Might be a lot of work to figure out, but where in the top 10 does the 2018 draft now rank? We drafted 5 players

Dallas Goedert

Matt Pryor (15 starts in 2024)

Avonte Maddox

Josh Sweat

Jordan Mailata 

 

All 5 draft picks still in the league, 4 still with the Eagles 7 years later, all started a combined 55 games in 2024, and the worst producer in 2024 was maybe Maddox who has 41 career starts to his name 

I imagine the Eagles already have someone lines up and an announcement should be made within the next few days.

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, McMVP said:

I have no problem with an opposing fan, feeling confident, but confidence is one thing and objectivity is another.  

I definitely felt that the Chiefs had a chance to win that game, and a good one.  But I could not picture a scenario in which they destroyed us.  It was a lot easier for me to picture the scenario where the Eagles kick their ass like they did.  

There’s no going back to 2022, but who here really thinks that the Eagles lose that Super Bowl if it was played on turf?  I didn’t really complain all that much about the field conditions afterwards (well, not compared to many others).  It sort of felt like blaming the refs, and I don’t usually like doing that either. But after seeing this game, and the way this defense plays on turf, it does make me wonder ‘what if’?

It was interesting paying attention to all the fans who were present at the Super Bowl. I did not see much boasting from either side as they entered the stadium...of course...there was the non-stop E-A-G-L-E-S chants. The Chiefs fans sitting near me were relatively quiet. The big screen kept panning to the fans alternating between Eagles and Chiefs. It was fascinating to watch as the game went along...watching the Chiefs fans body language change.

Resiliency exists inside every living creature that allows us to overcome adversity. It is hardwired into us, and it not only exists in individuals but also in groups, teams, and organizations. When we tap into resiliency, amazing things happen. I believe the Eagles do not win the game if they did not lose to the Chiefs two years ago, go through a major losing streak last year, and a dumb loss to Washington at the end of the season. Those events built up the team's resiliency and the team tapped into it at the right moment....I felt a quiet confidence going into the game because of this. 

A famous boxer (can't remember who) once said something about all planning, training and strategy going out the window when you get the first punch in the mouth. The amazing thing about the game ( much like the other Super Bowl win) was that the Eagles threw the first punch in the mouth. The Chiefs were forced into reaction mode and they just didn't respond. Among other things, Reid turtled and gave up on the running game...and the rest is history.

43 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Schefter: Eagles Pro-Bowl center Cam Jurgens underwent a back procedure Tuesday in Los Angeles with Dr. Robert Watkins to alleviate nerve pain, per sources. Doctors believe a full recovery is expected by July, in time for training camp. Jurgens is headed into the final season of his rookie contract.

This is not surprising news.   We'll likely hear about a surgery on Dickerson's knee very soon as well.   Glad to hear that he's expected to have a full recovery.  But, I think now is the time to get him signed to a long term deal.  It might offer the team a little more friendly contract terms, and offer him some security.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

.  You invoked legalese about the way our judicial system works, planting us firmly into definition 1 in terms of your usage.  Juries have to presume innocence and it is the job of the prosecution to build a case to prove guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt.  But, that's not what this place is for, nor has it ever operated under that premise.  Your statement (posed as a question) implied that the folks who were not happy, or were criticizing this move were in some way wrong, because of how our judicial system works.   Sorry, Matt.   You are 0 for 2 on this one.  And, in my post that you quoted... I didn't even give an opinion.  I said I wouldn't complain, but that I wasn't excited... aka, I shared an emotion, or lack thereof.  

You jumped to a conclusion when you leapt into the courtroom.  Innocent until proven guilty exists in our society, not just when there is a trial.  It is a presumption.  Your leap to that narrow path is understandable but unnecessary. I presented an alternative to being Negadelphian.  Nothing more, nothing less.

