Oh please, do it Schoen! Prove the haters wrong!

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Unpopular opinion -- the Rams should have moved on from Stafford. He is still viewed as a borderline top 5 QB, but he hasn't been that for a couple years. If the Giants were really offering the 3rd pick in the draft, you make that trade.

I dont think it really made sense to trade him. They are a contending team, and this draft is not the one to take a QB high. Timing didnt make sense from competitive standpoint, or timing of the opportunity to replace the QB in the draft. 

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

 

 

Wonder what the numbers look like.

5 minutes ago, paco said:

I didn't know you were on the White Hose staff  

Is that the hose police use to spray down minority civil rights activists?🤔

40 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Am I the only one that doesn't really want Myles Garrett?  I won't cry myself to sleep if we get him, but I just don't like the idea of giving up loads of draft capital and signing him to a huge extension at 30 years old.  He is already on the downward slope of his prime.  

Our biggest problem is Howie has drafted way too many studs these last 4 years, meaning we are going to have to pay up next year (Cam Jurgens), the year after (Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith), the year after (Cooper Dejean), and that trend will continue.  Keep this team young, ferocious, hungry, and most of all.....together.  There will be fallout for some of these guys if we trade for Garrett and extend him.  

I am being patient to trust the new Howie 2.0 who builds mainly through the draft. It's a good draft class for Defensive linemen. Garrett is great and putting him on this D line with Carter will be insane. 

But do they lose Baun, and with Dean coming off yet another injury what's the answer at LB? They haven't drafted a LB in the first round since the 1970s. Rarely draft in the 2nd round. He's let other good LBs walk in free agency. To your point, there's a lot of young players that will need their paydays in upcoming seasons as well. Howie is the best at the cap stuff and contract structures, and it's a good problem to have when you win a 2nd SB in 7 years. 

One concern is how they try to run it back. I don't want them thinking "dream team" with going after Garrett if it disrupts team chemistry, thinking too much on going all in on a repeat and putting aside draft picks. I'm not saying I'm against trading for Garrett, but regardless of free agents I still want them drafting and developing talent the way they have the last few seasons, not like before when their defensive drafts were awful and they had to rely on free agents and trades. 

There could also potentially be an issue where players see them let homegrown players walk like Sweat and Williams and trade draft assets for another team's player and then give him a huge contract. 

If they do trade for him, gotta see the terms because Howie has been able to spread out draft impact in the past. When he traded up for Wentz, he spread out the impact over 3 drafts so it wasn't like one draft was depleted. Plus they have SB winning last picks of the round so not as attractive, and next year's will be later as well. 

I would prefer loading up on D line in this draft to have young guys for Fangio and coaches to develop.  

Signing him and drafting Sanders... gee, I can't see how that could possibly go wrong.

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Browns arent going to get rid of a generational player for james thrash and a 5th.

And its not like garrett is going to waive his contract and sign for the league minimum, its going to be a significant amount of money.

It's all guessing. You guess it won't happen and I'm guessing it's just not going to be as expensive as you think 🤷‍♂️

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Wonder what the numbers look like.

Probably like lines and some curves with some commas?

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

I am being patient to trust the new Howie 2.0 who builds mainly through the draft. It's a good draft class for Defensive linemen. Garrett is great and putting him on this D line with Carter will be insane. 

But do they lose Baun, and with Dean coming off yet another injury what's the answer at LB? They haven't drafted a LB in the first round since the 1970s. Rarely draft in the 2nd round. He's let other good LBs walk in free agency. To your point, there's a lot of young players that will need their paydays in upcoming seasons as well. Howie is the best at the cap stuff and contract structures, and it's a good problem to have when you win a 2nd SB in 7 years. 

One concern is how they try to run it back. I don't want them thinking "dream team" with going after Garrett if it disrupts team chemistry, thinking too much on going all in on a repeat and putting aside draft picks. I'm not saying I'm against trading for Garrett, but regardless of free agents I still want them drafting and developing talent the way they have the last few seasons, not like before when their defensive drafts were awful and they had to rely on free agents and trades. 

