Just now, pgcd3 said:

Well I don't think they can afford to pay 50million plus on DTs

Right, I edited. I mean specifically for Williams because it won't be long before they have to give Carter a mega contract.

6 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I just don't think they can afford a 20+ million dollar player now or in the coming years.

I agree with this, to a point. But if Fangio wants him, to make room they can trade Davis, Goedert, Huff(next season more likely) & Pickett. Didn't see the Chiefs trading Thuney, to make room for Trey Smith etc. You just never know what they will prioritize here long term. My final price after seeing all these D linemen getting paid (especially Osa) is 4/84. Not going past that. I think that's a solid deal. Paid Huff $17M on less potential or versatility just last Summer.

I'm not as high on Milton Williams as others.  I think he was a very good player this year.  If he was my best DT I'm not sure I'd be all that thrilled so 20+ million seems like too much to me.

The issue with Milton Williams, and the reason to let someone else overpay him, is that it seems highly possible/likely that his success is due to playing next to Jalen Carter. And the best evidence of that is that Moro Ojomo, a 7th round pick, put up basically the same pass rush win rate as Williams thanks to Carter. Williams had a pass rush win rate of 18.5%. Ojomo was 16.6% and got better as the season went on, peaking at 26.3% in the Super Bowl.

It's why you let someone else overpay Alvin Harper, because he's seeing single coverage due to Michael Irvin. 

Add on, this draft class is super deep at DT, and you look for another cost controlled guy to play next to Carter. Carter is the unicorn you need to pay. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

The issue with Milton Williams, and the reason to let someone else overpay him, is that it seems highly possible/likely that his success is due to playing next to Jalen Carter. And the best evidence of that is that Moro Ojomo, a 7th round pick, put up basically the same pass rush win rate as Williams thanks to Carter. Williams had a pass rush win rate of 18.5%. Ojomo was 16.6% and got better as the season went on, peaking at 26.3% in the Super Bowl.

It's why you let someone else overpay Alvin Harper, because he's seeing single coverage due to Michael Irvin. 

Yep in the Super Bowl Trey Smith & Creed Humphrey went to Carter leaving the guy who shouldn't be in the NFL at LG blocking Williams & Ojomo.  

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The issue with Milton Williams, and the reason to let someone else overpay him, is that it seems highly possible/likely that his success is due to playing next to Jalen Carter. And the best evidence of that is that Moro Ojomo, a 7th round pick, put up basically the same pass rush win rate as Williams thanks to Carter. Williams had a pass rush win rate of 18.5%. Ojomo was 16.6% and got better as the season went on, peaking at 26.3% in the Super Bowl.

It's why you let someone else overpay Alvin Harper, because he's seeing single coverage due to Michael Irvin. 

Overpaying is all relative. I think McNeil money is overpaying. Hargrave money, isn't for a guy who's only getting better and entering his prime. Ojomo is not Williams and can't play DE like Williams can. He had 0 sacks last year at EOD. Also this elite depth on D-line will not be matched once he leaves. And Graham and Sweat.  Also, Williams established himself as a playmaker the last time we saw him destruct Mahomes.

1 hour ago, Dwide Schrude said:

No eagles news since Baun got re-signed. Wonder if we get something today. Still have Jurgens & Blankenship looming extensions & decisions to make on Goedert, Slay, and Jordan Davis.

 

Jurgens can't be extended until the first day of the new league year so doubt we hear anything on that until then.

Just now, jojodancer said:

Overpaying is all relative. I think McNeil money is overpaying. Hargrave money, isn't for a guy who's only getting better and entering his prime. Ojomo is not Williams and can't play DE like Williams can. He had 0 sacks last year at EOD. Also this elite depth will not be matched once he leaves. Also, Williams established himself as a playmaker the last time we saw him destruct Mahomes.

I'm like 80% convinced you ARE Milton Williams or are related to him.

He's gone dude, and it's the right call. Let someone else pay him 22-25mm AAV and give us a 3rd round comp pick.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I'm like 80% convinced you ARE Milton Williams or are related to him.

He's gone dude, and it's the right call. Let someone else pay him 22-25mm AAV and give us a 3rd round comp pick.

You are not 100%? 

