7 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

So far:

Downgrade at S

Downgrade at DE

Downgrade at rotational DT

Uncertainty at starting CB

Downgrade at rotational CB

Downgrade at rotational LB

Expected downgrade at RG

Terrible offseason so far, the draft will help fill some of the holes, but not a complete solution.

Enjoy SB 59.

I’m not sure they downgraded at any of these much less all of them. More question marks than downgrading. 

Honestly the only initial "impact" signings of last off season on initial look were Barkley Huff and CJGJ. No one expected Baun to do what he did. Meanwhile we lost 2 key backups in Opeta and Driscoll as well as our "best "defensive player in Reddick. 

Patience people. Lots of time and a whole draft still to come. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Even aside from Stoutland, if Green is called upon to play snaps he'll be doing so between Pro Bowl-level tackle and center.  Iron sharpens iron .... or, in this case, the hope is that iron sharpens butter?

Trying to block Carter and Davis in practice every day can’t hurt…

4 minutes ago, TEW said:

It was a joke, lighten up. 

I still like your posts. People are loyal to Howie I get it.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

• Steen to RG (as many have thought)
• Green is depth/Stoutland U project
• Another safety will be brought in either FA or draft that Fangio has more hand in picking

 

I’m just gonna point out when becton was signed everyone thought it was just a stoutland project. But the Eagles believed with stoutland that they could transition him to another position and push Tyler Steen. I fully expect Green to be the main back up, but I would not be surprised if the eagles view him more highly and as somebody that can push steen. I don’t think this is just handing the keys to steen 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

https://x.com/Djbienaime/status/1899487220165230760

Texans beat

LG Keyon Green needed a fresh start. He lost the confidence of the Texans brass and I think little in himself. But I think in Philly he could become their next Mekhi Becton. Green has talent. Just needs development. Philly has shown they can do that.

Texans seemed pretty good except for Oline

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Honestly the only initial "impact" signings of last off season on initial look were Barkley Huff and CJGJ. No one expected Baun to do what he did. Meanwhile we lost 2 key backups in Opeta and Driscoll as well as our "best "defensive player in Reddick. 

Patience people. Lots of time and a whole draft still to come. 

White was also a miss. There is time you are right, but expecting that many holes to work as well as the most dominating D we have perhaps ever seen in Philly is expecting a lot. Some had to happen and some didn't. 

7 minutes ago, rrfierce said:

CJ did give a lot of TDs up in coverage that everyone complained about. But he was a leader and a gave us an edge. 

Maybe they just decided one was more important than the other, but its a mistake imo - I don't rate brown as his replacement.

Next season definitely has 2023 vibes about it.  SB appearance and then a dismantling of the team. Lets hope they know what they're doing.

Let's define what a "leader" is. CJGJ was a trash talker and brought swag and confidence. He also gave up big plays all the time. He would celebrate a basic tackle on a run play and then give up a TD. Being a leader includes how you play. Not getting penalties for getting in guys faces and fighting.

Having a loud mouth and being cocky doesn't mean you are a "leader." It can be part of the vocal leader in the sense of hyping guys up. It helps with intimidation to the other team. There are lots of different styles and personalities that can contribute.

Baun, Dean, Nolan Smith exhibit leadership. Q and DeJean as rookies already had confidence and that "dawg" without pissing people off and getting penalties. Jalyx Hunt is a talker and has confidence in his game as well. It's great that CJGJ had that part of his game, but I don't think he's a "leader" in a traditional sense. 

There is one real alternative here.

Keep everyone (or close to it) so your SB roster is intact by structuring contracts so the crap hits the fan in the offseason before the 2027 season.  Total roster purge heading into 2027.

That means Carter walks, one of Dejean/Mitchell will walk, you are unloading one of Brown/Devonta early, and you are essentially looking to move on from a less mobile nearly 30 Hurts with a depleted offense at that point.

That allows you to go all in for the next 2 years and be a SB favorite.  But make no mistake…what I described above is the consequence.