There could also potentially be an issue where players see them let homegrown players walk like Sweat and Williams and trade draft assets for another team's player and then give him a huge contract. 

If they do trade for him, gotta see the terms because Howie has been able to spread out draft impact in the past. When he traded up for Wentz, he spread out the impact over 3 drafts so it wasn't like one draft was depleted. Plus they have SB winning last picks of the round so not as attractive, and next year's will be later as well. 

I would prefer loading up on D line in this draft to have young guys for Fangio and coaches to develop.  

Barry gardner, quinton caver, matt mccoy, mychal kendricks all 2nd round picks under Reid/ Banner/ Howie.

So not out of the realm of possibility they could use a 2nd on LB.

30 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

My view on Garrett is pretty simple -- he's a generational talent, DPOY finalist every season and likely a 1st ballot hall of famer that likely has at least 4-5 great years left. If someone like that is available, you have to try. I'd trade the 32nd pick and a 3rd next year to get him and then likely extend him. He's due just under $20mm this year and $25mm next year. Let's say you did a 4 year/$120mm deal with him, with a $40mm signing bonus, min salaries and option bonuses where ~$75mm is guaranteed at signing. His 2025 cap number in that case is ~$9.255mm ($1.255mm base salary + $8mm of signing bonus proration). That still leaves room to bring back Baun, but you move on from Sweat, Williams and Becton. 

Keeping Baun in that scenario would be huge. I think that's one of the issues people have with it, is not knowing if we retain any of the free agents leaving.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

It's all guessing. You guess it won't happen and I'm guessing it's just not going to be as expensive as you think 🤷‍♂️

Thats fair enough, unless its thrash and a 5th im not really a fan of a garrett trade.

Rather build through the draft and prudent FA signings.

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I dont think it really made sense to trade him. They are a contending team, and this draft is not the one to take a QB high. Timing didnt make sense from competitive standpoint, or timing of the opportunity to replace the QB in the draft. 

More of a last chance to sell high idea. I'd take #3 and pray Carter is there, even if I have to redshirt him. I know everyone is worked up that they played us well, but they were down 15 with 4:00 to go before we went prevent and started making mistakes. They were 10-7 and barely won their division. Stafford's reputation leads to both him and the Rams being very overrated IMO.

 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I didn't say she made it up. But she did say "here is what some people are saying right now". What I'm questioning are the other people. 

This is what Howie said. Even if he's lying I would trust this more than what other people at the combine are saying.

"Obviously, anytime that you’re talking about giving up a high pick and a lot of money for a player, it’s also gotta fit where you are as a team, it’s gotta fit where you are from a cap perspective,” Roseman said. "All those things have to match up. We look at all those. There’s a lot of attractive items out there. We spend a lot of time talking about every position and every good player and we’re selfish, we want everyone. But at the end of the day, it’s just not the position we’re in right now.”

 

I don't know what to make of it.  I just put more weight on her reporting than Roseman's quote.  It's not because I don't think Roseman was being honest when he was quoted but because Roseman is an opportunist and would make the move if he thought it was feasible.  I can see him passing on players in Free Agency if he thinks there's a possibility of a trade leading up to the draft.  

He also asked for patience and said the offseason may not look like what people expect.  

 

Covey is hitting FA

11 minutes ago, Cheesteakitis said:

Hopefully the new Qb coach brings along his tight end very good prospect!

That's a great point. You have to wonder how much sway he will have. Fannin is a terrific talent. 

Just now, vikas83 said:

More of a last chance to sell high idea. I'd take #3 and pray Carter is there, even if I have to redshirt him. I know everyone is worked up that they played us well, but they were down 15 with 4:00 to go before we went prevent and started making mistakes. They were 10-7 and barely won their division. Stafford's reputation leads to both him and the Rams being very overrated IMO.

Last year, they stumbled in to the playoffs with help.

This year, they started the year so banged up which hurt the record, but when healthy, were exactly what they showed to be. A decent playoff opponent, better than a sure 1 and done type of team.

