2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I would be fine either way about Davis, keep him, let him walk, extend him, I'm kind of indifferent and trust Fangio and coaches.

I do think it's interesting how many fans once rationalized trading a 3rd round pick for Golden Tate for an 8 game rental because he caught 1 pass in the playoffs and said it was worth it.

Yeah... I wasn't one of those. . Definitely not worth it.

This is 2nd-3rd round level tape here. The Butcher is the real deal.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I have no interest.

I don't believe the Eagles will either.

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I don't believe the Eagles will either.

Isn't the earliest he can be let out is next year?

24 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I would be fine either way about Davis, keep him, let him walk, extend him, I'm kind of indifferent and trust Fangio and coaches.

I do think it's interesting how many fans once rationalized trading a 3rd round pick for Golden Tate for an 8 game rental because he caught 1 pass in the playoffs and said it was worth it.

JD is here for a couple of years, and this doesn’t preclude an extension (as Howie would like to spread out that $12M 2026 hit) but it does create a floor of sorts which might difficult to manage… or maybe not as salaries seem to be exploding.

40 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is 2nd-3rd round level tape here. The Butcher is the real deal.

Nice. So why wasn't he drafted?

50 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

DeVonta Smith's best friend. Lurie gave Mike Vick a 2nd chance. He's 26.

I'm not sure serving time in prison for a few years will allow them to "pay" for taking a life, but I'd rather sign someone like that than someone with a history of beating women. One was a criminally bad and absolutely selfish and irresponsible decision to drive and the other is a pattern of disgusting and inexecutable actions. Within reason and depending on what they did if we don't give people a second chance after prison then what is the incentive for anyone who serves time to change? I'd be good with it.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I was using the new houses analogy for the draft. Every year, cheaper talent comes into the league.

The Eagles dumped CJGJ's salary and added Andrew Mukuba.

They decided not to pay the king's ransom for Milton Williams and instead added Ty Robinson.
They let Darius Slay leave and added Mac McWilliams.

They let Mekhi Becton leave and added 2 more huge OTs.
They let Josh Sweat leave and added APR.

They traded away Kenny Pickett and added Kyle McCord.

The combined cost of those players will be less than any one of Becton, Williams, Sweat or Slay.

It had nothing to do with houses.

Fair enough. Thanks for taking the time to explain.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So you're saying that if he was good enough, they'd play him more, like they do with Carter, like they did with Williams.

2022: Cox played 64%, Hargrave 64%, Williams 36%, Davis 20%... midseason additions Suh and Joseph played 16% and 17%, respectively.

2023: Cox still got 59%, Carter 48%, Davis 45%, Williams 42%, Ojomo 6%.

2024: Carter went up to 79%, Williams up to 48%, Davis dropped to 37% and Ojomo jumped to 37%, Booker got 16%.

What's the moral of the story? In seasons where the Eagles did better, Davis played less snaps. In the one where the team was worse, he played more. I'm not saying its a straight correlation, but him seeing more playing time isn't a harbinger of good things for this team. With Cox gone, a lot of snaps became available. And we saw Carter, Williams, and Ojomo all increase their snaps, while only Davis saw fewer snaps.

You are treating this as if every game in each season provides the same opportunities as every other game. That clearly is not the case. Just compare SB LIX to SB LVII. Same two teams but totally different games. Context matters.

"Up to"

For Moore that's a good price. I would've been interested I think he's better than Dotson. But I get why the Eagles didn't.

Please sign Za'Darius and maybe a safety.

5 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You are treating this as if every game in each season provides the same opportunities as every other game. That clesrly is not the case. Just compare SB LIX to SB LVII. Same two teams but totally different games. Context matters.

And we smoked so many teams that we were in pass rush packages all the time

2 hours ago, schuy7 said:

Thought the same thing. I'll add that he could benefit from being more mean. I know I sound like a tater, but he's the nicest, warmest guy. Football, especially at his position, isn't so nice. It seems like he could benefit from a different mindset/maybe even loving the sport and nastiness of it more.

Maybe Robinson and Carter will wear off on him.

2 hours ago, schuy7 said:

Thought the same thing. I'll add that he could benefit from being more mean. I know I sound like a tater, but he's the nicest, warmest guy. Football, especially at his position, isn't so nice. It seems like he could benefit from a different mindset/maybe even loving the sport and nastiness of it more.

2 hours ago, garingovt2000 said:

The comp to Eli was brutal.

