55 minutes ago, TEW said:

Team value and the chances of reproducing their production.

I don’t think Baun can do what he did again, insofar as force as many turnovers. And that’s really his value.

Becton can do what he did this season again and again with a high degree of confidence. And he has upside in the sense that the OL may be more cohesive as a unit with a season under their belt. He also has more upside left with more coaching from Stoutland, and the possibility of taking over for Lane Johnson.

To be clear I want both, but if I can only keep one, it’s Becton.

Also, one thing to consider: we saw what happened to the Chiefs OL with injuries. An entire offense can be dismantled with a weak link in the OL caused by injuries.

I do not want to cannibalize our offensive line depth. Remember, Cam is having back surgery. He’s expected to return without complications, but that area of the body can be tricky. I’d rather head into training camp with a couple of talented players on the bench and our OL from last season returning intact.

I want them both back too, but come on.
 

Baun just had the best season an Eagles LB has had since, I don’t even know when. I can’t remember even Trotter being that dominant. I figured Baun would maybe not be as much of a standout when he had to wear the green dot but if anything, he got even better. 

If Becton doesn’t return, I have little doubt they’ll find someone in FA or even in the draft that will come in and do the job… we just saw that this year with Becton himself.

To be clear though, I want Becton back. I just don’t understand how you and others would take him back over Baun who was a 1st team all-pro on a defense that just completely annihilated Andy Reid and Mahomes in the Super Bowl. 

43 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

The other side of this.

If we become a more balanced offense as we should, I see Barkely's usage and carries decreasing for that reason and just age. Steen is going to be better pass blocker in that scenario. 

As far as linebacker, we basically have no one we can count on next year. Total state of limbo and don't want to start over when we finally got it right. Baun is a heart and soul type of guy that rallies that defense. Love both players, but Baun is my guy. We finally learned what great linebacking looks ladt year. Don't wanna go back!

Our defense takes a huge step down without him next year. Wasn"t more a consistent player than him. Fangio knows how to use his skill to the T. The offense may take a tiny step down without Becton. I think Baun is not a fluke and will keep producing especially with Cartwr and studs up front. Has  low tread on the tires and should be great for 3 more years.

 

 

43 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

The other side of this.

If we become a more balanced offense as we should, I see Barkely's usage and carries decreasing for that reason and just age. Steen is going to be better pass blocker in that scenario. 

As far as linebacker, we basically have no one we can count on next year. Total state of limbo and don't want to start over when we finally got it right. Baun is a heart and soul type of guy that rallies that defense. Love both players, but Baun is my guy. We finally learned what great linebacking looks ladt year. Don't wanna go back!

Our defense takes a huge step down without him next year. Wasn"t more a consistent player than him. Fangio knows how to use his skill to the T. The offense may take a tiny step down without Becton. I think Baun is not a fluke and will keep producing especially with Cartwr and studs up front. Has  low tread on the tires and should be great for 3 more years.

 

I don’t know where this notion that Steen is a better pass blocker than Becton comes from. It’s nonsense. It’s not in any scenario I’m aware of. There’s a reason Becton was drafted 11th overall and Steen 65th. Talent. Size. Speed. Yes, Steen appears to be a nice player, average+. But Becton is a monster. If you want to downgrade Becton for the knee injuries you may have a good and valid argument. But on talent? No. Just no.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/eagles-nolan-smith-suffered-torn-triceps-in-super-bowl

Damn, I knew something was wrong when he tried to chase down Mahomes and grabbed at his arm

4 hours ago, vikas83 said:

I think that will be tempered by the one year wonder fear, as well as people wondering if he only exceled in this defense. 

If Dre Greenlaw is healthy, that screams 1 year/$6mm prove it deal.

Id give baun 3/39 with the first two gtd

2 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/eagles-nolan-smith-suffered-torn-triceps-in-super-bowl

Damn, I knew something was wrong when he tried to chase down Mahomes and grabbed at his arm

Yeah, I remember him holding his arm and then not being on the field for a while. The fact that he came back and still played his ass off shows just how much of dawg he is.

Get well soon Nolan!

1 hour ago, TEW said:

How likely is he to repeat this production?

He's a good player, obviously, but I would say he most likely will not force as many turnovers next season.

How likely is an injury prone bust like Becton to repeat or improve? Its a nonsense argument

the fit is perfect and he is smart enough to qb fangios scheme. Just pay the man

1 hour ago, garingovt2000 said:

Thoughts on Dayo Odeyingbo?  Just noticed he's a UFA as well

I'd take him 

13 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Id give baun 3/39 with the first two gtd

He'd walk if that's what we're offering 

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

I’ll be surprised if he gets that much.  I suspect his starting days are over.

Toth costs us $1.2M. Fred Johnson cost us $1.2M last season.  Seumalo possibly would cost $2.0M … if he becomes available.