Your invocation of the 0 for 2 metaphor rests on a foundation of arbitrating right and wrong.  That is your schtick.  My schtick is that there more often than not is no right answer, but rather that many right answers coexist simultaneously.  Their relative rightness depends on the "framing” they are approached with.  That is true in this latest verbal sparring between the two of us … the latest in a long history of similar divergences.

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I stopped making predictions in the blog after the bye, and the superstition worked (you're welcome). Before kickoff I told the people I was with (dad, bro, niece, buddy and his 2 kids) that I thought we were going to blow the Chiefs out. There was no way to look at the 2 teams and conclude that Philly didn't have a massive talent advantage -- there were only a handful of Chiefs players that would start for the Eagles. Being generous, let's say 4 on offense (Mahomes, Humphrey, Trey Smith and Kelce); I'm not sure this version of Kelce starts over Goedert, and Smith vs. Becton is close. On defense...I guess some would take Chris Jones over Jalen Carter, but I wouldn't. Karlaftis over Sweat? That's pretty much it.

The national media basically spent 2 weeks saying "Mahomes and Reid will find a way." There was no logic to it. In SB 52, we were the more talented team, but Brady balled out and kept it close. Mahomes couldn't do that and it was a rout.

Ok. No more predictions from you... ever.  And we'll go on to win the Super Bowl every year! 

24 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

My wife's uncle is a big Chiefs fan (has been forever, so not a bandwagon fan).  I'd been ribbing him for 2 weeks leading up to the super bowl, saying the refs were just gonna help Mahomes win another one like they did with the holding call against us in the last one, to which he always just laughed off.

This past Sunday night I saw him and of course started crowing about the Eagles stomping them, and he responded by saying that the NFL had to have rigged the game or paid off Mahomes because they hadn't looked that bad all year, or really ever.  

Except their offense was not great this year, they lost big to Tampa a few years back, and Mahomes had I think one of his worst statistical seasons this year. Other than that, totally accurate. 

Their fans made excuses after that they were too injured on the O line, struggled all year on offense, they were thinking too much about 3peat, the defense wasn't as good as they thought, the teams they beat in the AFC weren't as good as they thought, etc. it was just funny how opposite the comments were than the same talking points before.

I was on here for for the 2 weeks before the Superbowl and previously saying that Mahomes was slightly overrated and Hurts was slightly underrated. And there wasn't much of a gap at this point. And that the Chiefs last 2 Superbowls were all about their defense, not Mahomes.

Maybe this sounds alot more accurate today. If you watch the Chiefs every week you see all the warts there. They were masked pretty good with great coaching, great defense and solid special teams. And timely plays with help from the refs on 50/50 calls. But the offense was sputtering a bunch over the last 3 years but managed to pull things out in the 4th quarter each time. The offensive line was bad at the tackle spot for a couple years now. The offense has not been the same since Tyreek trade. Not even close.

Mahomes has been a game manager dink and dunker since and not as dynamic. It all finally caught up to them. Their 15-2 record was fools gold. Nothing really too convincing. But the media blew smoke up everybody's butts. Wasn't ever buying into any of it. Was so happy to get the revenge match this year. It's really just icing on the cake with the Brady Superbowl win in 52.

6 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You jumped to a conclusion when you leapt into the courtroom.  Innocent until proven guilty exists in our society, not just when there is a trial.  It is a presumption.  Your leap to that narrow path is understandable but unnecessary. I presented an alternative to being Negadelphian.  Nothing more, nothing less.

Your invocation of the 0 for 2 metaphor rests on a foundation of arbitrating right and wrong.  That is your schtick.  My schtick is that there more often than not is no right answer, but rather that many right answers coexist simultaneously.  Their relative rightness depends on the "framing” they are approached with.  That is true in this latest verbal sparring between the two of us … the latest in a long history of similar divergences.