The eagles will be very good next year.  They probably won’t repeat and win the SB (which was probably the case either way, but now the chances are lower).  But they’ll be far more competitive in the years after that.

 

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1899493397234110487

Fulton to Chiefs,2 years $20M

Saying Green = Becton is like saying every QB without over the top talent is Tom Brady.

Becton was never a failure at guard. Green was always a failure at guard.

Green will improve over time. How much is TBD but he's got a long way to go. Don't hold your breath for the fall. Don't expect much in 2025.

 

Part of what made Becton special was being 6'7" and 370. Green is going to need gamma radiation for that.

The best part of this is Howie knows he has to keep drafting well and hold masterclasses in compiling picks. I expect more trades here this offseason than usual and some surprising ones. Had Goedert and Davis traded. Didn't have CJG on the radar though. He will continue to try to hit on low budget signings to unearth gems. He will throw alot of stuff against the wall and see what sticks. Saving the dry powder for that.

1 hour ago, Dwide Schrude said:

I don’t think this move correlates to Becton, Eagles must not love Steen, they must really not like CJGJ if the player swap was for a bad player like Green. 

Yeah, my reading of this is that this is much more about CJGJ than it is Green.   Green, I think, is intriguing to a guy like Stoutland, but this wasn't the goal of the move, but more of a throw-in.   I think this has much more to do with CJGJ's inability to handle himself online and in public.   He is in the record saying that the Eagles used alternative materials in their cigars at the parade.  He immediately went on the offensive when Slay didn't mention him as a leader on the backend, but did glowingly discuss Blankenship.   And, I don't think they were planning to extend both Reed and CJGJ, so one was going to go.  

 

I don't love this move... but I don't hate it.  I see it as two separate moves.   I see it as CJGJ for a 5th round pick... and Green for a 6th round pick.  Green is a lottery ticket for Stoutland to work with.  He gets a year to work with him before they make a decision on him long term.  

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m just gonna point out when becton was signed everyone thought it was just a stoutland project. But the Eagles believed with stoutland that they could transition him to another position and push Tyler Steen. I fully expect Green to be the main back up, but I would not be surprised if the eagles view him more highly and as somebody that can push steen. I don’t think this is just handing the keys to steen 

It may not be. They may sign or draft more linemen. But I don't believe this is handing the starting job to Green either. Some fans are reacting as if this definitely means Becton is gone, Green is the new RG, etc. With Stoutland U, you never know. But we know there's only 1 starting O line spot in question and they aren't done yet.

7 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Let's define what a "leader" is. CJGJ was a trash talker and brought swag and confidence. He also gave up big plays all the time. He would celebrate a basic tackle on a run play and then give up a TD. Being a leader includes how you play. Not getting penalties for getting in guys faces and fighting.

Having a loud mouth and being cocky doesn't mean you are a "leader." It can be part of the vocal leader in the sense of hyping guys up. It helps with intimidation to the other team. There are lots of different styles and personalities that can contribute.

Baun, Dean, Nolan Smith exhibit leadership. Q and DeJean as rookies already had confidence and that "dawg" without pissing people off and getting penalties. Jalyx Hunt is a talker and has confidence in his game as well. It's great that CJGJ had that part of his game, but I don't think he's a "leader" in a traditional sense. 

A lot of people trashed slay for what he said with regards to not mentioning CJGJ as a leader. However, the Eagles kind of showed you that they had some the same thinking that slay did. that they had other leaders to take over and CJGJ wasn’t one of them they felt they had to keep.

 Now the Eagles are obviously at this moment worse and likely going to take a step back next year because it is really hard to win back to back Super Bowls. But I think the proof is going to be down the road in 2026, 2027 and 2028 with how the leadership looks long term. Because the core that you’re gonna keep is the guys you cleared some of this financials to keep.

15 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

So far:

Downgrade at S

Downgrade at DE

Downgrade at rotational DT

Uncertainty at starting CB

Downgrade at rotational CB

Downgrade at rotational LB

Expected downgrade at RG

Terrible offseason so far, the draft will help fill some of the holes, but not a complete solution.

