9 hours ago, mattwill said:

Okay, my bad, which changes the calculus to 23 million, 7.7 million per year over the three years.  Who is Howie going to lose on Defense for 7.7 million per year?

Hard to look at it exactly that way. It's a savings to the overall payroll. The more wins you have in savings per player the more you can do. I don't think Becton gets 3 years guaranteed on a reasonable contract (like 10-12M). One, he will likely bet on himself before he does that. If he dominates, for 2 years on a Superbowl contender, he can cash in and get Dickerson type money somewhere. Two, with his past injuries, Howie will be careful on guarantees and term. Three, with incoming contracts looming he's got to keep optionality with a shorter term.

29 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Agreed.  Take away the Carter double teams and how successful do you think Williams would be?

Reminds me of when Tampa signed Alvin Harper away from Dallas to be their number one, he fell on his face because he wasnt batman, michael Irvin was, harper was robin and a really good 2 but you dont give the bag to a 2'and Milton while a really good 2 isnt a 1 but someone will pay him like one.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

AJ is a very astute guy.  

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

 

One play we don’t talk about much was the Chiefs first 3rd down play of the game which was on their first possession. Mahomes was flushed out and Carter ran him down. Mahomes got the ball off just in time only to watch several Eagles DBs completely blow up the play and nearly come up with an INT. The D set the tone right away and all over the field. Mahomes had no chance and he knew it right away. 

37 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

One play we don’t talk about much was the Chiefs first 3rd down play of the game which was on their first possession. Mahomes was flushed out and Carter ran him down. Mahomes got the ball off just in time only to watch several Eagles DBs completely blow up the play and nearly come up with an INT. The D set the tone right away and all over the field. Mahomes had no chance and he knew it right away. 

Yeah that’s a really big spot in a big moment early on. In fact… The more I think about it the bigger the play was right? 3rd down on their first drive, after we’d received the ball to start the game and the drive stalled due to an awful play. If they had converted there then who knows right? I mean we were so so much better than them on the day so maybe it makes no difference but who knows. Also shout out to Rodgers who was in for Slay on that play and made the break up (and nearly got the INT).

What I’ll say about that play as well is this… For all of those who believe the Chiefs get favourable calls. That sequence of plays early on is how the officials can and do help the Chiefs. The AJ OPI call was BS. They then get the ball back and it is up to them to take advantage. The Chiefs get big calls in big spots that can ultimately help them to win. They still have to do their thing though to take advantage.

2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

One play we don’t talk about much was the Chiefs first 3rd down play of the game which was on their first possession. Mahomes was flushed out and Carter ran him down. Mahomes got the ball off just in time only to watch several Eagles DBs completely blow up the play and nearly come up with an INT. The D set the tone right away and all over the field. Mahomes had no chance and he knew it right away. 

AR will resort to screens and quick game when his line is overmatched but the defense was just all over everything, rallying to the ball, making Mahomes and the receivers work. And honestly, the KC offense wasn’t doing much with the little that the defense gave them. BTA.

7 hours ago, jojodancer said:

I think Williams in his own right is becoming a beast and they will feed off of each other.  Eventually teams may have to pick their poison of Williams/Carter if he keeps beating one on one's and will think about double teaming him as well. He's in the process of becoming that guy. Still an unfinished product. As his snaps went up so did his production. Again, he got to the QB and made big plays and that's where the money is at. Ojomo not so much yet. Davis is going into his 4th year and still hasn't shown that knack. Can't assume Ojomo is Williams. Not there yet.

These are my thoughts too. Everyone is arguing that Williams is a product of Carter being doubled. Williams still has to win those 1-on-1 battles and he's dominating when given the chance. I would much rather have Carter with Williams AND Ojomo rotating then Carter with Ojomo (hoping he replicates Williams) and a rookie we know nothing about.

Having Williams and Ojomo fresh in a rotation will give OL fits. Also, heaven for bid Carter gets hurt, Williams and Ojomo are much better than Ojomo and whoever.

9 hours ago, just relax said:

How do you measure these deltas?What’s the difference between good and great? Is Saqoun 10x better than Gainwell, which is what their contracts are worth. What’s the difference between them? 

Try it another way: How good is Dickerson? What’s he worth? If I’m right, Becton is a comparable talent. Do you think Steen is as good as Dickerson? Clearly, Stoutland thinks Becton is better than Steen, else he wouldn’t play him.

I Would love to think Steen could be a pro bowl level guard but I don’t know that. I know Becton is.

This is all opinion, and nobody pays me for mine.

Same. But no i dont think Becton is anywhere near as good as Dickerson, who might be the best guard in the league (in my opinion…)

and here is what i am trying to convey maybe. Its all in the results. I dont care how big he is. The delta is in performance, not what we dream they are capable of. The dropoff to Steen was minimal in games. Points thats playing with 4 other Tier 1 players might have alot to do with their success

Therfore, i would rather spend the financial delta elsewhere.

29 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

These are my thoughts too. Everyone is arguing that Williams is a product of Carter being doubled. Williams still has to win those 1-on-1 battles and he's dominating when given the chance. I would much rather have Carter with Williams AND Ojomo rotating then Carter with Ojomo (hoping he replicates Williams) and a rookie we know nothing about.

