This is my guy in RD4 or RD5.

Would be a great complement to Barkley.

 

 

Just now, TEW said:

High draft picks can absolutely contribute.

And your argument about one injury applies to the OL as well. If you let Becton walk, and promote Steen, who’s to say Keegan can play if Steen or Dickerson gets hurt?

We already have to draft a backup OT. Do you want to end up like the Chiefs in the Super Bowl?

I’d much rather have proven depth on the OL than DL, given most depth is going to come from the draft for both units. Becton is a pro bowl caliber player and a key player to our entire style of offense. We are already 3 deep at both DT and DE with proven depth, but only have one guy of any confidence on the OL.

On top of that, Becton is a proven commodity, as opposed to a projection.

Yep, high draft picks can contribute, and they can also suck. Going into the draft with Carter, Smith, and Davis as the only known commodities on the DL, hoping that Hunt and Ojomo can be good rotational players, and and adding nothing would be insanely stupid. As I said, thank God you aren't in charge. Also, comparing a backup OL who won't play unless there is an injury to a DL who will have a significant role in a rotation is the ultimate apples to oranges comparison. 

7 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Blindly counting on two draft picks to not only work out, but have a significant impact as rookies is beyond foolish. Quinyon and Dejean are the exception, not the rule. Not only that, our first two picks are 32 and 64, not 22 and 40.

Huff couldn't even dress for the SB and Booker is a fringe roster player. If we add nothing to do the DL in free agency we are a Smith or Carter injury away from being terrible there.

Agreed. The defense is about to take a nice dip if we don't get a proven border line star for DE. You're losing 3 quality vets in Sweat, Graham and Williams. Hunt and Smith is a nice start but not nearly enough. I am for bringing a guy like Hendrickson for the right compensation to bridge the gap for a couple years til these draft picks mature. Also need to add solid veteran leadership to the group. If not going to do that then resign Williams, who can play DT and DE at times as well and is versatile. Going to have to spend some money and take from some other area on the roster.

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Blindly counting on two draft picks to not only work out, but have a significant impact as rookies is beyond foolish. Quinyon and Dejean are the exception, not the rule. Not only that, our first two picks are 32 and 64, not 22 and 40.

Huff couldn't even dress for the SB and Booker is a fringe roster player. If we add nothing to do the DL in free agency we are a Smith or Carter injury away from being terrible there.

I’m asking for a rotational piece, not a starter.

Keegan struggled to even get on the field when we were resting our starters, yet that’s the depth we have on the OL. Somehow that is OK in your mind after watching the Chiefs implode due to lack of depth on the OL.

Bottom line, you’re going to have to pick where to gamble. I’ll gamble on rookie depth on the DL rather than the OL. Better return on draft picks since they can contribute in a rotation, less risk to our chances of winning than rookies stepping in on the OL and being terrible, more money saved vs equivalent talents on the OL, and keeps continuity on the OL which is more important than continuity on the DL.

Just now, jojodancer said:

Agreed. The defense is about to take a nice dip if we don't get a proven border line star for DE. You're losing 3 quality vets in Sweat, Graham and Williams. Hunt and Smith is a nice start but not nearly enough. I am for bringing a guy like Hendrickson for the right compensation to bridge the gap for a couple years til these draft picks mature. Also need solid veteran leadership to the group. That or resign Williams, which can play DE at times a s well and is versatile. Going to have to spend some money there from somewhere else on the roster.

Thank you. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone debating this with TWE and his white knight. Counting on Hunt, Ojomo and rookie draft picks to have significant roles in a DL rotation for a team that is supposed to be a SB contender is just plain stupid. Ideally Ojomo is a 3rd or 4th DT, and Hunt is a 3rd or 4th edge rusher. 

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

First of all, why are you white knighting for him. That's just downright creepy and weird.

Second, he said he would rather re-sign Becton than do everything else I listed which included signing a DT, Edge rusher, and Rodgers. 

Third, you don't go into the draft desperately needing anything.

Fourth, the chances of the Eagles drafting two rookies on the DL who have half the impact (let alone the full impact) that Quinyon and Dejean had this season for the secondary  is highly unlikely. I am all for drafting an edge rusher and DT with the depth that this draft has to offer, but they will need to address those positions in free agency as well and with Steen waiting in the wings it's a far greater need than re-signing Becton.

