1 minute ago, TEW said:

Well, I don’t think we can afford to keep Williams.

But more to the point, if we are using a top 100 pick on a DT, they need to play more than 25% of the snaps.

If we want a NT, and a NT is only going to play 15 snaps per game, then Davis has to go and we have to find a cheap replacement.

My best guess is that Williams walks in free agency and we draft a more traditional DT somewhere in the first 3 rounds. Could even b as early as first round given the depth this class has. 

Keep Williams and draft a DE. Carter and Williams work well together. Sweat will get overpaid

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

When you look at someone like Ty Robinson, or Darius Alexander in this draft, or some other 2nd round or 3rd round prospect and consider the production they can give you on a 2nd round rookie contract over the next 4 years...

vs trying to settle on a number for Davis's maximum of 20 snaps per game even at something like 8 million a year....

If you have to pay Milton Williams, and Jalen Carter, it just makes sense to move on. 

I think Davis has been criminally underrated here this year. I dont think people recognize how well he is playing when on the field. But still, I dont know how you pay him for his role. 

Which is why you let him play out that 5th yr option and punt the decision

1 minute ago, TEW said:

Well, I don’t think we can afford to keep Williams.

But more to the point, if we are using a top 100 pick on a DT, they need to play more than 25% of the snaps.

If we want a NT, and a NT is only going to play 15 snaps per game, then Davis has to go and we have to find a cheap replacement.

My best guess is that Williams walks in free agency and we draft a more traditional DT somewhere in the first 3 rounds. Could even b as early as first round given the depth this class has. 

I think we will keep Williams, and draft a NT in the first 3 rounds planning to let Davis walk. 

On 2/1/2025 at 10:24 AM, mattwill said:

When you are making love to your favorite honey and the lovemaking results in multiple orgasms do you reflect only on the individual orgasms, or on the lovemaking as a continuity?

I just thank the Lord that she was in the mood and move on.

1 minute ago, Godfather said:

Keep Williams and draft a DE. Carter and Williams work well together. Sweat will get overpaid

After next yr have to pay carter and smith at the least

2 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Which is why you let him play out that 5th yr option and punt the decision

Right, you can. But I think theyll draft one this year as his replacement because there are some giant DL in this years class who are good and actually have conditioning to play. Basically, the player we hoped he would be.

With that future plan known (if it were the plan), then it also makes sense to use him in a potential Garrett trade if he holds value to Cleveland. I would think he would.

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

After next yr have to pay carter and smith at the least

And the year after, Mitchell and DeJean.

Just now, Godfather said:

Keep Williams and draft a DE. Carter and Williams work well together. Sweat will get overpaid

I don’t think we can afford Williams. He’s going to get big money.

Becton is going to be the priority. Williams will get a huge offer in free agency that we won’t match and be happy to get the 3rd round comp pick for, Sweat is up in the air depending on price, and Baun is love to keep but Howie will have to change his outlook on LBs.

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

After next yr have to pay carter and smith at the least

I think Howie will do what he did with Devonta. Pickup their 5th year options and work it in with their extensions

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If Garrett were to replace Sweat and Huff’s $ combined, I think that could make sense. Especially since they won’t be paying a CB big money after this year.

Then you’d have Garrett on the end, Smith overhang, Hunt between the 2, and a rookie preferably on the end.

Think the Eagles would be willing to spend the draft capital as well; I’d imagine they’d view Garrett as a Barkley-like exception (not 1:1 bc no trade comp for Barkley, but these are outlier talents).

Biggest hurdle is Jalen Carter’s looming mega extension imo. And the Browns playing hardball.

2 hours ago, paco said:

I can't shake the feeling that when the confetti falls, we'll have finished up by 3 scores.

We have the better team.

Reid and Mahomes are just better than Sirianni and Hurts.   That's what has me worried somewhat.

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Chefs 31 - Birds 21

I liked it better when you didn't visit here 😆

 

Hope all is well.

1 hour ago, Godfather said:

Agreed with both statements. I don't even want the Chiefs having the ball the last 2 mins. Dream scenario is we're up by 10 and run the clock out

I might even feel good if KC was up by 3 or 4 but we had the ball with 2 minutes left.

 

Its not ideal but I just don't want them to have the ball at the very end of the game with a chance to win.

48 minutes ago, TEW said:

Yeah, this is the issue no one is considering.

Even if you think Davis is the best NT in the NFL, if he’s only playing 25% of the defensive snaps, how much do you actually want to pay him?

