12 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

I think they wanted Trotter to have his shot.  They are saving money on the margins 2 mil for Pickett, 2 mil for Burks, 5 or 6 for Rodgers.

Well, all those numbers are smaller than they appear, because the Eagles will have to have someone on the roster in their place.  DRT has a $1M salary in his own right, but what they did get was an extra year at a low salary for DTR in place of having to pick up Pickett's 5th year option.  BUT, Pickett is also a much better option to turn to than DTR.  McKee moves up to #2 and also has 2 years of cheap control left on his deal.  They might want to ship him off after 2025 though and get some return for him too and then turn to DTR as the #2 for 2026.  

Same with Burks.  "Saving" $2.5M isn't the right value either, as his spot on the roster will be taken by someone who's likely making about $1M too.  For example, Trotter Jr as a 2nd year former 5th round pick has a $1M cap hit this year.  And he had a $877k cap hit last year as a rookie, so even a rookie draft pick will carry $900k+.  Personally, I wanted Burks back for veteran presence, special teams and to be an insurance policy on Trotter.  Not to mention, the lack of depth now.  The cost was low enough that I don't think it was a money decision, I think the Eagles absolutely would have done that deal, but Burks wanted the better opportunity to play, and that was offered by the Bengals, not here.  And that was the driving factor, not the money, which is why the report mentioned 'chance to start' as well as the contract.  

 

Rodgers is more of a cost savings move out of these 3.  But it will still cost $1M+ to have another depth CB on the roster.  Even Ricks on year 3 of his UDFA deal has a cap hit of over $1M.

 

So, the $9M-$10M you are referencing them saving is inflated by about $3M more than it should be when you factor in the cost to replace that spot on the roster.    It's really only saving $6M or $7M, and we have much worse depth right now.  There's still time for things to change.   But, I'd feel better about our depth, especially at LB, if Burks was back with that $2.5M salary.  As of right now, I don't even know who LB3 is on the roster.  (I'm not counting on Dean at all right now.  If/when he returns, that's gravy.) 

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

Allen 3-60. It’s amazing teams are cutting guys to get out of contracts and new teams are handing them bigger contracts.

I wonder what Jordan Davis is thinking. Is he thinking, average DT are getting paid, or is he thinking, if I go out and get in the best shape of my life, play the best season of my life, I can get a top 5 DT contract.

 

FWIW, I think Becton has been told to field offers and give us the opportunity to match if we want to. I don't think the FO views him as a must have, but he's a guy they'll bring back if the price is right, I think they're comfortable with Steen as a starter and maybe picking up a guy like Miles Frazier, Tate Ratledge or Clay Webb on late day 2 early day 3 for Stout to coach up.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well, all those numbers are smaller than they appear, because the Eagles will have to have someone on the roster in their place.  DRT has a $1M salary in his own right, but what they did get was an extra year at a low salary for DTR in place of having to pick up Pickett's 5th year option.  BUT, Pickett is also a much better option to turn to than DTR.  McKee moves up to #2 and also has 2 years of cheap control left on his deal.  They might want to ship him off after 2025 though and get some return for him too and then turn to DTR as the #2 for 2026.  

Same with Burks.  "Saving" $2.5M isn't the right value either, as his spot on the roster will be taken by someone who's likely making about $1M too.  For example, Trotter Jr as a 2nd year former 5th round pick has a $1M cap hit this year.  And he had a $877k cap hit last year as a rookie, so even a rookie draft pick will carry $900k+.  Personally, I wanted Burks back for veteran presence, special teams and to be an insurance policy on Trotter.  Not to mention, the lack of depth now.  The cost was low enough that I don't think it was a money decision, I think the Eagles absolutely would have done that deal, but Burks wanted the better opportunity to play, and that was offered by the Bengals, not here.  And that was the driving factor, not the money, which is why the report mentioned 'chance to start' as well as the contract.  

 

Rodgers is more of a cost savings move out of these 3.  But it will still cost $1M+ to have another depth CB on the roster.  Even Ricks on year 3 of his UDFA deal has a cap hit of over $1M.

 

So, the $9M-$10M you are referencing them saving is inflated by about $3M more than it should be when you factor in the cost to replace that spot on the roster.    It's really only saving $6M or $7M, and we have much worse depth right now.  There's still time for things to change.   But, I'd feel better about our depth, especially at LB, if Burks was back with that $2.5M salary.  As of right now, I don't even know who LB3 is on the roster.  (I'm not counting on Dean at all right now.  If/when he returns, that's gravy.) 

DTR proved at UCLA that he can be effective in the right scheme, he's never going to be elite but with decent coaching and the right playbook he could be a decent backup.

I'm fine with letting Sweat, Williams, and Rodgers walk at their numbers, but Burks at just $2M seems like a pretty obvious miss so far. That one just doesn't make much sense to me.

