The hard question is who do you want active on gameday?  Green or Toth?

Just now, Waiting4Someday said:

The cap rolls, right?  So, the dead money hitting this year still means we have less next year - am I wrong?

Short answer, it's basically a push this on this years cap whether he was here or if he was traded. So we won't have less next year, we'll have more because it's all being recognized this year. If he played this year and then was traded next year, we would have less because we would recognize the same number in 2025 and then his dead cap in 2026.

Longer answer, if you go into specifics and contract details, we would have less had he stayed because we would have had to pay him an $8M option bonus this year and then that just creates more dead money. 

3 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

They downgraded S and RG in one trade. This will be felt on the field but we saved more money 

He was an extra in the trade doesn’t mean we traded and he is handed a starting guard spot!

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m guessing green is competing with steen for the starting RG spot. I’ve said this for a while, i just don’t see the Eagles paying five offensive lineman 10+ million dollars per year. They’re going to give Jurgens an extension. So you’re gonna have four of your five making that. Once lane retires then it’s back to 3 of 5. Imo RG is going to be a revolving door until the draft someone that hits and plays to their expectation. Since 2022 the eagles have had 3 different starting RGs: seumalo, jurgens and becton. Now probably steen making 4 in 4 years.

although here is an outside the box thought, maybe the Eagles watch Jurgens this year and scouted some kids in the draft at center and believe Jurgens can move back to guard. Jurgens plays at a high level at RG and one of these centers can be potentially be as good or better than Jurgens long-term. I do not think this is the case, but I believe there was a report the Eagles were very interested in a center in the draft that didn’t exactly have the versatility.

I wouldn’t read too much into Green.

CJGJ doesn’t have much trade value. Green was a disaster — terrible rookie season and IR his second season. He gets a fresh start here, maybe the eagles can salvage him, but this trade was about freeing up space long term.

9 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

At least we had the best defense in the league for one season and we won the Super Bowl! Was fun while that lasted. 

This is why it’s impossible to repeat.  The teams that repeat have generational HOF QBs where the roster doesn’t matter so much.  

If the Eagles washed out of the playoffs in round 1, all of these guys wouldn’t be getting this kind of money.  

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I thought he was at the end of his rookie contract?

He is; we’ll see if he’s salvageable in TC, and then either cut him in August or maybe extend him to a bare bones developmental extension

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Imo comes down to they know who they are gonna have to pay and the cost of doing so. Can’t pay CJGJ and Reed if that’s the case. I think they rather pay Reed and see what brown can do in year 3.

the green part is more take a swing with stoutland’s coaching. If stoutland can make him useful and competent it’s a win in that regard. I’d argue green has played significantly worse than becton did prior to getting here 

Who gives a crap about the future to the degree you rip apart a team that ready to win? People just said it was the most talented in the league. Well, you keep that together when you know you are on top of the mountain because you never know what the future holds. CJ had flaws, but Howie didn't learn after he got rid of him the first time. 

Howie doesn't always have a good plan. Sometimes he gets lucky as hell and sometimes he screws up like letting the LB and CJ go after the last SB. We are lucky to have him, maybe this works, but it sure as hell seems like a bunch of moves to take a step back when they were primed to win again.

Howie has a plan that involves cap for sure but he has a player plan too and it’s not all just the current guys on the team. Let it play out a bit before whining so much

4 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I'm not surprised at all that Kenyon Green was identified as a reclamation project, but I thought he might be cut or we wouldn't give up anything/anyone of material value.

The traits are intriguing and they know him from the draft visit.  That is the positive. The negative is how bad he's been and if he can be salvaged technically and mentally.  Becton had a brief history of playing well before injuries - Green has none of that.

But that Jalen Carter contract extension coming down the pipe has to paid for somehow.

They can't afford to keep everybody!

I posted yesterday morning that everything they do this week will impact the Carter extension next season.  And Jurgens, Reed, Nolan Smith.  And possibly Dean and Davis.

The underlying plan is to draft, develop, and sign your own.  Aside from Williams, who was grossly overpaid, they are following that plan.

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Strausser did a bad job given the talent.  Green played terribly along an entire line that played terribly.  He's only 24.  He has upside as a player.  I don't think he's probably real competition for Steen but he could be a good fill in player.  