I’m not looking for the DT to have the impact of Q or Cooper.  I’m looking for the drafted DT to have the impact of Ojomo.  Similarly, I’m looking for the drafted Edge to have the impact of either BG or Hunt.  Speaking of Hunt, was there something about his 2025-25 play that upsets you?  Again setting aside Q and Cooper, would you be happy with a Hunt clone added in the 2025 Draft?  This is a historically deep and high quality DL Draft.  Walter Nolen and all the top 5 DTs should be better than Milton was.      

Similarly, there are more than 10 Edges who should be better than Sweat.

31 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Jamaal Williams is about to turn 30, but I'd love to have him on this team. Would be a great veteran backup to Saquon. Shipley is the young buck. Can still add a RB in the draft if the value is there compared to other need positions. 

He sucks and has for awhile. 

Just now, mattwill said:

I’m not looking for the DT to have the impact of Q or Cooper.  I’m looking for the drafted DT to have the impact of Ojomo.  Similarly, I’m looking for the drafted Edge to have the impact of either BG or Hunt.  Speaking of Hunt, was there something about his 2025-25 play that upsets you?  Again setting aside Q and Cooper, would you be happy with a Hunt clone added in the 2025 Draft?  This is a historically deep and high quality DL Draft.  Walter Nolen and all the top 5 DTs should be better than Milton was.      

Similarly, there are more than 10 Edges who should be better than Sweat.

Again, you aren't listening. You and your buddies flaw is that you are just assuming that:

A. The Eagles will automatically draft an edge rusher and DT early

B. They will both have a legit impact for a SB contending team as rookies

I can't stress this enough, Quinyon and Dejean were the exception, not the rule.  

As for your question about Hunt. He developed nicely by the end of the season and played very well in the SB. He will still be a 2nd year player who is a bit of a project. Counting on him to be a starter next season is fine if this were a young rebuilding team but for a SB contender that is just plain stupid.

The idea of replacing Sweat, BG, and Williams with larger roles for young in house players and possibly the draft is laughably bad.

8 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Thank you. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone debating this with TWE and his white knight. Counting on Hunt, Ojomo and rookie draft picks to have significant roles in a DL rotation for a team that is supposed to be a SB contender is just plain stupid. Ideally Ojomo is a 3rd or 4th DT, and Hunt is a 3rd or 4th edge rusher. 

This offense will be on the sideline watching 10 minute drives and Jalen Carter will have to play 100 snaps and be exhausted if you don't give him help and protection. Kind of like giving Bryce Harper protection in a lineup. That's why Williams was so important. We just won the Superbowl because of a top ranked  defense. Jalen admitted this readily. Want that same dominance next year. No reason to let off of that idea.

Just now, jojodancer said:

This offense will be on the sideline watching 10 minute drives and Jalen Carter will have to play 100 snaps and be exhausted if you don't give him  help. We just won the Superbowl because of the defense. Want that same dominance next year. No reason to let off of that idea.

Yep, lol. Imagine thinking that losing Sweat, BG, and Williams without any veteran moves to help replace them is a good idea.

8 minutes ago, TEW said:

I’m asking for a rotational piece, not a starter.

Keegan struggled to even get on the field when we were resting our starters, yet that’s the depth we have on the OL. Somehow that is OK in your mind after watching the Chiefs implode due to lack of depth on the OL.

Bottom line, you’re going to have to pick where to gamble. I’ll gamble on rookie depth on the DL rather than the OL. Better return on draft picks since they can contribute in a rotation, less risk to our chances of winning than rookies stepping in on the OL and being terrible, more money saved vs equivalent talents on the OL, and keeps continuity on the OL which is more important than continuity on the DL.

Who FN cares about Keegan. They can sign a cheap veteran OL with starting experience to back up Steen. They currently don't have a starting caliber edge rusher opposite Smith, and need depth there and at DT. Meanwhile Steen was an early 3rd round pick about to enter his 3rd season and ready to take over at RG. 

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Yep, lol. Imagine thinking that losing Sweat, BG, and Williams without any veteran moves to help replace them is a good idea.

Yes. Ojomo and Hunt should be your fallback plan. Not your main plan. Sure they can get a bunch of snaps and make us pretty deep and eventually evolve into that. They need veteran leadership still. Both are pretty raw still.

5 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Agreed. The defense is about to take a nice dip if we don't get a proven border line star for DE. You're losing 3 quality vets in Sweat, Graham and Williams. Hunt and Smith is a nice start but not nearly enough. I am for bringing a guy like Hendrickson for the right compensation to bridge the gap for a couple years til these draft picks mature. Also need to add solid veteran leadership to the group. If not going to do that then resign Williams, who can play DT and DE at times as well and is versatile. Going to have to spend some money and take from some other area on the roster.