47 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I'm not sure serving time in prison for a few years will allow them to "pay" for taking a life, but I'd rather sign someone like that than someone with a history of beating women. One was a criminally bad and absolutely selfish and irresponsible decision to drive and the other is a pattern of disgusting and inexecutable actions. Within reason and depending on what they did if we don't give people a second chance after prison then what is the incentive for anyone who serves time to change? I'd be good with it.

I'd rather keep hardly ever throwing to Dotson, than sign Ruggs to hardly ever throw to him.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So you're saying that if he was good enough, they'd play him more, like they do with Carter, like they did with Williams.

2022: Cox played 64%, Hargrave 64%, Williams 36%, Davis 20%... midseason additions Suh and Joseph played 16% and 17%, respectively.

2023: Cox still got 59%, Carter 48%, Davis 45%, Williams 42%, Ojomo 6%.

2024: Carter went up to 79%, Williams up to 48%, Davis dropped to 37% and Ojomo jumped to 37%, Booker got 16%.

What's the moral of the story? In seasons where the Eagles did better, Davis played less snaps. In the one where the team was worse, he played more. I'm not saying its a straight correlation, but him seeing more playing time isn't a harbinger of good things for this team. With Cox gone, a lot of snaps became available. And we saw Carter, Williams, and Ojomo all increase their snaps, while only Davis saw fewer snaps.

You’re conflating outcome with cause.

If you have the #1 defense, and a good offense, and you constantly have leads, then the other team is playing from behind and will pass more.

Williams got a lot of snaps because teams were playing from behind and Milton is the better pass rusher. If the eagles had been playing from behind, Davis would have gotten more snaps because other teams would try to run the clock down on us.

3 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I'd rather keep hardly ever throwing to Dotson, than sign Ruggs to hardly ever throw to him.

Dotson is gone and will want a bigger role to earn a bigger contract.

Ruggs would be much cheaper and is one of the fastest players in the history of the NFL. His impact on low volume has way more potential and can actually compliment the offense by making teams pay when they sell out against the run.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

Dotson is gone and will want a bigger role to earn a bigger contract.

Ruggs would be much cheaper and is one of the fastest players in the history of the NFL. His impact on low volume has way more potential and can actually compliment the offense by making teams pay when they sell out against the run.

Just like Quez used to do ...

1 minute ago, TEW said:

Dotson is gone and will want a bigger role to earn a bigger contract.

Ruggs would be much cheaper and is one of the fastest players in the history of the NFL. His impact on low volume has way more potential and can actually compliment the offense by making teams pay when they sell out against the run.

I don't mean to be Hurts bashing here but the brutal honest truth is that Hurts can't reach a WR as fast as Ruggs on deep balls.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I have no interest.

Why? Because he committed a crime and served his punishment? Huge issue for our country if we can’t forgive.

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

No, my theory is that Fangio didn’t think he was good enough to play more snaps when the stakes were at its highest, and when playing with a lead he isn’t worth having on the field because he isn’t even good at pushing the pocket.

For $13M he should command more playing time, period.

Well, they weren't going to bench Carter or Williams on passing downs to give Davis more snaps.

He might get more snaps this year when he's competing against Ojomo and Robinson for PT.

23 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Mama don't likes you playing that foosball!

There were a couple things different about the Vick situation. The first thing was he signed with us, a team that had no current need at QB. The second thing was that Dungy went to bat for him as a person that legitimately changed while serving his time. I don't think Lurie would have touched him with a ten foot pole if Dungy hadn't vouched for him. The Eagles definitely received backlash from some and Vick continued to poll as sports' most hated player by fans. I really liked how hard Vick worked to change and continue to root for his success in life.

I'd like to hear a convincing reason Ruggs deserves a 2nd chance before I'd get on board. I have no problem with Smith being his friend, but that doesn't sway my opinion on Ruggs. For now, I'd prefer to let another team take on the baggage. It isn't always going to work out like things did with Vick. There may not be a ton of guys that can run a sub-4.3 forty, but there are plenty of guys that can reach the same top speed as Ruggs.

2 hours ago, schuy7 said:

Thought the same thing. I'll add that he could benefit from being more mean. I know I sound like a tater, but he's the nicest, warmest guy. Football, especially at his position, isn't so nice. It seems like he could benefit from a different mindset/maybe even loving the sport and nastiness of it more.

None of us know what he's like on the field. I've read that Ty Robinson is a really nice guy off the field. When he suits up and crosses those white lines he flips a switch. Now he ain't so nice anymore. I don't know if something like that applies to Davis or not.