBA loves the idea of Luka Dončić on the Lakers. They are a big brand and it’s a big market. you get for a season or two LeBron with Luka so thats super intriguing. Then helps lakers have a star when he retires

that said, I don’t think the NBA is going to move out of the Dallas market. It is way too big of a market for them to get out of. If they’re gonna move a team to Vegas, it’s likely either gonna be an expansion team or a team in a small market that they can afford to move from that market. The Dallas market is like top five in the United States. I have a hard time believing they’re just gonna leave the Dallas market and not have anything there.

Secondly, if I’m moving a team to Vegas from Dallas, I want a star when I get there. If this move takes 5 to 6 years, Luka Dončić is gonna be entering his 30s at that point. He would be the attraction plus whatever team is coming to play you get those superstars as the attraction. I don’t want to get to Vegas and just have a god-awful team. Now they might be bad enough that before they go, they get lucky and win the lottery and get that player. But if they go that path they potential setting up an A’s situation when they bolted for Vegas 

third, I do think this is about money and paying Luka that $350 Supermax. but more due to the rule changes that the new cba installed and not all owners willing to pay the taxes, revenue/profit and losing the flexibility

tbh i believe the Dallas GM thinks Kyrie, AD and the roster can be competitive in the west and more flexibility in the future. However relying on two injury prone players and a head case in Kyrie seems like it’ll implode in his face. Imo this feels like it’ll blow up in his face. Not because he traded away Luka Dončić (based off him saying it was going to be a tumultuous summer in an interview today and potentially him opting out after next year and bolting so made decision to do it now rather than hoping he stays) but he didn’t get enough for trading away or explore more of what was out there for Luka Dončić before dealing him 

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Reid Walsh Lombardi … anyone else?

Rich Kotite. Joe Kuharich. Dave Campo.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Reid Walsh Lombardi … anyone else?

Shula?

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Agree on the stoppages, it hurts the flow of the game, but more stoppages means more commercials which means more money.

While players are more skilled they also are allowed to get away with a lot more, like traveling, palming etc that I mentioned, i mean its not like 20 years ago players couldnt dribble with their left hand like back in the 40s😄

I agree they need to go back to allowing hand checking, defense in the league is non existent and that hurts the game to the point we get what it is today where its just who can run and jack up more shots faster than the other team.

It was fun when Dantoni with the Suns were the only team that  played Small ball all game and jacked up as many shots as they could, but now that everyone plays that way theres not as much nuance or strategy.

Most people blame the warriors and steph but Dantoni was doing that before steph and the warriors , it just never caught in because Dantoni never won anything.

You talk about flow, rivers that wind and turn and have drops and bumps that create lulls and rapids are more exciting and beautiful than just a river that is raging 100 mph all the time.

The NBAs breakneck pace and inflated track meet scoring offers little variety which is why so many people are tuning out, its just not as interesting as it once was 

But even during stoppages they don't always go to commercials.  They are sitting there showing the replay over and over while the refs are trying to decide the call.

I'm not saying the game has to rage 100 mph all the time but you want a nice flow to it.  Not constantly jacking up 3's all the time but also not going to the FT line nearly every trip down or waiting for a review.

It's funny that Silver says the ratings are about the same as last year but their  social media views, Twitter, Instagram, YT, are all at all time highs.  It tells me fans are more interested in seeing clips and highlights on the internet than actually watching the game.

Just now, just relax said:

Rich Kotite. Joe Kuharich. Dave Campo.

That's quite a list.  Where's Bobby Petrino?

4 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Shula?

Don or Dave?😵‍💫

Just now, Wentz_Era said:

Shula?

I went through this list a couple weeks ago...

 

Gibbs and Shula sit at the top of my list.  Shula went to the Super Bowl with 4 different QBs, winning 2, but having 6 appearances.  Gibbs went to the Super Bowl with 3 different QBs, winning all 3.  Belichek got to the Super Bowl with only 1... granted, he got there a lot, and won a lot, but he's a tick below for me.  Reid got to the Super Bowl with 2 different QBs.... winning with 1.  Lombardi, Walsh, Noll... only ever got there with 1 QB.  Still great coaches... but a tick below as well.

14 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

People are talking like there might be some shady stuff going on with this trade.

Why wouldn't Dallas tell the whole league if they wanted to trade Luka?  Not that AD isn't really good but you got a superstar who is 25 just entering his prime and you trading him?  Makes no sense.  Clippers had to give up SGA and multiple 1st for Paul George.   Kevin Durant when he was traded got several 1st.  You telling me Dallas only got one 1st back from the Lakers?  There would have been other teams that they could have got much more for Luka.

The 4x 1sts and multiple swaps needed to be reset…but not this way.

I wonder if LA thought they were getting a prank phone call and said ‘ya ok’ as they hung up.  Then Dallas filed the trade.  

3 minutes ago, just relax said:

Don or Dave?😵‍💫

Dave had quite a sparkling HC resume at .27 or so winning record?