Enjoy SB 59.

Fing relax 

19 minutes ago, TEW said:

Basically, CJGJ isn’t worth nearly as much as most of you think he is.

Maybe not but all we gained was a somewhat better pick and maybe 1M in cap savings.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I forget who said it but I remember someone saying "CJGJ could be great if he ever just shut his mouth and stopped wearing out his welcome everywhere he goes".

 

I'd guess that's probably the main thing driving that trade. Now we have to see if this signals Slay coming back.

Oh I hope not.  Time to move on from him too.  A 34 year old CB is not a good idea.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

I still like your posts. People are loyal to Howie I get it.

My only point is you have to balance high and low time preference.

We went all in last year. It paid off huge. Now we have to make some moves to keep our key players under contract.

Howie’s formula is to get the core together and then try to plug in the holes through creative trades and the draft. It doesn’t alway work — you basically have to hit on 3-5 low risk, high reward players.

If you double down on the "all in” offseason this year you don’t guarantee yourself anything except that you’ll put yourself out of contention in a few years and lose key players in future years.

Much better to keep the window open indefinitely in my view.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yeah, my reading of this is that this is much more about CJGJ than it is Green.   Green, I think, is intriguing to a guy like Stoutland, but this wasn't the goal of the move, but more of a throw-in.   I think this has much more to do with CJGJ's inability to handle himself online and in public.   He is in the record saying that the Eagles used alternative materials in their cigars at the parade.  He immediately went on the offensive when Slay didn't mention him as a leader on the backend, but did glowingly discuss Blankenship.   And, I don't think they were planning to extend both Reed and CJGJ, so one was going to go.  

 

I don't love this move... but I don't hate it.  I see it as two separate moves.   I see it as CJGJ for a 5th round pick... and Green for a 6th round pick.  Green is a lottery ticket for Stoutland to work with.  He gets a year to work with him before they make a decision on him long term.  

Yeah when I first saw he was traded I assumed it was for a decent draft pick. That might have made it easier to accept.

It's a surprising and odd move. Very curious to see what Fangio's plan is for the defense. I know some young guys are ready to step up, but Brown at safety isn't the answer. He has more in mind.

2 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Part of what made Becton special was being 6'7" and 370. Green is going to need gamma radiation for that.

Three Mile Island isn’t that far away

Just now, NOTW said:

It may not be. They may sign or draft more linemen. But I don't believe this is handing the starting job to Green either. Some fans are reacting as if this definitely means Becton is gone, Green is the new RG, etc. With Stoutland U, you never know. But we know there's only 1 starting O line spot in question and they aren't done yet.

I think the Eagles are expecting to turn the page on becton due to price. Because they cannot afford to pay 5 offensive lineman 10+ million dollars a year. So unless becton gives them a discount or comes in way lower than what is expected that they know they are going to move on.

Now they might draft a tackle/guard as well (highly likely imo). I don’t think they fully trust steen. Also Green only has one year left on this deal and I don’t see them remotely picking up his fifth year option for what guaranteed money that would be. But I fully expect it’s likely going to be Tyler Steen, draft pick and Green competing for that starting spot with Steen holding the odds to win it.

You are overrating CJGJ’s talk. The difference was the year he was gone we had a horrendous DC and the year he came back we had the best DC in the league 

Here's the ultimate plot twist. Eagles trade Steen. And sign Becton. Thus, Green is the new Steen as backup swing guard with tackle experience. Then everyone here is back to being off the ledge. 😄 And I will say the longer Becton is unsigned, the better chance he has of coming back here.

I'm very interested in how Fangio might influence the draft as well. Last year they broke a 22 year drought of not drafting a corner in the 1st. They got two 1st round corners out of that draft and they both started and balled out this year (Q day 1, DeJean taking over after several games).

They could end up drafting a DE and Safety who start and solidify those positions, who knows. Plus after the initial free agency frenzy, Howie will sign some depth guys.