3 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im wearing my super bowl champions shirt today for the first time. And its another example of Fanatics just slapping a Nike logo on a fanatics crap product.

The shirt fits very awkwardly. And what Ive found to be the problem is the right sleeve is much shorter than the left. It seems to be maybe sown on bit twisted or crooked or something. And it creates a tightness extending from the armpit down across the right chest with a noticeable line of stretch. It also seems to fit tighter up top across the shoulders, and has extra room around the belly.

Just an odd looking shirt on the body. I probably will only ever wear it under a jersey or hoodie.

Guy walks into the tailor and says I don't have a lot of money but I need a suit.  Tailor says I can give you this one for $100.  Try it on.  So the guy puts on the pants and one leg is longer than the other.  Tailor says just walk like this with one leg higher and kinda hitching up the pants.  Tailor says see that works, right?

Guy puts on the coat and one of the arms is longer than the other and they go through the same drill. So the guy pays for the suit, puts it on and cantilevers out the door and is making his way awkwardly down the street hitching up one leg and doing the same with one of the arms of the jacket.   

A couple of ladies are across the street and see him perambulating down the street and one says to the other, aw, that poor guy what do you think happened to him?  And the other lady says I don't know but that suit sure fits him perfectly!

1 minute ago, jojodancer said:

Gotcha. I was speaking in general terms, not for just this offseason. I wanna be clear, I am not looking to sign everyone and their mom. I have Williams and Baun as my 2 must keeps. That's it. Howie can do that if he wants to, correct?

Depending on how he structures the deals, sure. We also don't know if we will get a cap credit from Bradberry's contract (if we had insurance). He could sign those 2, but then Becton is likely a bridge too far. 

2 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

I am going to call recency bias on this. They got to the SB because the line and run game dominated throughout the season and did so at a higher level than the very high level of the D. The D lost some games as well and in the SB they ran up against Andy who played into the hands of the D's strengths. Not saying that the D isn't awesome, Happy that it is,  but I would say that roles on the D and O are not equally important. IMO, Williams is replaceable and Becton sustains a commitment to gigantic athletes on the Oline that is much harder to find.  If Williams is signed and Becton not, I'm wrong. If Becton is signed and Williams walks, I wouldn't presume to be smarter than Howie and the coaching staff.

Basically every player on offense is locked up for the foreseeable future once Cam is extended. Only Goedert would be a FA after 2025. Barkley and Lane after 2026.  Mailata, Dickerson, Hurts and Smitty are signed through 2028, and AJ through 2029. Clearly we are spending the money on offense and trying to go younger on defense.

10 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

I am going to call recency bias on this. They got to the SB because the line and run game dominated throughout the season and did so at a higher level than the very high level of the D. The D lost some games as well and in the SB they ran up against Andy who played into the hands of the D's strengths. Not saying that the D isn't awesome, Happy that it is,  but I would say that roles on the D and O are not equally important. IMO, Williams is replaceable and Becton sustains a commitment to gigantic athletes on the Oline that is much harder to find.  If Williams is signed and Becton not, I'm wrong. If Becton is signed and Williams walks, I wouldn't presume to be smarter than Howie and the coaching staff.

If you just looking at stats:

2023 Eagles points per game=25.5

2024 Eagles points per game=27.2 

2023 Eagles points allowed per game =25.2

2024 Eagles points allowed per game=17.2 

The defense put us over the top this year. Most likely could have won with last year's offense as well.

16 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Basically every player on offense is locked up for the foreseeable future once Cam is extended. Only Goedert would be a FA after 2025. Barkley and Lane after 2026.  Mailata, Dickerson, Hurts and Smitty are signed through 2028, and AJ through 2029. Clearly we are spending the money on offense and trying to go younger on defense.

I dont want Becton to leave, at all. But one reason why, could be we need one lineman who's on a cheap contract to preserve funds and use on the defense. They have been going young on the defense. I don't know how much younger we can go without slipping and losing this thing. If Slay, Sweat and Graham leave, there's barely a budget there. Ha. And he drafted Steen in 3rd round and would have him sitting as a backup for 2 more years. That may just be a luxury at this point.  

 

 

Thoughts on Dayo Odeyingbo?  Just noticed he's a UFA as well

59 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No. I think rushing for 2,000 yards is something that's really hard to do. And there's a reason it never has happened consecutively. 

For starters, he barely reached it this year after an incredible season. He made it by 5 yards. Granted he could have played Week 18 and possibly more in other games like Giants, however, he finished the season with 345 attempts. Are we really expecting that many attempts again? Is the offense going to continue to be "run Saqoun into the ground" or more balanced between passing and rushing?