49 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Perhaps the ballsiest 4th down call in the history of the Eagles.

 

 

 

Philly Special would like a word with you

Just now, jojodancer said:

You are not 100%? 

The only thing I know with 100% certainty is....

THE PHILADELPHIA EAGLES ARE WORLD CHAMPIONS

14 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Jurgens can't be extended until the first day of the new league year so doubt we hear anything on that until then.

They can be extended as soon as their third regular season ends

 

 

14 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The only thing I know with 100% certainty is....

THE PHILADELPHIA EAGLES ARE WORLD CHAMPIONS

Idk I’m 100% certain the sixers and flyers aren’t winning crap this year 

20 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Philly Special would like a word with you

This.  Seriously, wtf?

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

 

Nice

 

 

We should trade him

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They can be extended as soon as their third regular season ends

YOU DOUBT HIS WORD?!!!!

 

 

55 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The Eagles don't let 25 year old studs go, but I think it'll depend on how they evaluate him. If they consider him a franchise cornerstone stud, then it would be unheard of him them to let him go. If they view him as a good rotational DT then it makes a lot more sense.

This logic is pre-Howie hitting on all his premium picks. Definition of "stud” has shifted higher since then.

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

There were others but you moved the goalposts...

Anyway I'm done with the argument. I don't believe he's worth it and you do

OK, I’ll bite. How did I move the goal posts?

and here’s another question for you is a quarterback, scrambling on a passing play part of that team’s running attack?

45 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The issue with Milton Williams, and the reason to let someone else overpay him, is that it seems highly possible/likely that his success is due to playing next to Jalen Carter. And the best evidence of that is that Moro Ojomo, a 7th round pick, put up basically the same pass rush win rate as Williams thanks to Carter. Williams had a pass rush win rate of 18.5%. Ojomo was 16.6% and got better as the season went on, peaking at 26.3% in the Super Bowl.

It's why you let someone else overpay Alvin Harper, because he's seeing single coverage due to Michael Irvin. 

Add on, this draft class is super deep at DT, and you look for another cost controlled guy to play next to Carter. Carter is the unicorn you need to pay. 

 

I like him, but he's going to go to a team that expects him to be their top DT or pair with an equal and he won't be Jalen Carter, or have Carter to benefit from. His snap count went up after Hargrave left, then again after Cox left. Now Ojomo's snaps will increase and they'll add a DT (or two?) to add to the mix. Rinse and repeat that process to keep bringing in young talent. They're going to have to pay Carter huge so need to keep the cheaper talent on rookie deals around him.

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

OK, I’ll bite. How did I move the goal posts?

and here’s another question for you is a quarterback, scrambling on a passing play part of that team’s running attack?

Nothing to bite on. You asked a question and I answered it but you didn't accept the answer. So I provided another and you didn't accept that either

Not sure what that has to do with it. I'd rather just drop it at this point

49 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Philly Special would like a word with you

Eagles had a 3 point lead with 30 seconds left in the half at the Patriots 1 yard line.  It was ballsy but at the same time if they didn't get it then they were still almost certainly still going into half with a 3 point lead.

 

This was 4th and 5 and midfield with just over 2 minutes left in the half with a 2 point lead after the Redskins just scored 9 unanswered points (missed field goal on their TD the previous drive). If the Eagles didn't get that 4th down then the Redskins are likely closing out that half with anywhere from a 1 point to a 6 point lead heading into half with complete momentum and 12-17 unanswered points as the Eagles wouldn't have scored since the 1st quarter.

That 4th down play drastically shifted the direction of the momentum of the game and really opened it up for the Eagles.

40 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They can be extended as soon as their third regular season ends

 

Berman and Bo were saying otherwise on their podcast.  They have to wait until the league new year actually begins before Cam is officially in his 3rd season.

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Berman and Bo were saying otherwise on their podcast.

Well they'd be wrong. It's in the CBA. It's not common since teams usually work on expiring contracts/free agency and the rookie is under contract still, but there's nothing stopping them. 

 

 

They both have been slipping recently too, especially thinking Rodgers would be a RFA for some reason.

26 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Perhaps the ballsiest 4th down call in the history of the Eagles.

 

 

 

Craziest call in the last 91 years.