I don’t think Howie is letting all the free agents go in 10 days based on thinking he’s going in on Garrett. Once he loses everybody he’s lost all his leverage with Berry who knows Howie always makes moves.   To me Garrett is only likely if Howie gets outbid on all free agents first. If Baun gets Fred Warner money after one season you have to let him go but I think there’s a lot of smoke going around right now

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s why i asked what the percentage of all 4 leave. I think baun wants to come back cause he loves it here. But i think if he gets to FA that someone is going to just offer him something ridiculous and he can’t turn it down.  Imo i wouldn’t be surprised to see someone like the raiders just throw 16.5-17 mil per knowing he’s a good team guy and they could use the help at the position.  Then i don’t see them spending on sweat. Milton probably also gets something he can’t turn down. Then it’s becton who’s left to return. I tend to agree with Fran where he explained when they did their game on PHLY that it’s probably a toss up. 

Well said. I think the percentage all 4 leave is really low. Maybe 5-10%.

All signs point to losing 3 and keeping one of Baun/ Becton.

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He already is a legend here. 

Truth.

I should have typed that out as 'continue to be a legend here.'

8 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Yeah. If I’m the Browns I’m asking for two 1sts and Nolan Smith. That’d be dumb to give up. At minimum 3 draft picks in the first two days. 

Theres no way they’d get Nolan and 2 firsts.

Maybe a first and third this year and a future pick.

The idea that LA was "one play away" from beating us is crazy. A TD ties the game and a PAT was not a gimme in that weather. Even if they do get it, we had all our timeouts to make a play at game-winning FG.

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

The idea that LA was "one play away" from beating us is crazy. A TD ties the game and a PAT was not a gimme in that weather. Even if they do get it, we had all our timeouts to make a play at game-winning FG.

I get what you’re saying, but Hurts was injured and struggling mightily. Maybe the Rams miss the XP, but I’m confident in saying we lose if the Rams took the lead late. 

Seems like no one here has followed the combine today. I posted CB 40s earlier. 

Some notable TE times

Fannin 4.73

Terrance Ferguson 4.64

Hawes 4.83

Helm 4.93

 

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I get what you’re saying, but Hurts was injured and struggling mightily. Maybe the Rams miss the XP, but I’m confident in saying we lose if the Rams took the lead late. 

I think we lose too, but analysts make it seem like it was over. 

42 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Seems like no one here has followed the combine today. I posted CB 40s earlier. 

Some notable TE times

Fannin 4.73

Terrance Ferguson 4.64

Hawes 4.83

Helm 4.93

 

I think Helm improved his time into the low 4.8s, 30 vert - thought he would have better numbers. Bit disappointing that Arroyo or Taylor Jr. didn’t run, they aren’t even Day 1 picks and haven’t played ball in months. The college playoff is kind of making the combine less watchable, as a wider swath of guys aren’t participating. 

The CBs overall ran well.  Too bad the 3-cone has been discarded by many, liked that drill.

A thing I've learned getting enamored by edge rushers and linebackers who have explosive athleticism/speed every year in the draft: the guys that don't bust show the consistent ability to go through a blocker, not just around them. Block destruction, as the Eagles would call it. This is what makes Nolan Smith successful even more than his sub 4.4 speed. Chandler Jones was the first prospect I watched that turned my thinking away from the "fastballs" I was conditioned to love in Jim Johnson's defenses. This applies mostly to the front 7 but the  elite safeties also play with a go through you mentality. When I hear a linebacker described as "run-and-chase," I feel like I have to watch some games to see how they get to the ball carrier. This is what separates Baun from a lot of LBs -- his experience on the line of scrimmage shows up in the open field.

Maybe too simple an observation to even be notable. Football players, especially on defense, should be physical. Duh. But when I liked a prospect who didn't translate, it seemed like it was because they didn't always take the most direct path to the football, blockers notwithstanding. 

 

1 hour ago, TEW said:

You weren’t asking me, but it’s obviously Becton to Steen. Jurgens was basically as good as Kelce was last season.

Yep. The drop off from Kelce to Jurgens was maybe a couple of dozen plays for the whole year. Kelce was on the downward slide and knew it before the rest of us could see it. One or two plays a game. A missed line call. Failed blitz pickup.

As for Becton, Steen had no second level blocks of consequence, nor P&P blocks. His pass pro was good but even though he’s 35-40 pounds lighter, he doesn’t move like Becton. No comparison on IZ blocking. I mean an order of magnitude. Steen was a high draft pick; Becton fell out of the sky, yet Stoutland went with Becton, injuries aside. 

Here’s my bottom line: I think this OL is the best in NFL history. There have been better individual players - good as Mailata is, Peters was better, just to stay close to home. As was Jonathan Ogden. But five guys each of whom are no worse than 3rd best among current players? Never happened. 

This is the engine that drives the train. Leave it the F alone.
 