Jevon Holland to Giants 3-45

7 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Jevon Holland to Giants 3-45

Shoen doing his best to wreck the NYG future ahead of his last season.

Next move, draft a bad QB that seals the deal.

2 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Shoen doing his best to wreck the NYG future ahead of his last season.

Next move, draft a bad QB that seals the deal.

He didn't pay Barkley and then he didn't pay Xavier McKinney only to pay a guy the next year.  Giants are a trainwreck with a GM making dumb desperate moves to save his job.  Love it

Most of the numbers we’re seeing are half funny money, inflated to gratify the egos of players and feature agents’ names. I don’t believe almost any of them. Well, maybe the Jets and Giants, because no one would go to either of those teams for less than a boatload of money. Who wants to get beaten to a pulp for 3-4 wins a year if there is any alternative?

I'm having a hard time believing Dre'Mont Jones or Asante Samuel Jr won't get paid more money than Eagles will pay.  Market is crazy.

29 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well, all those numbers are smaller than they appear, because the Eagles will have to have someone on the roster in their place.  DRT has a $1M salary in his own right, but what they did get was an extra year at a low salary for DTR in place of having to pick up Pickett's 5th year option.  BUT, Pickett is also a much better option to turn to than DTR.  McKee moves up to #2 and also has 2 years of cheap control left on his deal.  They might want to ship him off after 2025 though and get some return for him too and then turn to DTR as the #2 for 2026.  

Same with Burks.  "Saving" $2.5M isn't the right value either, as his spot on the roster will be taken by someone who's likely making about $1M too.  For example, Trotter Jr as a 2nd year former 5th round pick has a $1M cap hit this year.  And he had a $877k cap hit last year as a rookie, so even a rookie draft pick will carry $900k+.  Personally, I wanted Burks back for veteran presence, special teams and to be an insurance policy on Trotter.  Not to mention, the lack of depth now.  The cost was low enough that I don't think it was a money decision, I think the Eagles absolutely would have done that deal, but Burks wanted the better opportunity to play, and that was offered by the Bengals, not here.  And that was the driving factor, not the money, which is why the report mentioned 'chance to start' as well as the contract.  

 

Rodgers is more of a cost savings move out of these 3.  But it will still cost $1M+ to have another depth CB on the roster.  Even Ricks on year 3 of his UDFA deal has a cap hit of over $1M.

 

So, the $9M-$10M you are referencing them saving is inflated by about $3M more than it should be when you factor in the cost to replace that spot on the roster.    It's really only saving $6M or $7M, and we have much worse depth right now.  There's still time for things to change.   But, I'd feel better about our depth, especially at LB, if Burks was back with that $2.5M salary.  As of right now, I don't even know who LB3 is on the roster.  (I'm not counting on Dean at all right now.  If/when he returns, that's gravy.) 

I find the narrative that Burks didn’t have an opportunity to start here disappointing. Nakobe is out of the picture, and Trot Jr. hasn’t done anything to be anointed. The MIKE position is very much in the air.

Overall, going into last season there were a lot of question marks but also competition. Plugging Trot here, and Ringo there feels a bit reckless. It’s Day 2 and there is also the draft, so we have some more stops along the way to camp but getting some quality depth back that can push the ‘starters’ is on the punchlist.

45 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Ouch.   That's the guy I really wanted to see come back as an insurance policy, especially with it being so cheap.   Oh well.  Gotta hope Howie can find more LB depth, or that Trotter Jr is ready to step in, because I'm pretty sure Dean won't be back for a while.

Even then they will need to sign a vet for around the same price as insurance. I hear the he wanted to start rumors, but it would have made sense to keep the guy they know could step in at a high level.

2 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I find the narrative that Burks didn’t have an opportunity to start here disappointing. Nakobe is out of picture, and Trot Jr. hasn’t done anything to be anointed. The MIKE position is very much in the air.

Overall, going into last season there were a lot of question marks but also competition. Plugging Trot here, and Ringo there feels a bit reckless. It’s Day 2 and there is also the draft, so we have some more stops along the way to camp but getting some quality depth back that can push the ‘starters’ is on the punchlist.

I agree.   Interestingly, when Dean was first injured, we read about Fangio saying that Trotter could be special.  In that first game, they seemed to split time, but after that it was all Burks.  We have to trust Fangio on this, and he saw something special in Baun that no one else did.  Maybe Trotter just needs a year in the weight room to get stronger, because he does seem to be in the right place quite often, but just isn't making the tackles all the time.  Either way though... the depth at LB has taken a huge hit with Dean's injury and Burks leaving.  The same is true of Slay's and Rodgers' departure.  The depth has taken a major hit.  Ringo didn't get many snaps at all last year outside of garbage time... AND Ricks became invisible.  It will be very interesting to see what the plan is going forward at CB in the short and long term.