As I see it, they have been on the upswing. If I were them, Id be looking to continue improving and make a last go of it with Stafford as the QB rather than pre-maturely tear it all down.

Stafford is aging, Kupp aged, Donald retired. Their time wont be long, but their window is still open thanks to their DL draft last year. I also think Whittington is ready to take over for Kupp. The areas theyve lost, or are set to lose from due to age have not really downgraded at all. They arent all that far off. 

46 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

oh dear god, please let Washington trade for that broken down fat f.

This time of year, agents and GMs are negotiating and there are "sources" that leak things to the media for leverage. Look at Stafford. All that and he stayed.

I think Baun wants to stay. He was given a chance, had a great year, likes the team and culture. There are other players like Smitty who could have got more money elsewhere but stayed. I think Howie will make a deal to Baun that is very good but less than he would get elsewhere, and he will put bonuses or other tricks he uses to make him paid but go easier on the cap. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Covey is hitting FA

He's also 28 in 2 weeks! 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

That's a great point. You have to wonder how much sway he will have. Fannin is a terrific talent. 

Fannin might be good, but he looks super stiff to me. Not just in change of direction, but even running in a straight line seems so awkward for him.

I think he needs to show good COD skills at the combine. I wouldnt be surprised by a bad workout from him. 

13 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Is that the hose police use to spray down minority civil rights activists?🤔

F'n autocorrect  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

 

I don't know what to make of it.  I just put more weight on her reporting than Roseman's quote.  It's not because I don't think Roseman was being honest when he was quoted but because Roseman is an opportunist and would make the move if he thought it was feasible.  I can see him passing on players in Free Agency if he thinks there's a possibility of a trade leading up to the draft.  

He also asked for patience and said the offseason may not look like what people expect.  

 

Howie could have just left it at "I cant comment on other players under contract". Or left it at "Eagles fans can be assured we'll check into anyone that's available" (forget the exact quote but something along those lines). 

Saying what he said and then adding the patience part as well as next year "looking different" and "we view free agency from March up to the trade deadline" makes me think he's setting up the fan base to not expect anything splashy or big. 

All the people hearing Howie and the Eagles are making a move could easily be Garretts agent speaking. Essentially a "hey the team that just won the SB two weeks ago is going to get the best defensive player in the NFL next" to light a fire under other teams. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Fannin might be good, but he looks super stiff to me. Not just in change of direction, but even running in a straight line seems so awkward for him.

I think he needs to show good COD skills at the combine. I wouldnt be surprised by a bad workout from him. 

You're right about that, he does look stiff. He's not my first TE option, but he's a weapon. 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Last year, they stumbled in to the playoffs with help.

This year, they started the year so banged up which hurt the record, but when healthy, were exactly what they showed to be. A decent playoff opponent, better than a sure 1 and done type of team.

As I see it, they have been on the upswing. If I were them, Id be looking to continue improving and make a last go of it with Stafford as the QB rather than pre-maturely tear it all down.

Stafford is aging, Kupp aged, Donald retired. Their time wont be long, but their window is still open thanks to their DL draft last year. I also think Whittington is ready to take over for Kupp. The areas theyve lost, or are set to lose from due to age have not really downgraded at all. They arent all that far off. 

They are dumping Kupp, and Stafford's numbers when he doesn't have both Kupp and Puka are very pedestrian -- like a mid 80s rating. And for all the talk about their offense with wonder boy McVay and Stafford, they scored 12, 19 and 13 points in the last 3 games played by the starters (yes, after putting a 40 burger on the Bills). 

I'll wager they miss the playoffs in 2025.

So if Rodgers goes to NYG and is paired with Daboll and still fails, is it safe to say that Daboll isn't a good HC? 

Daboll is supposed to be a very good offensive mind and Rodgers isn't bad by any means.  Not what he used to be but still better than guys like Daniel Jones.

If Daboll is as good as people say they should be much improved with Rodgers. He will be the best QB he's had in NY.  Not saying contend for a SB but maybe win anywhere from 8-10 games.