2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I would not be surprised to see back to back 2000 yard seasons from Saquon.  Especially if Becton stays, the O-Line is likely to be even better next season than it was this season … especially in the first four games.  Teams won’t be able to sell out against the run.  The Super Bowl showed them what that resulted in.

You wouldn't be surprised to see something that has never happened in history?

Just now, Iggles25 said:

My hope is 3/37.5 gets it done for Baun.

Maybe 3/39 at most.

Get Becton for 3/45 with a 'We took a chance on you when no one else would' discount.

Draft DL first two rounds.

Win another Super Bowl.

I believe you may be 7.5 high on Baun and 15 high on Becton.  Howie may build incentives into their respective contracts that give them the kind of money you list, but only if the incentive thresholds are attained.

16 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Baun had never had a year remotely close to what he had in 2024 either. 

That's no longer relevant now that he did do it though. Now we have a sample size of one guy being great and no sample of another being great. Right now, that's all that matters.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

You wouldn't be surprised to see something that has never happened in history?

No I wouldn’t 

I don’t know how so many of you want a guard over a finalist for DPOY. 

Just now, Sack that QB said:

That's no longer relevant now that he did do it though. Now we have a sample size of one guy being great and no sample of another being great. Right now, that's all that matters.

Our legal system would say that 2024 Baun sets a precedent.

10 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

They need a new body.  They've literally lost Kellen Moore and Doug Nussemeier and just added Parks Frazier so far.  As optimistic as some like to act that seems like a net loss to any unbiased observer.

We didn't need any nets anyway.

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

I don’t know how so many of you want a guard over a finalist for DPOY. 

I want them both.

May the winds tug favorably on Howie's wizard sleeve.

5 minutes ago, mattwill said:

No I wouldn’t 

That's silly 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

That's silly 

So you believe Saquon’s achievements in 2024 were lightning in a bottle?

3 hours ago, mattwill said:

How much do you think a cut 31 year old Seumalo would receive as an offer from teams after the Steelers do cut him?  Any more than Gates or Toth received in 2024?

I'm thinking a team out there would pay him to start, guessing around 6-8 mil per year?

2 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Good point with CJG. Baun and Williams were huge parts of that defense last year. Howie has extended the window by adding some young guys last year, but they have the best roster in the NFL and a good chance to win again next year. Spend the money and worry about the cap ramifications down the line. 

The thing is if you really study the layout and who is a must keep we should be fine in keeping the main ones because Howie is clever at structuring contracts and staggering them. And restructuring when the time comes, and working it into future cap space, that keeps growing. We are going to be fine in keeping guys like Jurgens, Carter, Smith, DeJean and Mitchell. We may have to lose other guys. Let it play out. Let's worry about winning Superbowls NOW!! And not deliver preemptive strikes to our core that can screw this all up. Howie will restructure/extend contracts and make it all work as we go on here. He's a master at all of that stuff. 

 

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

So you believe Saquon’s achievements in 2024 were lightning in a bottle?

No. I think rushing for 2,000 yards is something that's really hard to do. And there's a reason it never has happened consecutively. 

For starters, he barely reached it this year after an incredible season. He made it by 5 yards. Granted he could have played Week 18 and possibly more in other games like Giants, however, he finished the season with 345 attempts. Are we really expecting that many attempts again? Is the offense going to continue to be "run Saqoun into the ground" or more balanced between passing and rushing?

Add in how many explosive plays he's had in 2024. Is he getting all that again and more? Or is he going to slightly regress to the mean?

Is he going to be healthy all year? His career up to 2024 hasn't been squeaky clean.

Is he going to be affected coming off a 400+ touch season?

There are just so many factors that would have to break the right way. There's a reason he's only the 9th player ever to rush for more than 2,000 yards and if he were the first ever in history to do it back to back would be an enormous accomplishment that probably would never happen again in most of our lifetimes.