You are approaching your analysis with a guilty until proven innocent mindset.  If Fangio followed that approach neither Q nor Cooper would have seen any appreciable number of snaps this past year.  Fangio and Hurtt will have significant influence on Howie on Draft Day.  They have forgotten more than any of us will ever know.  

With that said I’ve been crystal clear that I really like the possibility of adding Hendrickson.  I also have been clear that I favor bringing back BG for one more bite of the Apple.  It does not have to be either/or, rather it can be both/and.

 

Just now, jojodancer said:

Yes. Ojomo and Hunt should be your fallback plan. Not your main plan. Sure they can get a bunch of snaps and make us pretty deep and eventually evolve into that. They need veteran leadership still. Both are pretty raw still.

Yep. I like both but in rotational roles, not as a stating edge rusher and 3rd DT. It's almost like these guys didn't watch the SB and see how/why we won. DL depth and pressure on the QB was it. Take away Sweat, Williams, and BG and replace them with nothing but unknown draft picks would be organizational malpractice. 

10 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You are approaching your analysis with a guilty until proven innocent mindset.  If Fangio followed that approach neither Q nor Cooper would have seen any appreciable number of snaps this past year.  Fangio and Hurtt will have significant influence on Howie on Draft Day.  They have forgotten more than any of us will ever know.  

With that said I’ve been crystal clear that I really like the possibility of adding Hendrickson.  I also have been clear that I favor bringing back BG for one more bite of the Apple.  It does not have to be either/or, rather it can be both/and.

 

Q and Cooper were Blue chippers. Not going to always find that immediate impact at Pick number 32 or later. That's not the norm. Look at Williams. Took him til his 4th year to blossom. Still waiting on Jordan Davis, drafted at #13, who was almost a can't miss and traded 4 picks for him. Making way too many  assumptions about these rookies coming in and setting the world on fire.   

4 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Q and Cooper were Blue chippers. Not finding that immediate impact at Pick number 32 or later. Look at Williams. Took him til his 4th year to blossom. Still waiting on Jordan Davis who was almost a can't miss and traded 4 picks for him. Making way too many  assumptions about these rookies coming in and setting the world on fire.   

They seem to think that just because Quinyon and Dejean came in as rookies and had a huge impact that it's some automatic thing when in fact it is rare. Not only that, those players were drafted at 22 and 40, NOT 32 and 64. Oh yeah, and good draft for DL or not the last thing you want to do is go into a draft NEEDING to address certain positions. Howie just watched a team he built win the SB in large part due to DL depth, there is no way he is going to lose Sweat, Williams, and BG and not sign or trade for any proven veteran guys.

25 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

They seem to think that just because Quinyon and Dejean came in as rookies and had a huge impact that it's some automatic thing when in fact it is rare. Not only that, those players were drafted at 22 and 40, NOT 32 and 64. Oh yeah, and good draft for DL or not the last thing you want to do is go into a draft NEEDING to address certain positions.

They rather go for overkill on the offensive line, but leave the defense with question marks everywhere. This offense will not miss Becton much and I do believe you make Stout earn his money and continue to find the next Becton or whomever. Steen is adequate. Can't put $104M into your top 5 lineman. Then pay Jalen $51M and then Pay Brown & Smith $58M. Barkley $21M. Goedert $14M These are crazy numbers and something has to give. This is too one-sided with salaries for the offense. That is going to have to shift some and I think it starts now. 

7 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Again, you aren't listening. You and your buddies flaw is that you are just assuming that:

A. The Eagles will automatically draft an edge rusher and DT early

B. They will both have a legit impact for a SB contending team as rookies

I can't stress this enough, Quinyon and Dejean were the exception, not the rule.  

As for your question about Hunt. He developed nicely by the end of the season and played very well in the SB. He will still be a 2nd year player who is a bit of a project. Counting on him to be a starter next season is fine if this were a young rebuilding team but for a SB contender that is just plain stupid.

The idea of replacing Sweat, BG, and Williams with larger roles for young in house players and possibly the draft is laughably bad.

A. Well over 75% of all prognostications have the Eagles taking a D-Lineman with their first pick.  That isn’t because of need, but rather because (1) this is a historically deep and strong D-Line draft class and (2) Howie consistently values using his high Draft picks on the trenches.