If he costs that little and wants to be a back up I'd be hard pressed to decline 

Baum >>>>> Becton and it is not even close...we need the D to hold out when the offense will struggle and it will  struggle with or without Becton...it will be defense that will ultimately decide wether next season Can be success

17 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/eagles-nolan-smith-suffered-torn-triceps-in-super-bowl

Damn, I knew something was wrong when he tried to chase down Mahomes and grabbed at his arm

Yup, I picked up on it right away. What a warrior, Cam too. We're lucky to have these young men. Hopefully he's 100% good and ready for training camp 

5 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Yup, I picked up on it right away. What a warrior, Cam too. We're lucky to have these young men. Hopefully he's 100% good and ready for training camp 

Don’t forget Landon too. His knee was also an issue and he played through it 

I wonder how much we’d get for dealing Dotson? He’s clearly good enough to be a starter on several teams and as the number 3 WR here he averaged less than 2 targets a game. Even in games that Brown, Smith, and Goedert missed, he received no extra targets. 

If he would get dealt, I’m guessing it wouldn’t be until training camp. 

46 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I want them both back too, but come on.
 

Baun just had the best season an Eagles LB has had since, I don’t even know when. I can’t remember even Trotter being that dominant. I figured Baun would maybe not be as much of a standout when he had to wear the green dot but if anything, he got even better. 

If Becton doesn’t return, I have little doubt they’ll find someone in FA or even in the draft that will come in and do the job… we just saw that this year with Becton himself.

To be clear though, I want Becton back. I just don’t understand how you and others would take him back over Baun who was a 1st team all-pro on a defense that just completely annihilated Andy Reid and Mahomes in the Super Bowl. 

Eagles should remember history letting a PB LB go from Trott. They may not have beaten TB, but they would have been better with him. Keep the guy.

25 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

He'd walk if that's what we're offering 

Nah.  He’s a hybrid linebacker.   He’s not quite an edge and not quite inside either.    There’s only so many defensive systems he would thrive in and this one is likely the best one for him. 

41 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/eagles-nolan-smith-suffered-torn-triceps-in-super-bowl

Damn, I knew something was wrong when he tried to chase down Mahomes and grabbed at his arm

That's insane he stayed in. Love the young core this team has.

41 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Id give baun 3/39 with the first two gtd

If he turned that down screw him.

I wonder how much is the line, system, and secondary as well because most LB looked good this year. I wonder if any other FA are out there as one year trials?

Just ran across beckon’s new tattoo 

8 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Nah.  He’s a hybrid linebacker.   He’s not quite an edge and not quite inside either.    There’s only so many defensive systems he would thrive in and this one is likely the best one for him. 

I'm thinking 15 or over. I'll guess between 15-17

29 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

I'm thinking 15 or over. I'll guess between 15-17

Doubtful.  

You’re talking Edge money and Baun (as much as I like him and as well as he’s done here) hasn’t done well at Edge.  It’s the entire reason we ended up signing him this past season. 
 

The market for Baun is a niche market.  
 

This system is literally the perfect system for him. 

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

How likely is an injury prone bust like Becton to repeat or improve? Its a nonsense argument

the fit is perfect and he is smart enough to qb fangios scheme. Just pay the man

Really a bad take.

55 minutes ago, Vlad67 said:

Baum >>>>> Becton and it is not even close...we need the D to hold out when the offense will struggle and it will  struggle with or without Becton...it will be defense that will ultimately decide wether next season Can be success

Not sure there’s any logic here. But OK. Whatever you say.

Baun is a tough call because I think his market is somewhere in the $11-12M AAV and Howie’s ceiling for ILB is about $9M.  It will depend on Baun and how much he’s willing to leave on the table from someone else to come back, IMO.

The only way Milton Williams comes back is if the Eagles see him as a longer term asset than Jordan Davis.  If the Eagles are still committed to a second contract with Davis then Milton is the odd man out.  As much as the Eagles value DT, I don’t think they’ll tie up $65-70M AAV at the position.  They will draft and recycle.

As far as Becton goes, I think Howie will make him an offer and tell him to bring back a higher offer if it’s out there so that the Eagles have ability to match or say goodbye.  He knows how much $$ he’s willing to commit and what the walk away number is.

Sweat will likely get an offer in free agency that Howie won’t even give serious consideration to matching.  Huff busting doesn’t make life easy, but Jalyx Hunt has developed faster than I expected, so it’s likely Howie sees the compensatory pick as the better asset.

1 hour ago, just relax said:

 

I don’t know where this notion that Steen is a better pass blocker than Becton comes from. It’s nonsense. It’s not in any scenario I’m aware of. There’s a reason Becton was drafted 11th overall and Steen 65th. Talent. Size. Speed. Yes, Steen appears to be a nice player, average+. But Becton is a monster. If you want to downgrade Becton for the knee injuries you may have a good and valid argument. But on talent? No. Just no.

I know who the better lineman is. It's a matter of Baun or Becton here? Because of cap space. Baun loss is more damaging to overall defense than a Becton loss to the overall offense.

2 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

I know who the better lineman is. It's a matter of Baun or Becton here? Because of cap space. Baun loss is more damaging to overall defense than a Becton loss to the overall offense.

I’m just looking to get the hyperbole out of the discussion.