Can you get 80% of the impact with a 4th round pick making 10% of the money?

There's another factor at play though, and that is Jalen Carter. Carter is clearly the best player on defense, and we are going to want to lock him up. For a guy who had discipline and conditioning/work ethic concerns coming out of Georgia, you have to weigh how much having Davis (and Smith and Dean) here helps get the best out of Carter. 

I see zero chance they move Davis this offseason -- either signs a team friendly extension, or we pick up the 5th year option. Can't afford to have Carter fall apart if they are really as close as is reported.

3 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

And even when theres not, like last week when he finally played well and literally no one had a negative thing to say, there will still be complainers about the complainers. Apparently...

Yet even here you can’t help slipping a dig in. Finally, my patootie!

I really like Milton Williams, thought he’s been underutilized until Fangio took over. But I question whether he’s special enough for a big contract. Is he really that much better than Ojomo?

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think we will keep Williams, and draft a NT in the first 3 rounds planning to let Davis walk. 

If we want a NT who plays 12-15 snaps, wait until day 3 to take him. No need to burn another top 100 pick on a guy with no chance to play 50%+ of snaps.

The move as I see it is Williams walk because of his price, we replace him with another athletic penetrating DT in the first three rounds, and if we want a NT we take one late.

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

I don’t think we can afford Williams. He’s going to get big money.

Becton is going to be the priority. Williams will get a huge offer in free agency that we won’t match and be happy to get the 3rd round comp pick for, Sweat is up in the air depending on price, and Baun is love to keep but Howie will have to change his outlook on LBs.

If Vic tells Howie he wants Baun back, he'll be back. Howie knows how big Baun has been for the defense. Vic is also a big fan of Williams. He tried to get the Dolphins to trade for him last year. Davis being somewhat of a disappointment and gaging his worth will factor in that decision. I think Sweat is the one who gets the big offer. I think Becton will need to decide if he wants money or his situation in Philly. Like I said earlier, Jurgens is up for an extension and there's already a ton of money invested in the Oline

7 minutes ago, greend said:

Chefs 31 - Birds 21

Same as it ever was

3 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I might even feel good if KC was up by 3 or 4 but we had the ball with 2 minutes left.

 

Its not ideal but I just don't want them to have the ball at the very end of the game with a chance to win.

No. I want the Eagles to be up with the ball with 2 mins left. Take no chances

Milton Williams gets single-blocked a ton + has an elite coverage group behind him. He's a good player, but at best the 3rd best player on our DL. Ojomo can take some of his snaps next year and we should be ok. We could also kick Graham inside next year (assuming no retirement).

Garrett is a different animal. You have to double-him. If we add him + Carter, either one gets singled-up OR we're playing 7 against 4 receivers all the time. Advantage us.

7 minutes ago, just relax said:

Yet even here you can’t help slipping a dig in. Finally, my patootie!

If you can do it, so can I. So, I did. 

7 minutes ago, TEW said:

If we want a NT who plays 12-15 snaps, wait until day 3 to take him. No need to burn another top 100 pick on a guy with no chance to play 50%+ of snaps.

The move as I see it is Williams walk because of his price, we replace him with another athletic penetrating DT in the first three rounds, and if we want a NT we take one late.

I think the new NT will play more than that, if his conditioning will allow. 

5 minutes ago, Godfather said:

If Vic tells Howie he wants Baun back, he'll be back. Howie knows how big Baun has been for the defense. Vic is also a big fan of Williams. He tried to get the Dolphins to trade for him last year. Davis being somewhat of a disappointment and gaging his worth will factor in that decision. I think Sweat is the one who gets the big offer. I think Becton will need to decide if he wants money or his situation in Philly. Like I said earlier, Jurgens is up for an extension and there's already a ton of money invested in the Oline

Sweat had no suitors last offseason. He’s a year older now. I’m not sure he’s going to get big edge money. Probably a 2 or 3 years deal with a lot of incentives.

Zero chance they let Becton walk IMO. The whole offense is built on the run game, and he’s our best pure run blocker and will eventually replace Lane Johnson.

Zero chance they let Jurgens walk either. The whole offense is built on the OL dominating and he’s a pro bowler.

Bottom line, something has to give, and Williams is going to be the most expensive to re-sign. I’d love to keep him, I’m sure Vic would love to keep him, but unless he takes a deal way under market value, I don’t see us giving him what other teams will offer.