He could follow up last year with a 1,400 - 1,500 yard season which would still be damn good and probably all pro worthy. 

6 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

The thing is if you really study the layout and who is a must keep we should be fine in keeping the main ones because Howie is clever at structuring contracts and staggering them. And restructuring when the time comes, and working it into future cap space, that keeps growing. We are going to be fine in keeping guys like Jurgens, Carter, Smith, DeJean and Mitchell. We may have to lose other guys. Let it play out. Let's worry about winning Superbowls NOW!! And not deliver preemptive strikes to our core that can screw this all up. Howie will restructure contracts and make it all work as we go on here. He's a master at all of that stuff. 

 

Dude, the way we structure deals is already with minimum salaries and all option bonuses that are amortized. There's nothing to restructure with any large deals to save cap space. The only thing Howie can do is try to get guys like Slay and Goedert to take less instead of being cut. Or cut guys like JB with a post June 1. You can't just magically say "restructure" and get cap space.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Okay, I’ll bite.  When you say, "Davis is a spare part here. A good one, but potentially an expensive one” (1) how expensive do you expect him to be in his second contract? aAnd (2) what is your sense of what a second contract matched to his value to the Eagles is?

I think we are assuming here, Davis wants only a reasonable type of 2nd contract. He may want huge dollars and force his way out of here. Yes. Been a good soldier and teammate till now. I would take him for $8M per in the long term based on his production and value. But if Williams is retained, then Davis is collateral damage here IMO and he may just seek a trade in someone who could pay him a fatter contract. He is probably capped here in what he can make and may see the writing on the wall. Dunno.

10 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Dude, the way we structure deals is already with minimum salaries and all option bonuses that are amortized. There's nothing to restructure with any large deals to save cap space. The only thing Howie can do is try to get guys like Slay and Goedert to take less instead of being cut. Or cut guys like JB with a post June 1. You can't just magically say "restructure" and get cap space.

I am not going claim to be a capologist here. But what do you call the recent restructures/extensions of Mailata, Lane Johnson, Elliot, Slay etc? 

30 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I don’t know how so many of you want a guard over a finalist for DPOY. 

Baun and Becton should be the priorities. 

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No. I think rushing for 2,000 yards is something that's really hard to do. And there's a reason it never has happened consecutively. 

For starters, he barely reached it this year after an incredible season. He made it by 5 yards. Granted he could have played Week 18 and possibly more in other games like Giants, however, he finished the season with 345 attempts. Are we really expecting that many attempts again? Is the offense going to continue to be "run Saqoun into the ground" or more balanced between passing and rushing?

Add in how many explosive plays he's had in 2024. Is het getting all that again and more? Or is he going to slightly regress to the mean?

Is he going to be healthy all year? His career up to 2024 hasn't been squeaky clean.

Is he going to be affected coming off a 400+ touch season?

There are just so many factors that would have to break the right way. There's a reason he's only the 9th player ever to rush for more than 2,000 yards and if he were the first ever in history to do it back to back would be an enormous accomplishment that probably would never happen again in most of our lifetimes.

He could follow up last year with a 1,400 - 1,500 yard season which would still be damn good and probably all pro worthy. 

I don't think he'll get to 2,000 again.  I can see around 1,500 being very possible. 

Let's not forget him getting to 2K this year alot was due to all the monster runs he had.  Is he going to rip off the same amount of 40, 50, 60 yard runs he had this year?  Probably not.  I still feel like they will be a bit more on the passing side this year and give him less carries.  

I love Becton and he shouldn't be a ton of money, so we should find a spot for him. Putting that aside, this defense was why we won. The offense was inconsistent all year and peaked just at the right time. Defense was there all year and won a few games in the last possessions and then dominated the Superbowl. We pour way more money into the offense than the defense. That needs to be more balanced and it's time to pay up on the defense if I'm Howie. He should have secured this midyear, but I understand his reasoning.

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No. I think rushing for 2,000 yards is something that's really hard to do. And there's a reason it never has happened consecutively. 

