8 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Is it reasonable to just accept that Jordan Davis will never be able to increase his snap count?  I wish he'd just spend an offseason with Lane Johnson and do something to shock his cardio.  He at least proved this season he is a monster whenever he is in, and he continued that through the SB.  

Yeah I think at this point, he is what he is. He could get the Barnett treatment and his 2nd contract will be like a part-time rotational player. It worked with Williams taking more snaps, so either Ojomo needs to take on a lot more or they need another draft pick. It's funny to think they might need to draft two D linemen high.

"Me more than anybody — especially coming off my injury last year, understands that this is a business,” Dean said, via Jeff Kerr of CBSSports.com. "He gotta do what’s best for him and his family. Hopefully what’s best is the Philadelphia Eagles. Plus, I’m pushing for him to stay for selfish reasons. Whatever he gotta do to make it happen, then he’ll make it happen.”

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nakobe-dean-on-zack-baun-hopefully-whats-best-for-him-is-best-for-eagles

14 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Eagles have several needs in this draft.

DE/Edge (2 of them would be good), LB, TE.

And could use depth at RB, WR, offensive line and another defensive back or 2 to add to the mix.

Then people want to liberally use a high pick on a defensive tackle, just because it's DT heavy and favorable. If you can sign Williams for 3/63 or 4/84 you do it.  I'm not sure that's the final price, but he's a top prize in this market. Then we focus on other needs after that. 

There is no way I sign Williams for that amount. The key question for me is -- how much of his success is due to Carter being on the field? I don't know if the sample size is large enough, but I'd love to see his pressure rate with and without JC next to him. You know Howie is looking at that.

More importantly -- Ojomo had 31 pressures in 388 snaps per PFF and was a monster in the Super Bowl. Williams has 40 pressures in 500 snaps. So both were getting pressure ~8% of the time, but Ojomo got better as the year went on. Finally, this upcoming draft is super deep at DT.

Let someone else overpay Sweat and Williams. Bring back Baun and Becton.

59 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Then I was arrogant, but exceedingly accurate.

We didn't have Wilbert for 1980 SB.  That was huge blow for us.

I’m not sure if you’re making a joke I don’t understand, but Wilbert played in the Super Bowl. The highlight of the game was the very first offensive play when he ripped off a nice run for about eight yards. Two plays later Jaws got picked off and the game fell apart. 

10 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Eagles have several needs in this draft.

DE/Edge (2 of them would be good), LB, TE.

And could use depth at RB, WR, offensive line and another defensive back or 2 to add to the mix.

Then people want to liberally use a high pick on a defensive tackle, just because it's DT heavy and favorable. If you can sign Williams for 3/63 or 4/84 you do it.  I'm not sure that's the final price, but he's a top prize in this market.

Then we focus on other needs after that. This may also put Howie in a place of leverage in the draft and being able to trade down for extra picks and hold another masterclass.

So your list of needs is:

1. DE/Edge
2. DE/Edge
3. LB
4. TE
5. RB
6. WR
7. O line
8. DB
9. DB

 

Berman doesn't think the Eagles will pick up Jordan Davis' option.

14 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Is it reasonable to just accept that Jordan Davis will never be able to increase his snap count?  I wish he'd just spend an offseason with Lane Johnson and do something to shock his cardio.  He at least proved this season he is a monster whenever he is in, and he continued that through the SB.  

Remember the play last year I think it was where he chased down that QB at full steam then did a belly flop to the sideline? I think that maxed out his cardio and possibly took a few years off his life lol.

3 minutes ago, John Blutarski said:

Remember the play last year I think it was where he chased down that QB at full steam then did a belly flop to the sideline? I think that maxed out his cardio and possibly took a few years off his life lol.

😄 Unrealistic to put Davis as more than what he is right now. A role playing run stopper. I'd like to keep him for a reasonable price, but definitely want him for the 5th year and assess then.

2 minutes ago, John Blutarski said:

Remember the play last year I think it was where he chased down that QB at full steam then did a belly flop to the sideline? I think that maxed out his cardio and possibly took a few years off his life lol.