Add in how many explosive plays he's had in 2024. Is het getting all that again and more? Or is he going to slightly regress to the mean?

Is he going to be healthy all year? His career up to 2024 hasn't been squeaky clean.

Is he going to be affected coming off a 400+ touch season?

There are just so many factors that would have to break the right way. There's a reason he's only the 9th player ever to rush for more than 2,000 yards and if he were the first ever in history to do it back to back would be an enormous accomplishment that probably would never happen again in most of our lifetimes.

He could follow up last year with a 1,400 - 1,500 yard season which would still be damn good and probably all pro worthy. 

I'm hoping they throw a ton to him this year.  That should cut down on some wear and tear with even less contact at the LOS.  

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

Dude, the way we structure deals is already with minimum salaries and all option bonuses that are amortized. There's nothing to restructure with any large deals to save cap space. The only thing Howie can do is try to get guys like Slay and Goedert to take less instead of being cut. Or cut guys like JB with a post June 1. You can't just magically say "restructure" and get cap space.

Restructium contractus!

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Baun is unquestionably the priority to bring back. 

Wild card game- interception 

divisional game - fumble recovery 

NFCCG - forced a fumble, recovered another 

Super Bowl- interception 

If a CB or Edge rusher did this, they’d be handed a blank check. 

How likely is he to repeat this production?

He's a good player, obviously, but I would say he most likely will not force as many turnovers next season.

GOT IT

1 hour ago, greendestiny27 said:

I'm thinking a team out there would pay him to start, guessing around 6-8 mil per year?

I’ll be surprised if he gets that much.  I suspect his starting days are over.

Toth costs us $1.2M. Fred Johnson cost us $1.2M last season.  Seumalo possibly would cost $2.0M … if he becomes available.

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I don’t know how so many of you want a guard over a finalist for DPOY. 

Team value and the chances of reproducing their production.

I don’t think Baun can do what he did again, insofar as force as many turnovers. And that’s really his value.

Becton can do what he did this season again and again with a high degree of confidence. And he has upside in the sense that the OL may be more cohesive as a unit with a season under their belt. He also has more upside left with more coaching from Stoutland, and the possibility of taking over for Lane Johnson.

To be clear I want both, but if I can only keep one, it’s Becton.

Also, one thing to consider: we saw what happened to the Chiefs OL with injuries. An entire offense can be dismantled with a weak link in the OL caused by injuries.

I do not want to cannibalize our offensive line depth. Remember, Cam is having back surgery. He’s expected to return without complications, but that area of the body can be tricky. I’d rather head into training camp with a couple of talented players on the bench and our OL from last season returning intact.

54 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

If you just looking at stats:

2023 Eagles points per game=25.5

2024 Eagles points per game=27.2 

2023 Eagles points allowed per game =25.2

2024 Eagles points allowed per game=17.2 

The defense put us over the top this year. Most likely could have won with last year's offense as well.

When your offense is based on long run-based scoring drives, the other team doesn't have as many chances to score. No disagreement that the D is the best in the NFL and a big part of the teams dominance. The point, maybe not well made, is that good players are not apples to apples across every position. IMO, the D can absorb Williams departure. The O will lose depth and dominance to a greater degree if Becton leaves.

1 hour ago, jamiller said:

Guy walks into the tailor and says I don't have a lot of money but I need a suit.  Tailor says I can give you this one for $100.  Try it on.  So the guy puts on the pants and one leg is longer than the other.  Tailor says just walk like this with one leg higher and kinda hitching up the pants.  Tailor says see that works, right?

Guy puts on the coat and one of the arms is longer than the other and they go through the same drill. So the guy pays for the suit, puts it on and cantilevers out the door and is making his way awkwardly down the street hitching up one leg and doing the same with one of the arms of the jacket.   

A couple of ladies are across the street and see him perambulating down the street and one says to the other, aw, that poor guy what do you think happened to him?  And the other lady says I don't know but that suit sure fits him perfectly!

That’s a Buddy Sorrell (Morey Amsterdam) joke from The Dick Van Dyke Show. I’m sure it’s much older than that even.

27 minutes ago, TEW said:

Team value and the chances of reproducing their production.

I don’t think Baun can do what he did again, insofar as force as many turnovers. And that’s really his value.

Becton can do what he did this season again and again with a high degree of confidence. And he has upside in the sense that the OL may be more cohesive as a unit with a season under their belt. He also has more upside left with more coaching from Stoutland, and the possibility of taking over for Lane Johnson.