It is not Negadelphian to believe the Eagles made a poor hire when they hired a guy connected at the hip to Sirianni, who has struggled with running the offense here.  It is not Negadelphian to be disappointed that the team didn't interview more candidates from the outside and immediately turned to an internal promotion.  It is not Negadelphian to presume that the passing game coordinator may not be the best option to promote when the offense struggled mightily, especially early, when they focused primarily on the passing game, and the team only got significantly better when the focus was running.  So, yeah, there are objective reasons to be less than enthused about this hire, and it isn't just about being a Negadelphian.  

38 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

What would it cost to trade for Travon Walker?  Would you be more interested in trading for him or Myles Garrett based on expected contract/picks to give up?

He's 24 year old #1 overall pick coming off 2 straight 10 sack seasons he'd likely be more expensive than Garrett in draft capital (because you're buying all his prime years rather than the tail end) and if he plays his final year of his rookie deal at the same level of his last 2 (he likely beats 10 sacks here, the Jags secondary is horrible), his contract extension would be a market setter like Garrett's but longer.

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Wow.  That's a lot of hubris from a group where their team was irrelevant already for nearly a decade.  Between 1992 and 2000, they had ONE season with 10 wins... but 4 seasons with 6 or fewer wins.  They were 54-89-1 during that span.   Yeah... they were better than everyone.   

They were super excited because the year before they snuck into the playoffs as a 6th seed, beat Tampa in the wildcard round with a historically bad offensive display (41 yards receiving, 95 yards rushing, 136 total   ), and then got their s*** pushed in by Seattle.... who was without Shaun Alexander.  So clearly when they signed\traded for Brandon Lloyd, Antwaan Randle El, Adam Archuleta, Andre Carter, TJ Duckett, Todd Collins, and Christian Fauria, they were on the verge of greatness.  Superbowl was expected!  Anyone who didn't predict 13 wins shunned!

 

 

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I stopped making predictions in the blog after the bye, and the superstition worked (you're welcome). Before kickoff I told the people I was with (dad, bro, niece, buddy and his 2 kids) that I thought we were going to blow the Chiefs out. There was no way to look at the 2 teams and conclude that Philly didn't have a massive talent advantage -- there were only a handful of Chiefs players that would start for the Eagles. Being generous, let's say 4 on offense (Mahomes, Humphrey, Trey Smith and Kelce); I'm not sure this version of Kelce starts over Goedert, and Smith vs. Becton is close. On defense...I guess some would take Chris Jones over Jalen Carter, but I wouldn't. Karlaftis over Sweat? That's pretty much it.

The national media basically spent 2 weeks saying "Mahomes and Reid will find a way." There was no logic to it. In SB 52, we were the more talented team, but Brady balled out and kept it close. Mahomes couldn't do that and it was a rout.

I was very confident, especially after the NFCCG. I predicted they'd win by at least 2 scores. I didn't expect the defense to dominate as much as they did, could not have guessed they would be 34-0 in the end of the 3rd quarter. The Chiefs scored most of their points AFTER they dumped Gatorade on Siri. That's insane.

Media and Chiefs fans all said that same comment, about the Eagles roster and overall team being better...but Mahomes and Reid. Reid was outcoached, had no answers and looked lost on the sidelines. Mahomes was rattled. I give him credit because he kept fighting and trying. But the Chiefs were completely demoralized.

If they don't sack up and get refocused, this could be an ugly SB hangover year for them. Kelce might retire, he looked already retired in that game. He wants fame and money and attention, and can make more off the field at this point. They have their own free agent decisions to make. And that performance is going to haunt them all offseason.

In addition, their AFC competition are going to look at the Tampa and our games against them and load up on the defensive line. It's supposedly a deep draft for D line. I wouldn't be surprised to see them be the teams that trade for guys like Garrett. Maybe even see Williams or Sweat go to the AFC. 

1 hour ago, McMVP said:

I have no problem with an opposing fan feeling confident, but confidence is one thing and objectivity is another.  