I was literally thinking about that play as I typed my response.  It was Josh Allen, and it was one of the most amazing run-downs by a giant man I've ever seen.  Simultaneously, all of his cardio soul left his body at that moment for the remainder of the season.  

6 minutes ago, NOTW said:

So your list of needs is:

1. DE/Edge
2. DE/Edge
3. LB
4. TE
5. RB
6. WR
7. O line
8. DB
9. DB

 

I didn't really study this that hard. But that sounds like a good list. Of course it depends on what happens in March. 

12 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

There is no way I sign Williams for that amount. The key question for me is -- how much of his success is due to Carter being on the field? I don't know if the sample size is large enough, but I'd love to see his pressure rate with and without JC next to him. You know Howie is looking at that.

More importantly -- Ojomo had 31 pressures in 388 snaps per PFF and was a monster in the Super Bowl. Williams has 40 pressures in 500 snaps. So both were getting pressure ~8% of the time, but Ojomo got better as the year went on. Finally, this upcoming draft is super deep at DT.

Let someone else overpay Sweat and Williams. Bring back Baun and Becton.

Looks like the NFL missed that vulgar display by Ojomo behind Hunt. Hopefully he gets fined for it retroactively now that it was brought to our attention. 

17 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

There is no way I sign Williams for that amount. The key question for me is -- how much of his success is due to Carter being on the field? I don't know if the sample size is large enough, but I'd love to see his pressure rate with and without JC next to him. You know Howie is looking at that.

More importantly -- Ojomo had 31 pressures in 388 snaps per PFF and was a monster in the Super Bowl. Williams has 40 pressures in 500 snaps. So both were getting pressure ~8% of the time, but Ojomo got better as the year went on. Finally, this upcoming draft is super deep at DT.

Let someone else overpay Sweat and Williams. Bring back Baun and Becton.

Can't say I'd be mad at Baun and Becton if that's how it ends up. I don't think the argument matters too much if he needs Carter or not. They are a force together. Like a cheat code last time I saw them together. Lol. Just like the depth on the line and the unity and chemistry they have now. I like to keep it going for at least 2 more years, if presented the opportunity. Carter can play less snaps next year hopefully and a little more of Ojomo, Davis and/or Booker would be smart.

3 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Can't say I'd be mad at Baun and Becton if that's how it ends up. I don't think the argument matters too much if he needs Carter or not. They are a force together. Like a cheat code last time I saw them together. Lol. Just like the depth on the line and the unity and chemistry they have now. I like to keep it going for at least 2 more years.l if presented the opportunity. 

The issue is, if most of his success is due to Carter, then paying him $20mm AAV is a waste of resources. The primary goal in a salary cap sport is to achieve maximum value per cap dollar. If Ojomo at just over a $1mm cap hit is giving you the same production as Williams (and he did this year), then paying 20x that amount is foolish and a waste of limited resources.

14 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Berman doesn't think the Eagles will pick up Jordan Davis' option.

Neither does pgcd3

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The issue is, if most of his success is due to Carter, then paying him $20mm AAV is a waste of resources. The primary goal in a salary cap sport is to achieve maximum value per cap dollar. If Ojomo at just over a $1mm cap hit is giving you the same production as Williams (and he did this year), then paying 20x that amount is foolish and a waste of limited resources.

Don't you think you have to pay Ojomo next Summer if he kills it? Are they going to say its because of Carter then too? Somebody has to get paid here. Only goes up if anything. Can't keep not paying your homegrown stars. I think they can fit him in. Totally. It's a myth that they can't. I don't wanna eff with their d-line and formula right now. Very fragile thing. And McNeil got 4/97. Probably not an overpay like people think. Especially in 2/3 years. Probably be a bargain with this salary cap.

4 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

If you can get Ojulari for ~$9mill a year you should do it.

I'd consider Odeyingbo from the Colts too but I've seen ridiculous numbers for his potential contract being posted elsewhere.

He would fit right in, was teammates with all of the rest of the gang who are here. 