I counter in 2022 as a rookie they had a different offensive line coach. And he was just as awful that year. He had a 37.7 grade by pro football focus that year. This year he had a slight improvement of 38.6. I’d say 2023 but he missed the entire season. Hopefully stoutland can resurrect him but I think it’s reasonable to say he’s a bust so far and just awful so far in his career.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Imo comes down to they know who they are gonna have to pay and the cost of doing so. Can’t pay CJGJ and Reed if that’s the case. I think they rather pay Reed and see what brown can do in year 3.

the green part is more take a swing with stoutland’s coaching. If stoutland can make him useful and competent it’s a win in that regard. I’d argue green has played significantly worse than becton did prior to getting here 

Who gives a crap about the future to the degree you rip apart a team that ready to win? People just said it was the most talented in the league. Well, you keep that together when you know you are on top of the mountain because you never know what the future holds. CJ had flaws, but Howie didn't learn after he got rid of him the first time. 

Howie doesn't always have a good plan. Sometimes he gets lucky as hell and sometimes he screws up like letting the LB and CJ go after the last SB. We are lucky to have him, maybe this works, but it sure as hell seems like a bunch of moves to take a step back when they were primed to win again.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Who gives a crap about the future to the degree you rip apart a team that ready to win? People just said it was the most talented in the league. Well, you keep that together when you know you are on top of the mountain because you never know what the future holds. CJ had flaws, but Howie didn't learn after he got rid of him the first time. 

Howie doesn't always have a good plan. Sometimes he gets lucky as hell and sometimes he screws up like letting the LB and CJ go after the last SB. We are lucky to have him, maybe this works, but it sure as hell seems like a bunch of moves to take a step back when they were primed to win again.

We couldn’t keep it together. That’s the point. Howie is the best in the business at cap management, but he can’t change the rules.

You could keep this team together but then you’re losing Carter, Smith, Jurgens, and/or Blankenship.

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

This just isn't going to be one of those moves that I'll come around on. Even if the Eagles drafted Malaki Starks, that's a player they had to use a pick on instead of another position of need like an Edge or DT. CJGJ had his flaws. You saw him get beat in the red zone a few times during the season. But he forced turnovers and made plays. I don't think you just easily replace that. Howie is the best GM in the sport, but he's not infallible. We saw how bad the defense dropped off from 2022 to 2023 when they lost a handful of key guys.

So far they've lost 4-5 starters depending on what happens with Slay and if/when it becomes official. I don't think they will fall off like 2023 or anything, but I do think there will be a fall off for sure. Maybe this won't be a situation where during the 2025 season people are looking at this trade as a "disaster" but I'd be pretty surprised if it wasn't something people weren't at least lamenting a little bit. CJGJ brought a lot to the table.

Out of all the moves, this and Rodgers are the ones that bother me. All the others I legitimately get.

Burks really bothers me along with Rodgers.   Burks signed for what amounts to NFL chump change.  Same with Rodgers for a starting corner.  They hardly would have broken the bank if both were signed.  A lot of rationalizing on this board.  Burke started the last game.  He would have started the first game in 25 since we all know Dean won't be close to being ready.  Dean will have a similar projection in return from injury as Sydney Brown did.

Rodgers was the #3, not #4 corner for a reason.  People act like no Eagle swill get injured in 25 and all 22 starters will play every game.  Depth played a key role in the Eagles winning last year.  Look at the Lions.  They lose guys, didn't have sufficient depth and lost when it counted. At the very very worst Burks and Rodgers would have been great depth if not outright starters.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

They can't afford to keep everybody!

I posted yesterday morning that everything they do this week will impact the Carter extension next season.  And Jurgens, Reed, Nolan Smith.  And possibly Dean and Davis.

The underlying plan is to draft, develop, and sign your own.  Aside from Williams, who was grossly overpaid, they are following that plan.

That's the Cowboys plan as well.

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A lot will be made about CJGJ’s personality but I have been told by two different sources that this move was solely for financial reasons. The Eagles wanted to get ahead of a big payday that is likely coming down the line & are confident in Fangio/Parker coaching up others.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Who gives a crap about the future to the degree you rip apart a team that ready to win? People just said it was the most talented in the league. Well, you keep that together when you know you are on top of the mountain because you never know what the future holds. CJ had flaws, but Howie didn't learn after he got rid of him the first time. 