I definitely felt that the Chiefs had a chance to win that game, and a good one.  But I could not picture a scenario in which they destroyed us.  It was a lot easier for me to picture the scenario where the Eagles kicked their ass like they did.  

There’s no going back to 2022, but who here really thinks that the Eagles lose that Super Bowl if it was played on turf?  I didn’t really complain all that much about the field conditions afterwards (well, not compared to many others).  It sort of felt like blaming the refs, and I don’t usually like doing that either. But after seeing this game, and the way this defense plays on turf, it does make me wonder ‘what if’?

I wish the field were better also, but I agree. I have no issue with their confidence. A two time defending champion’s fanbase should be confident. But they were downright cocky and arrogant and it’s funny how I’m now reading their fans saying that about us lol. 

58 minutes ago, NOTW said:

They complained about the refs a LOT. At first saying now people can stop saying the refs favor the Chiefs, then saying they overcorrected.

One favorite was the guy who said maybe the game is rigged...to set up Mahomes for a big comeback to make the game more entertaining and drive ratings. 

One guy predicting a 4-peat too. 

13 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

I was on here for for the 2 weeks before the Superbowl and previously saying that Mahomes was slightly overrated and Hurts was slightly underrated. And there wasn't much of a gap at this point. And that the Chiefs last 2 Superbowls were all about their defense, not Mahomes.

Maybe this sounds alot more accurate today. If you watch the Chiefs every week you see the all warts there. They were masked pretty good with great coaching, great defense and solid special teams. And timely plays with help from the refs on 50/50 calls. But the offense was sputtering a bunch over the last 3 years but managed to pull things out in the 4th quarter each time. The offensive line was bad at the tackle spot for a couple years now. It finally caught up to them. Their 15-2 record was fools gold. Nothing really too convincing. But the media blew smoke up everybody's butts. Wasn't ever buying into any of it. Was so happy to get the revenge match this year. It's really just icing on the cake with the Brady Superbowl win in 52.

Chiefs had backups at tackle when they were beat by Bucs in SB LV. It's not really a "finally caught up to them" situation

15 minutes ago, NOTW said:

If they don't sack up and get refocused, this could be an ugly SB hangover year for them. Kelce might retire, he looked already retired in that game. He wants fame and money and attention, and can make more off the field at this point. They have their own free agent decisions to make. And that performance is going to haunt them all offseason.

We'll see if the Chiefs have a candle to hold up to the Patriots' reign of terror.  The Patriots came back after losing the Super Bowl with a vengeance the following year.  

After losing the 2007 SB, they won 11 games the next year, 10 the following and then 14.  

They got back to the SB in 2011, only to be beaten by the Giants again... but then won 12 games 3 years in a row, winning the Super Bowl again in that 3rd year (2014).

They lost the SB in 2017, but immediately went back to win it the following year in 2018.

 

The Chiefs came back after losing in 2020 to win 12 games, and then win the Super Bowl the following year.

We'll see if this team can pick themselves up off the mat and keep going, or if this is the beginning of the end for them.  But to the Patriots' credit, even a season ending injury to Tom Brady didn't completely derail them.  They still won 11 games with Matt Cassell, even though they did miss the playoffs that year.  They lost the tiebreaker to both the Dolphins and Ravens, who both also finished 11-5.  The Super Bowl loser curse may land hard on the Chiefs this year given how that game went for them.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Chiefs had backups at tackle when they were beat by Bucs in SB LV. It's not really a "finally caught up to them" situation

Talking about last 2 Superbowls. Tackle position has not been good. Mediocre at best. Interior line is great though.

33 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I was very confident, especially after the NFCCG. I predicted they'd win by at least 2 scores. I didn't expect the defense to dominate as much as they did, could not have guessed they would be 34-0 in the end of the 3rd quarter. The Chiefs scored most of their points AFTER they dumped Gatorade on Siri. That's insane.