B. All 3 of Howie’s first three 2024 draftees had substantial impact their rookie year.  All 3 of Howie’s first three 2023 draftees had substantial impact their rookie year. Both of Howie’s first two 2022 draftees had substantial impact their rookie year. All  3 of Howie’s first three 2021 draftees had substantial impact their rookie year.

C. Ask anyone in the NFL if Hunt is still a project.  He is absolutely ready to be the starter opposite Nolan Smith.  

D.  Have you heard of "next man up”?

E.  You are pursuing a stereotypical Negadelphian approach.  Retire must have been your favorite stuffed animal as a child.

Whatever this means 

 

47 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

Smitty: "Sit your ass down.”

Jalen: "I’m saying though…”

😆

 

I think he was saying, based on the subtitles, that Hurts wanted to kick them when their down.

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I think he was saying, based on the subtitles, that Hurts wanted to kick them when their down.

I think he was just saying "we won man, stop complaining and have a seat and let the backups get some reps”. Ha 

19 minutes ago, mattwill said:

A. Well over 75% of all prognostications have the Eagles taking a D-Lineman with their first pick.  That isn’t because of need, but rather because (1) this is a historically deep and strong D-Line draft class and (2) Howie consistently values using his high Draft picks on the trenches.

B. All 3 of Howie’s first three 2024 draftees had substantial impact their rookie year.  All 3 of Howie’s first three 2023 draftees had substantial impact their rookie year. Both of Howie’s first two 2022 draftees had substantial impact their rookie year. All  3 of Howie’s first three 2021 draftees had substantial impact their rookie year.

C. Ask anyone in the NFL if Hunt is still a project.  He is absolutely ready to be the starter opposite Nolan Smith.  

D.  Have you heard of "next man up”?

E.  You are pursuing a stereotypical Negadelphian approach.  Retire must have been your favorite stuffed animal as a child.

LMAO, now you are just flat out making stuff up  and lying when you aren't just talking stupid.

Jalyx Hunt did not have a substantial impact as a rookie. He had 1.5 sacks and 20 tackles and a decent game in the SB.

2023 draft - Jalen Carter was the 9th overall pick in 2023. Comparing him to a pick at 32 is laughably stupid.

Nolan Smith had 1 sack and 18 tackles as a rookie and couldn't even get on the field consistently. Calling that a substantial impact is also laughably stupid.

Tyler Steen / Sydney Brown both had minimal impacts as rookies.

2022 draft - Jordan Davis was decent his rookie year. Substantial impact is up for debate.

Cam Jurgens sure had a "substantial impact" as a backup his rookie year

Nakobe Dean had 13 tackles as a rookie, how "substantial"

2021 - Devonta Smith was the 10th overall pick, again not in the same galaxy as drafting 32nd.

Landon Dickerson had a substantial impact as a rookie, yep.

Milton Williams had 2 sacks and 30 tackles. He was ok as a rookie

Seriously, stop embarrassing yourself.

 

22 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Whatever this means 

 

He and his agent are not allowed to talk to other teams yet, right? 

6 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

He and his agent are not allowed to talk to other teams yet, right? 

Yep. Winky face. 

19 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

LMAO, now you are just flat out making stuff up  and lying when you aren't just talking stupid.

Jalyx Hunt did not have a substantial impact as a rookie. He had 1.5 sacks and 20 tackles and a decent game in the SB.

2023 draft - Jalen Carter was the 9th overall pick in 2023. Comparing him to a pick at 32 is laughably stupid.

Nolan Smith had 1 sack and 18 tackles as a rookie and couldn't even get on the field consistently. Calling that a substantial impact is also laughably stupid.

Tyler Steen / Sydney Brown both had minimal impacts as rookies.

2022 draft - Jordan Davis was decent his rookie year. Substantial impact is up for debate.

Cam Jurgens sure had a "substantial impact" as a backup his rookie year

Nakobe Dean had 13 tackles as a rookie, how "substantial"

2021 - Devonta Smith was the 10th overall pick, again not in the same galaxy as drafting 32nd.

Landon Dickerson had a substantial impact as a rookie, yep.

Milton Williams had 2 sacks and 30 tackles. He was ok as a rookie

Seriously, stop embarrassing yourself.

 

Your definition of substantial and mine are obviously quite different.  It is obviously time to agree to disagree.  You have your opinion and I have mine.  Reasonable people can agree to disagree reasonably.