Having Williams and Ojomo fresh in a rotation will give OL fits. Also, heaven for bid Carter gets hurt, Williams and Ojomo are much better than Ojomo and whoever.

I want a unicorn too

cant pay everyone

12 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I want a unicorn too

cant pay everyone

Yeah might as well trade for Miles Garrett while we’re at it.

3 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

One play we don’t talk about much was the Chiefs first 3rd down play of the game which was on their first possession. Mahomes was flushed out and Carter ran him down. Mahomes got the ball off just in time only to watch several Eagles DBs completely blow up the play and nearly come up with an INT. The D set the tone right away and all over the field. Mahomes had no chance and he knew it right away. 

Mahomes' eyes lit up when he saw McCollum and Brown out there.

4 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Mahomes' eyes lit up when he saw McCollum and Brown out there.

Yeah, with 3 mins left in the game but not on that play in the 1st quarter

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

lso shout out to Rodgers who was in for Slay on that play and made the break up (and nearly got the INT).

btw - Rodgers was in as an extra dime DB and Slay was in his normal spot

9 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Mahomes' eyes lit up when he saw McCollum and Brown out there.

And when he didn’t have a defensive lineman in his face within 3 seconds… 

10 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

btw - Rodgers was in as an extra nickle DB and Slay was in his normal spot

Oh really? Okay I must have missed that at the time.

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Oh really? Okay I must have missed that at the time.

Yeah, check the highlights and you can see Slay at the bottom of the screen.  Rodgers is further to the inside lined up against a WR in the slot.  Eagles were in a dime package (should have said dime not nickle) with six DBs, plus Baun, and the four DL.

54 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Same. But no i dont think Becton is anywhere near as good as Dickerson, who might be the best guard in the league (in my opinion…)

and here is what i am trying to convey maybe. Its all in the results. I dont care how big he is. The delta is in performance, not what we dream they are capable of. The dropoff to Steen was minimal in games. Points thats playing with 4 other Tier 1 players might have alot to do with their success

Therfore, i would rather spend the financial delta elsewhere.

You make a good argument.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Same. But no i dont think Becton is anywhere near as good as Dickerson, who might be the best guard in the league (in my opinion…)

and here is what i am trying to convey maybe. Its all in the results. I dont care how big he is. The delta is in performance, not what we dream they are capable of. The dropoff to Steen was minimal in games. Points thats playing with 4 other Tier 1 players might have alot to do with their success

Therfore, i would rather spend the financial delta elsewhere.

If we can get Becton at a starting RG level of money and there is enough after Baun is signed then I'm for bringing Becton back.  It is a luxury to have to have Steen as a backup but given how important the OL is I'd be happy to pay for that.

If the Eagles have determined Becton won't be the RT of the future, is it still a priority to sign him? I honestly don't think he will move back out to tackle as he still struggles in pass pro.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

These are my thoughts too. Everyone is arguing that Williams is a product of Carter being doubled. Williams still has to win those 1-on-1 battles and he's dominating when given the chance. I would much rather have Carter with Williams AND Ojomo rotating then Carter with Ojomo (hoping he replicates Williams) and a rookie we know nothing about.

Having Williams and Ojomo fresh in a rotation will give OL fits. Also, heaven for bid Carter gets hurt, Williams and Ojomo are much better than Ojomo and whoever.

If we can keep 2, you’ve prioritized Williams and Baun (?). You’ll go to the bargain bin for a veteran DE and rely on the draft, and accept the likely downgrade at OL with Steen.  Tradeoffs, right?

What are the chances that they throw money at Baun?

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

What are the chances that they throw money at Baun?

Are you going to do this with every single name that pops up in FA? I don't understand the fascination with acquiring names...do you understand the concept that players age out and are not the same players anymore? The Eagles have time and again proven to be one of the smarter teams in the NFL...I will trust the process and not react to the noise...

10 hours ago, just relax said:

How do you measure these deltas?What’s the difference between good and great? Is Saqoun 10x better than Gainwell, which is what their contracts are worth. What’s the difference between them? 

Try it another way: How good is Dickerson? What’s he worth? If I’m right, Becton is a comparable talent. Do you think Steen is as good as Dickerson? Clearly, Stoutland thinks Becton is better than Steen, else he wouldn’t play him.

I Would love to think Steen could be a pro bowl level guard but I don’t know that. I know Becton is.

This is all opinion, and nobody pays me for mine.

Becton is not in Dickerson's league as a guard, Becton is a top end guard on rushing plays, on pass plays he's mediocre, he's the weak link in pass protection on our line. Steen is at least as good as Becton in pass protection.

The worry is they keep Becton around thinking they can kick him outside again when Lane retires, and that would be dumb as rocks because the drop off in pass protection from Lane to Becton is a f'ing big cliff.

21 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

If the Eagles have determined Becton won't be the RT of the future, is it still a priority to sign him? I honestly don't think he will move back out to tackle as he still struggles in pass pro.

I tend to agree, I see his value as a backup to slide out - but like most of these G to T transitions, they seem to rarely happen.