For starters, he barely reached it this year after an incredible season. He made it by 5 yards. Granted he could have played Week 18 and possibly more in other games like Giants, however, he finished the season with 345 attempts. Are we really expecting that many attempts again? Is the offense going to continue to be "run Saqoun into the ground" or more balanced between passing and rushing?

Add in how many explosive plays he's had in 2024. Is het getting all that again and more? Or is he going to slightly regress to the mean?

Is he going to be healthy all year? His career up to 2024 hasn't been squeaky clean.

Is he going to be affected coming off a 400+ touch season?

There are just so many factors that would have to break the right way. There's a reason he's only the 9th player ever to rush for more than 2,000 yards and if he were the first ever in history to do it back to back would be an enormous accomplishment that probably would never happen again in most of our lifetimes.

He could follow up last year with a 1,400 - 1,500 yard season which would still be damn good and probably all pro worthy. 

Thinking there is a good chance at consecutive 2k seasons is pretty out there.

Barkley hasnt missed a lot of games, but has been pretty injury prone in his career and has often been slowed by injuries. This year, he was so healthy all year. A miracle.

Based on his injury history, next year he is already likely to be dealing with something at some point.

Thats without even considering the amount of carries and touches he had this season, which makes it even more likely.

 

Other variables-

Id like to see Hurts continue where he left off and be able to throw the ball some throughout the whole season rather than just the last 2 games. That will take yardage away from Barkley. 

Id like the eagles to have a second RB who can be a bell cow type of back. They were so reliant on the run game this year to win games. You cant risk being left with a RB like Gainwell to carry the load for a few games. IF they upgrade the RB2 spot, that guy is going to have to get some carries. 

Even if they dont upgrade RB2, theyd really be smart to split carries some more regardless. Just to try to ease the load for Barkley. 

 

Aside from Hurts picking up where he left off, if the entire team picks up where they left off, there should be many more blowouts. Our offense didnt function at a high enough level last year to do it as much as this roster was capable of. There may be more quarters of rest for starters next year.

 

I think 1500 is going to be pretty easy for him, but its hard to predict higher than that. 

 

1 minute ago, jojodancer said:

I am not going claim to be a capologist here. But what do you call the recent restructures/extensions of Mailata, Lane Johnson, Elliot, Slay etc? 

Those were all extensions with new money, not restructures. Restructures to create cap space don't add additional dollars to the contract or add years (other than void years). The typical example is taking a large base salary and converting into a singing/option bonus that can then be amortized over 5 years (assuming the contract has that length including void years). But that requires the team to pay it all out at once, before the season, in a lump sum as opposed to over 18 weeks. Lurie is willing to do this. But to pick on the dumbest/cheapest owner in the NFL, here is Dak's current contract.

https://overthecap.com/player/dak-prescott/4848

As you can see, for 2025 he has a guaranteed base salary of $47.75mm. As a salary, this all hits the cap in 2025. However, they can convert almost all of that to a bonus and then spread the charge out over 5 years. As an example, if they converted $45mm to a bonus, then only $9mm hits the 2025 cap (45/5), and $36mm is saved and pushed into future years (9mm per year for the next 4 years). It's basically getting an interest free loan from future years when the cap is higher.

Howie basically "pre-restructures" all our deals. Take a look at Jalen:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47648/jalen-hurts

As you can see, every year he has a minimum salary and the rest in option bonuses -- he will make $42.5mm in cash in 2025, but $41.33mm is in an option bonus that gets spread out, so his 2025 cap number is only ~$22mm ($1.2mm base, amortization of signing bonus and 2024 and 2025 option bonuses). So there's nothing to restructure in his deal. This leaves roughly $98mm in dead money in 2029 after his contract voids unless we extend him.

As for extensions, Cam is really the only guy who makes sense, but the savings would be minimal. We aren't extending Slay or Goedert. Jalen, AJ, Smitty, Mailata and Dickerson all just signed and are in the "cheap" part of their contracts. We have more deferred money than any other team by a mile. 