To be clear I want both, but if I can only keep one, it’s Becton.

Also, one thing to consider: we saw what happened to the Chiefs OL with injuries. An entire offense can be dismantled with a weak link in the OL caused by injuries.

I do not want to cannibalize our offensive line depth. Remember, Cam is having back surgery. He’s expected to return without complications, but that area of the body can be tricky. I’d rather head into training camp with a couple of talented players on the bench and our OL from last season returning intact.

The other side of this.

If we become a more balanced offense as we should, I see Barkley's usage and carries decreasing for that reason and just getting older. Steen is going to be the better pass blocker in that scenario. Also, don't think an investment in a 3rd rounder for a backup guard for depth makes sense. Can sign a vet for that gig and with Stout it all seems to be a non issue with those types he finds.

As far as linebacker, we basically have no one we can count on next year. Total state of limbo and don't want to start over when we finally got it right. Baun is a heart and soul type of guy that rallies that defense and brings that unity and culture we need. Love both players, but Baun is my guy. We finally learned what great linebacking looks like last year. Don't wanna go back!

Our defense takes a huge step down without him next year. Wasn't a more consistent player than him. Fangio knows how to use his skills to the T. The reason we survived the Dean injury last year was Baun and his versatility. You could put a jag near him and we're good.

The offense may take a tiny step down without Becton. I think Baun is not a fluke and will keep producing, especially with Carter and studs up front. Has low tread on the tires and should be great for 3 more years.

 

20 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

GOT IT

Good luck

10 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

The other side of this.

If we become a more balanced offense as we should, I see Barkley's usage and carries decreasing for that reason and just getting older. Steen is going to be the better pass blocker in that scenario. Also, don't think an investment in a 3rd rounder for a backup guard for depth makes sense. Can sign a vet for that gig and with Stout it all seems to be a non issue with those types he finds.

As far as linebacker, we basically have no one we can count on next year. Total state of limbo and don't want to start over when we finally got it right. Baun is a heart and soul type of guy that rallies that defense and brings that unity and culture we need. Love both players, but Baun is my guy. We finally learned what great linebacking looks like last year. Don't wanna go back!

Our defense takes a huge step down without him next year. Wasn't a more consistent player than him. Fangio knows how to use his skills to the T.

The offense may take a tiny step down without Becton. I think Baun is not a fluke and will keep producing especially with Carter and studs up front. Has low tread on the tires and should be great for 3 more years.

 

I absolutely hate this mindset. Yes, Stoutland is a fantastic coach, but the flip side is that the eagles spend an extraordinary amount of resources on the OL. And let’s be real here — a lot of them don’t work out. We bring in 10+ guys and the 6 or 7 best get to see the field.

4 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im wearing my super bowl champions shirt today for the first time. And its another example of Fanatics just slapping a Nike logo on a fanatics crap product.

The shirt fits very awkwardly. And what Ive found to be the problem is the right sleeve is much shorter than the left. It seems to be maybe sown on bit twisted or crooked or something. And it creates a tightness extending from the armpit down across the right chest with a noticeable line of stretch. It also seems to fit tighter up top across the shoulders, and has extra room around the belly.

Just an odd looking shirt on the body. I probably will only ever wear it under a jersey or hoodie.

The hoodie is crap quality too. They're skimping. And charging out the ass. If I wasn't a memorabilia nut, it would be "never again" for me with this company.

11 minutes ago, TEW said:

I absolutely hate this mindset. Yes, Stoutland is a fantastic coach, but the flip side is that the eagles spend an extraordinary amount of resources on the OL. And let’s be real here — a lot of them don’t work out. We bring in 10+ guys and the 6 or 7 best get to see the field.

Yes. They do spend a ton on the O-line. And basically not much on the D-line as we project here. Can't pay every single one of them in the 10s of millions. But just like they found Becton or plugged in Seuamalo, I have more faith that this position on the field will be solid than I have faith in finding an all around stud linebacker like Baun. It's taken us decades to find this and now we want to just let him walk? That's nonsense. Like Becton, but love Baun based on our current needs. One can also talk about Becton's knee and the risk there. First healthy year he's had in awhile. Played 15 out of 17. Will see if he can repeat that.

CB talk…
 

 

 

What a beast.  Although, also concerning how much he gets injured.  

 

 

1 hour ago, garingovt2000 said:

Thoughts on Dayo Odeyingbo?  Just noticed he's a UFA as well

8 sacks in 2023.

May be worth kicking the tires.