Media and Chiefs fans all said that same comment, about the Eagles roster and overall team being better...but Mahomes and Reid. Reid was outcoached, had no answers and looked lost on the sidelines. Mahomes was rattled. I give him credit because he kept fighting and trying. But the Chiefs were completely demoralized.

If they don't sack up and get refocused, this could be an ugly SB hangover year for them. Kelce might retire, he looked already retired in that game. He wants fame and money and attention, and can make more off the field at this point. They have their own free agent decisions to make. And that performance is going to haunt them all offseason.

In addition, their AFC competition are going to look at the Tampa and our games against them and load up on the defensive line. It's supposedly a deep draft for D line. I wouldn't be surprised to see them be the teams that trade for guys like Garrett. Maybe even see Williams or Sweat go to the AFC. 

My biggest question on the Chiefs going forward is...did the Eagles beating them down completely remove their mystique. They've basically been banking on luck and teams like Baltimore and Buffalo beating themselves. Those teams go into playoff games against the Chiefs and seem to just be waiting for disaster. Now that they not only lost, but got crushed, will Allen and Lamar finally break through?

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

My biggest question on the Chiefs going forward is...did the Eagles beating them down completely remove their mystique. They've basically been banking on luck and teams like Baltimore and Buffalo beating themselves. Those teams go into playoff gams against the Chiefs and seem to just be waiting for disaster. Now that they not only lost, but got crushed, will Allen and Lamar finally break through?

I think they have to have a Howie Roseman offseason (last year specifically) or they are a wildcard team if the Chargers or Broncos just take a small step. It's a more even division now. They experienced what the Pats did when they were playing in a bad division with Dolphins, Bills and Jets for a long time. It's easy to get home field in that setup when Broncos, Chargers & Raiders have been medicoce or terrible. Won't be as easy now. Regardless, they are at best, the #3 team in the conference right now.

49 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

What would it cost to trade for Travon Walker?  Would you be more interested in trading for him or Myles Garrett based on expected contract/picks to give up?

Setting aside the actual trade capital it would take, for me the biggest cost would be the opportunity cost of Walker being close to his second contract negotiation.  The AJ Brown trade is a case in point.  He cost a Round 1 pick in the trade, but he also cost the contract extension at significant Cap dollars,  Howie had no problem making that trade at that time because Cap dollars were readily available then.  Unfortunately, Cap dollars are much less available now so choosing between a player like AJ or Walker and a newly drafted player at the same position, the bias is toward the drafted player.

JMO

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

 will Allen and Lamar finally break through?

Not sure those two teams will even be the best in their divisions next year. They are bottom of the league in cap space and it's hard to see them getting a lot better next season.

44 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

A famous boxer (can't remember who) once said something about all planning, training and strategy going out the window when you get the first punch in the mouth. The amazing thing about the game ( much like the other Super Bowl win) was that the Eagles threw the first punch in the mouth. The Chiefs were forced into reaction mode and they just didn't respond. Among other things, Reid turtled and gave up on the running game...and the rest is history.

Mike Tyson

1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

Not sure those two teams will even be the best in their divisions next year. They are bottom of the league in cap space and it's hard to see them getting a lot better next season.

I mean, the AFC East is a dumpster fire.

Maybe Cincy can give Baltimore a run if they keep everyone.

In a league with a hard salary cap ....... just draft and develop your own players.  You have them under cost control on a rookie deal for 4 years, plus 5th year option for first round picks.  

If the Chiefs lose 2 out of these free agents (Reid, Bolton & Smith) and Kelce retires, I have a hard time imagining them getting near the Superbowl next year. They don't have the in team replacements to restock that roster like the Eagles have done recently. Think this year could be a reset as far as actual true Superbowl contention. Andy has turned it around fast before, but this time seems more ominous. I'm also going to keep an eye on Mahomes and see if he's lost anything. I do see that his mobility is slipping some. He needs a top offensive line or that could spell trouble.