13 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well, all those numbers are smaller than they appear, because the Eagles will have to have someone on the roster in their place.  DRT has a $1M salary in his own right, but what they did get was an extra year at a low salary for DTR in place of having to pick up Pickett's 5th year option.  BUT, Pickett is also a much better option to turn to than DTR.  McKee moves up to #2 and also has 2 years of cheap control left on his deal.  They might want to ship him off after 2025 though and get some return for him too and then turn to DTR as the #2 for 2026.  

Same with Burks.  "Saving" $2.5M isn't the right value either, as his spot on the roster will be taken by someone who's likely making about $1M too.  For example, Trotter Jr as a 2nd year former 5th round pick has a $1M cap hit this year.  And he had a $877k cap hit last year as a rookie, so even a rookie draft pick will carry $900k+.  Personally, I wanted Burks back for veteran presence, special teams and to be an insurance policy on Trotter.  Not to mention, the lack of depth now.  The cost was low enough that I don't think it was a money decision, I think the Eagles absolutely would have done that deal, but Burks wanted the better opportunity to play, and that was offered by the Bengals, not here.  And that was the driving factor, not the money, which is why the report mentioned 'chance to start' as well as the contract.  

 

Rodgers is more of a cost savings move out of these 3.  But it will still cost $1M+ to have another depth CB on the roster.  Even Ricks on year 3 of his UDFA deal has a cap hit of over $1M.

 

So, the $9M-$10M you are referencing them saving is inflated by about $3M more than it should be when you factor in the cost to replace that spot on the roster.    It's really only saving $6M or $7M, and we have much worse depth right now.  There's still time for things to change.   But, I'd feel better about our depth, especially at LB, if Burks was back with that $2.5M salary.  As of right now, I don't even know who LB3 is on the roster.  (I'm not counting on Dean at all right now.  If/when he returns, that's gravy.) 

But you are going to have 53 players on the roster no matter what and the salary cap will factor in the top 51. So vet minimum contracts are in a sense required to fill out that roster and guys like Trotter and Ricks are pretty much getting the minimum.

• Rookie: $840,000
• One year: $960,000
• Two years: $1,030,000
• Three years: $1,100,000
• Four to six years: $1,170,000
• Seven or more years: $1,255,000

Don't forget about the practice squad and how Howie likes to juggle players there because it doesn't affect the cap. 

I don't the Burks thing had to do with starting.  Cincy didn''t pay him 'we must start you' money.  Either Burks wanted to leave or the Eagles just didn't think as much of him as people on the board do. Maybe they think of him the same as people on the board did before the playoffs started,

Don't be surprised to see the Eagles bring back Morrow for depth and a PS spot again next season while Dean and possibly BVS are rehabbing. 

Just now, brkmsn said:

Don't be surprised to see the Eagles bring back Morrow for depth and a PS spot again next season while Dean and possibly BVS are rehabbing. 

Yep Morrow suited up for Super Bowl and Baun was interacting with him fwiw

After the last SB win, you can argue the Eagles MO was to keep the band together for one more year, and the fall off was a learning point. Burks would have stayed, as would have Slay, etc.  You can't be sentimental in sports; always move forward.

34 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I wonder what Jordan Davis is thinking. Is he thinking, average DT are getting paid, or is he thinking, if I go out and get in the best shape of my life, play the best season of my life, I can get a top 5 DT contract.

 

That should be his attitude. 

5 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I don't the Burks thing had to do with starting.  Cincy didn''t pay him 'we must start you' money.  Either Burks wanted to leave or the Eagles just didn't think as much of him as people on the board do. Maybe they think of him the same as people on the board did before the playoffs started,

Possible, or they are trying to bring Becton back and every million or so saved helps.  I have a hard time believing they don't think he is worth $2.5 million a year.

If we sign our own guys back does that count against the comp pick formula?

1 minute ago, 3rdDownJesus said:

If we sign our own guys back does that count against the comp pick formula?

Nope.

1 minute ago, 3rdDownJesus said:

If we sign our own guys back does that count against the comp pick formula?

No

2 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Yeah maybe we can sign a veteran LB to come here and replace Burks....say, for 2 years, $5M, something like that.

Or we could just sign a guy to a one year deal for 1.2 million like we did with Burks last offseason.

41 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I wonder what Jordan Davis is thinking. Is he thinking, average DT are getting paid, or is he thinking, if I go out and get in the best shape of my life, play the best season of my life, I can get a top 5 DT contract.

 

Davis is a mystery to me.  As in, he seems like a genuinely nice guy, but, does he have the right demeanor/personality/attitude for the NFL?  He has all the physical tools you could ever hope for, but I truly wonder if it's his mentality that stops him from becoming the dominant player he could be.

Effort, work ethic, desire to be great, etc.  Does he have it?  Will he be a "contract year" kinda player?

He just reminds me of a gentle giant type and does "just enough" to keep a role on a defense but just doesn't have the desire to be the best he can be.