35 minutes ago, RLC said:

The idea that LA was "one play away" from beating us is crazy. A TD ties the game and a PAT was not a gimme in that weather. Even if they do get it, we had all our timeouts to make a play at game-winning FG.

The correct framing would be they were one play away from stealing the game. I don’t think anyone here would suggest Rams were close or on par with the Eagles talent wise. 

Emmanwori is a beast and ran a 4.38 at his size. Has been behind Starks in the class. Starks ran 4.50 today. 

Also 43'' vertical. 11'6'' broad. Starks had 33'' vert and no broad jump.

 

Thats a heck of a day for Eman showing up S#1 big time.

is safety Craig Woodson related to another famous NFL Woodson?

I’d be very surprised if Howie’s plan at edge was Smith, Hunt, Huff and rookie. Shocked even. I’m not sure what other name will be in there besides the Garrett pipe dream but I just don’t see him banking it on the first 4

2 hours ago, SkippyX said:

96.

Josaiah StewartEDGE Michigan

You can unscramble his name, toss out a few letters and you get Josh Sweat

 

5 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

This corner class just isnt impressive

I don't agree there, it's not a "great" group by any stretch or a top group like the d-line prospects, but it's a little underrated I feel. There's some good ones and it looks to have decent depth. 

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

I’m not sure Mayer is even good. He doesn’t look like he’s good at getting open the times I’ve seen him.

If I was trading for a te I would take a swing at Kyle Pitts see if a change of scenery and an actual team change bring out some of that skill that made him a top 10 pick 

23 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I’d be very surprised if Howie’s plan at edge was Smith, Hunt, Huff and rookie. Shocked even. I’m not sure what other name will be in there besides the Garrett pipe dream but I just don’t see him banking it on the first 4

No matter how good Smith and Hunt may be as the top 2 edges (and the answer may be really good)...they need reliably disruptive additions to the rotation.

I think both the draft board and veteran FA/trade availability will determine just how talented those additions are.  No Eagles/Howie FO will shy away from premium edge talent.

If that's a first round pick who happens to be immensely talented and BPA at 32, great.  If it's an unforeseen trade for a veteran stud, great.  And if it's a high value 2nd day pick in a deep edge or a 2nd tier but reliable veteran addition...that's fine too.  

I just don't want a draft reach in the 1st two rounds simply because its a need/box we need to check.  That's where Marcus Smith's and Derek Barnett's come from.

3 minutes ago, Cheesteakitis said:

If I was trading for a te I would take a swing at Kyle Pitts see if a change of scenery and an actual team change bring out some of that skill that made him a top 10 pick 

I was going to post about Pitts but you beat me to it (I forgot).  I totally see Pitts as a Howie move

Just now, eagle45 said:

No matter how good Smith and Hunt may be as the top 2 edges (and the answer may be really good)...they need reliably disruptive additions to the rotation.

I think both the draft board and veteran FA/trade availability will determine just how talented those additions are.  No Eagles/Howie FO will shy away from premium edge talent.

If that's a first round pick who happens to be immensely talented and BPA at 32, great.  If it's an unforeseen trade for a veteran stud, great.  And if it's a high value 2nd day pick in a deep edge or a 2nd tier but reliable veteran addition...that's fine too.  

I just don't want a draft reach in the 1st two rounds simply because its a need/box we need to check.  That's where Marcus Smith's and Derek Barnett's come from.

I think they’ll draft someone but typical production is 1st yr Nolan Smith so I still don’t think that will be the only plan

Not sure Pitts is good either. I’d rather just draft one tbh. Unless you can get Pitts for like a 5th which isn’t happening

4 minutes ago, Cheesteakitis said:

If I was trading for a te I would take a swing at Kyle Pitts see if a change of scenery and an actual team change bring out some of that skill that made him a top 10 pick 

The issue with Kyle Pitts and every disappointing first round pick...

You have 3 bands.  ****Drafting team not giving up on their first round pick unless it's an offer they can't refuse*****    *****talented salvageable first round pick available for cheap because drafting team is frustrated and just wants something*****   *****completely fried talent that they are now willing to part with for anything because there's no way he'll succeed*****

Band 2 is a really narrow target.  Teams aren't going to want to trade their top 10 pick once billed as a generational talent to an in-conference SB champion unless they are absolutely certain the guy is cooked.  Barkley and Becton aren't going to have teams lining up to trade their talented disappointments to the Eagles.

4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I think they’ll draft someone but typical production is 1st yr Nolan Smith so I still don’t think that will be the only plan

And that's the problem with drafting for that role.  With Smith and Hunt, the Eagles may not actually need a star starting edge.  They need more of a rotational, reliable pass rusher.

If you need immediate contribution but don't need the upside, then you want a vet.

IMO, some of those "high floor low ceiling" draft picks have great polish but struggle initially adapting to the speed and strength of the NFL more than the raw explosive types...and they have a paradoxically longer learning curve until they perfect their craft to compensate.

I just wouldn't draft for immediate contribution, especially when the first pick is at 32.  

Man this graph gives me such mixed feelings