2 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Don't you think you have to pay Ojomo next Summer if he kills it? Somebody has to get paid here. Only goes up if anything. Can't keep not paying your homegrown stars. I think they can fit him in. Totally. It's a myth that they can't. I don't wanna eff with their d-line and formula right now. Very fragile thing. 

No, we have 2 cheap years left for Ojomo before we'd have to pay him.  Bottom line is we just can't afford to pay Williams $20m/yr.  Take the 3rd round comp pick, draft another DT in this strong DT draft, and use the money elsewhere.

26 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Berman said on PHLY today that Seumalo could get cut by the Steelers. Is that rumored? Mentioned him as a Becton replacement if he leaves.

Just keep Becton. He’s are cheapest free agent, pivotal to our run game, and can likely be Lane Johnson’s successor.

20 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Berman doesn't think the Eagles will pick up Jordan Davis' option.

He is wrong🤣

5 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Don't you think you have to pay Ojomo next Summer if he kills it? Are they going to say its because of Carter then too? Somebody has to get paid here. Only goes up if anything. Can't keep not paying your homegrown stars. I think they can fit him in. Totally. It's a myth that they can't. I don't wanna eff with their d-line and formula right now. Very fragile thing. 

You have to pay Carter next year. We'll see where Ojomo is at that point, and he will likely be cheaper as a former 7th round pick; he's under contract through 2026. But you also draft another DT, and see if he has similar success next to JC. 

You pay the true gamechangers. You bust out when you pay superstar money to a good but not great player. Paying Milton Williams $20mm when Ojomo is giving you the same production for 5% of the cost is bananas. 

And no...we can't bring back Williams, Baun, Becton and Sweat. 2 almost definitely have to go.

With a stacked DE/EDGE class in 2025, I'm hoping he falls to Eagles pick at 64.

Bradyn Swinson, EDGE, LSU

6'4" 250 lbs

 

 

11 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Can't say I'd be mad at Baun and Becton if that's how it ends up. I don't think the argument matters too much if he needs Carter or not. They are a force together. Like a cheat code last time I saw them together. Lol. Just like the depth on the line and the unity and chemistry they have now. I like to keep it going for at least 2 more years, if presented the opportunity. Carter can play less snaps next year hopefully and a little more of Ojomo, Davis and/or Booker would be smart.

Sweat and Williams are gone baby gone imo.  And so is BG once I saw him with those 2 trophies on the stage.  All opinion, of course.

This draft is so deep at DT and edge as well. Williams will get overpaid on the market like Hargrave did. Sweat...maybe the knee scares teams away and he comes back cheap, but likely not after that Super Bowl. We should go D line with 2 of out top 3 picks.

11 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

You have to pay Carter next year. We'll see where Ojomo is at that point, and he will likely be cheaper as a former 7th round pick; he's under contract through 2026. But you also draft another DT, and see if he has similar success next to JC. 

You pay the true gamechangers. You bust out when you pay superstar money to a good but not great player. Paying Milton Williams $20mm when Ojomo is giving you the same production for 5% of the cost is bananas. 

And no...we can't bring back Williams, Baun, Becton and Sweat. 2 almost definitely have to go.

Ojomo is not giving you the SAME production. Don't remember him getting 2 and a half sacks in the Superbowl with a strip sack fumble. Can't just gloss over that. Thats a winning player right there for me. Showed up BIG when it mattered. Just like I didn't gloss over Hurts's performance in the Superbowl 2 years ago on my evaluation of him. That holds huuuge value for me. And he's 25. Not 30 like Hargrave and peaked out. Low tread on the tires here as well. I keep saying you can pay Carter and him.  Just like you paid Fletcher, Hargrave, Sweat and Graham all at once. Really don't get that argument. Not expecting more than 2 free agent signings. Baun and Williams are my 2. That's all!

1 minute ago, jamiller said:

Sweat and Williams are gone baby gone imo.  And so is BG once I saw him with those 2 trophies on the stage.  All opinion, of course.

The longer BG goes without an announcement, the more I think he may come back.

One more year for BG gives us depth at DE that won't break the bank.