There is no juice to squeeze.

4 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

I love Becton and he shouldn't be a ton of money, so we should find a spot for him. Putting that aside, this defense was why we won. The offense was inconsistent all year and peaked just at the right time. Defense was there all year and won a few games in the last possessions and then dominated the Superbowl. We pour way more money into the offense than the defense. That needs to be more balanced and it's time to pay up on the defense if I'm Howie. He should have secured this midyear, but I understand his reasoning.

Howie is very good but paying high dollars to a QB, RB, 2 WRs. a TE and 5 OL would leave you short to spend on defense.  There's just no way to pay that many guys

For 1500 yards, Barkley would only need to average about 88 rushing yards per game.

If he misses 2 games next season, he will need to average 100 per game.  I think 100 yard average, and a couple missed games is a pretty reasonable expectation coming off the season he just had.

 

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Those were all extensions with new money, not restructures. Restructures to create cap space don't add additional dollars to the contract or add years (other than void years). The typical example is taking a large base salary and converting into a singing/option bonus that can then be amortized over 5 years (assuming the contract has that length including void years). But that requires the team to pay it all out at once, before the season, in a lump sum as opposed to over 18 weeks. Lurie is willing to do this. But to pick on the dumbest/cheapest owner in the NFL, here is Dak's current contract.

https://overthecap.com/player/dak-prescott/4848

As you can see, for 2025 he has a guaranteed base salary of $47.75mm. As a salary, this all hits the cap in 2025. However, they can convert almost all of that to a bonus and then spread the charge out over 5 years. As an example, if they converted $45mm to a bonus, then only $9mm hits the 2025 cap (45/5), and $36mm is saved and pushed into future years (9mm per year for the next 4 years). It's basically getting an interest free loan from future years when the cap is higher.

Howie basically "pre-restructures" all our deals. Take a look at Jalen:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47648/jalen-hurts

As you can see, every year he has a minimum salary and the rest in option bonuses -- he will make $42.5mm in cash in 2025, but $41.33mm is in an option bonus that gets spread out, so his 2025 cap number is only ~$22mm ($1.2mm base, amortization of signing bonus and 2024 and 2025 option bonuses). So there's nothing to restructure in his deal. This leaves roughly $98mm in dead money in 2029 after his contract voids unless we extend him.

As for extensions, Cam is really the only guy who makes sense, but the savings would be minimal. We aren't extending Slay or Goedert. Jalen, AJ, Smitty, Mailata and Dickerson all just signed and are in the "cheap" part of their contracts. We have more deferred money than any other team by a mile. 

There is no juice to squeeze.

Gotcha. I was speaking in general terms, not for just this offseason. I wanna be clear, I am not looking to sign everyone and their mom. I have Williams and Baun as my 2 must keeps. That's it. Howie can do that if he wants to, correct?

2 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

I love Becton and he shouldn't be a ton of money so we should find a spot for him. Putting that aside, this defense was why we won. The offense was inconsistent all year and peaked just at the right time. Defense was there all year and won a few games in the last possessions and then dominated the Superbowl. We pour way more money into the offense than the defense. That needs to be more balanced and it's time to pay up on the defense if I'm Howie. He should have secured this midyear, but I understand his reasoning.

I am going to call recency bias on this. They got to the SB because the line and run game dominated throughout the season and did so at a higher level than the very high level of the D. The D lost some games as well and in the SB they ran up against Andy who played into the hands of the D's strengths. Not saying that the D isn't awesome, Happy that it is,  but I would say that roles on the D and O are not equally important. IMO, Williams is replaceable and Becton sustains a commitment to gigantic athletes on the Oline that is much harder to find.  If Williams is signed and Becton not, I'm wrong. If Becton is signed and Williams walks, I wouldn't presume to be smarter than Howie and the coaching staff.