Howie doesn't always have a good plan. Sometimes he gets lucky as hell and sometimes he screws up like letting the LB and CJ go after the last SB. We are lucky to have him, maybe this works, but it sure as hell seems like a bunch of moves to take a step back when they were primed to win again.

Said this after the post 2022 debacle, Howie is the best in the business at building a Championship roster, not very good at maintaining it.

This team is a definitive downgrade from last year, it didn’t have to be this way. This is our window, maximize it, future be dammed if we walk away with another Lombardi or 2.

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

We couldn’t keep it together. That’s the point. Howie is the best in the business at cap management, but he can’t change the rules.

You could keep this team together but then you’re losing Carter, Smith, Jurgens, and/or Blankenship.

Down the line they figure it out. Sweat and Williams were walking. You patch those and keep it going as much as possible. Don't become the Cowboys 

Outside of a starting TE, 3rd string RB and some oline depth.... I fully expected the Eagles to go majority defense this upcoming draft. DE, DT, S, CB will all be addressed in the draft. 2026 will be all about finding Lanes replacement and filing the remaining holes they might have and with them having 3 3rd picks, it gives them the opportunity to take BPA over a certain need they might have

1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

Said this after the post 2022 debacle, Howie is the best in the business at building a Championship roster, not very good at maintaining it.

This team is a definitive downgrade from last year, it didn’t have to be this way. This is our window, maximize it, future be dammed if we walk away with another Lombardi or 2.

1000x agree. 

I find it funny every time CJGJ posts a vlog that shows stuff behind the scenes the Eagles move on from him a few weeks later. He's 2/2.

Two things can be true.

1) Yes, the offseason doesn't end this week, and yes I'm sure the Eagles will obviously make more moves between now and even all the way up to July.

2) That doesn't necessarily mean the Eagles will be close to as good next season. They are losing a lot of talent that isn't easily replaceable.

Glad they were able to get the chip with that roster.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I find it funny every time CJGJ posts a vlog that shows stuff behind the scenes the Eagles move on from him a few weeks later. He's 2/2.

I've had the thought of, wonder if he will come back again next offseason?  Would further fulfill the prophecy of his time as an Eagle

Another bit of context on the Texans line.

They all gave up way too many pressures. (Except Tunsil who was a good pass blocker when not putting them in 1st and 20)

They all committed way too many penalties.

Its safe to assume the Texans have terrible O-line coaching and Stout is clearly the best.

Green should be better here but that does not mean he instantly rises to 'he belongs on the field in real games'

 

FWIW, I don't care if Green is a rotational backup or cut. I'm just providing the context.

I am 100% in favor of not paying option bonuses to CJGJ and Slay (Goedert would really hurt but I'd understand what they were doing)

8 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Who gives a crap about the future to the degree you rip apart a team that ready to win? People just said it was the most talented in the league. Well, you keep that together when you know you are on top of the mountain because you never know what the future holds. CJ had flaws, but Howie didn't learn after he got rid of him the first time. 

Howie doesn't always have a good plan. Sometimes he gets lucky as hell and sometimes he screws up like letting the LB and CJ go after the last SB. We are lucky to have him, maybe this works, but it sure as hell seems like a bunch of moves to take a step back when they were primed to win again.

If you’re upset about CJGJ, would you be more upset if you kept him and then lost guys like Nolan Smith,Carter, Reed and jurgens. Cause they need new contracts and that money helps going to them. They are your core CJGJ was here for another year until he then would want a new contract and begins to have an attitude. You weren’t paying two safeties going forward. So they got out of it a year early to save money for extensions of Carter and smith in 2026 and likely paying Reed 

if you wanna be mad at Howie for making this move, you can go all the way back to signing Bryce huff and giving him that contract. Because that contract is basically unmovable and you’re stuck with it. If Huff wasn’t making the money, he was not on this team, you probably could’ve kept CJGJ for another year then moved on. While Huff didn’t really hurt them on the field as guys stepped up. His contract is definitely something that is hinder-some right now.