Just now, Cochis_Calhoun said:

He's a first round Guard who was a legit prospect coming out of college, they kick the tires see if they can bring out the talent that made him a 1st round pick and keep him for a small salary or they cut him and lose nothing.

People acting like taking this guy in a trade means something, he's a makeweight reclamation project that Stout clearly fancies working with, if it doesn't work out we walk away, this isn't make or break for the season, nor is losing a Safety who cost us at least one game by getting his dumb ass ejected for trash talking.

I have more of a problem with Eagles fans thinking that he’s just going to be fixed like becton and jets fans said becton was awful means it’s the same result going to occur. He has definitively been one of the worst offensive lineman in the nfl over the last 3 years. Becton wasn’t remotely this awful.

I have no problem with them trying to fix them and trying to get something out of him. But this whole because they did it with becton and jets fans also said he was awful so he’ll be good is also foolish 

12 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

CJGJ was one of the team leaders in snaps. How is that not a core player? If not, your definition is totally arbitrary.

"it's some guys, but not some other guys"

There's obviously a difference between an every down player like CJGJ and a slot WR like Dotson.

How did the defense do after he was kicked out of the DC game? He gave up plays, but he was a key piece as a leader.

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Still recovering from the shoulder injury that kept him out all of 2023.  In Stout I trust.  May well be the back up C too.  

I have no problem with taking a shot on him. But I’m more laughing a fans being like jets fans said becton was awful too. Jets fans were morons because becton wasn’t nearly this bad. Green by most metrics has been awful even prior to his shoulder he was awful in 2022 

44 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

White was also a miss. There is time you are right, but expecting that many holes to work as well as the most dominating D we have perhaps ever seen in Philly is expecting a lot. Some had to happen and some didn't. 

The official opening of the offseason hasn't come yet.  Plenty of moves yet to be made.  

Being upset right now would be like complaining that you are still hungry at a 10 course meal while you are finishing up the first course.   There's a lot still to come.   It won't be 'big money' stuff, but there can absolutely be significant moves in the days, weeks, months ahead.   

 

We like to focus on each individual move and dissect it... and we have the time to do so.  And while Howie had individual misses last year (and I was more than happy to point them out in the first 4 weeks of last season), his overall offseason was an absolute dynamite success and one of the best ever.   He brought in the OPOY, who I consider to be the DPOY, a DC to rebuild respectability to the defense, smashed the crap out of the draft, and added a few other pieces that were needed to fill in holes.   There's time and opportunity for things to shake out more evenly.

 

I wonder if this CJGJ move opens the door for Justin Simmons to come in, but they have a wink wink deal in place with him (given his previous history with Fangio) to just wait until later to sign to not mess with the comp pick formula.  I'm not certain that's what's going on... but given their history, Simmons may not be in a rush to sign.  And I'd rather have Simmons than CJGJ and I'd consider that an upgrade.  JMO.

People are so mad at Howie lmao. Like the team still isn’t stacked. The offseason isn’t over. Relax 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I have no problem with taking a shot on him. But I’m more laughing a fans being like jets fans said becton was awful too. Jets fans were morons because becton wasn’t nearly this bad. Green by every most metrics has been awful even prior to his shoulder he was awful in 2022 

I think Steen will be the starter. This is definitely a lottery ticket long shot

I do think his value around the league isn't very high. Couldn't get more than a 5th/6th swap and a terrible guard.

I guess we'll find out soon if Goedert is considered "the core" or he's another player that gets shipped off for long term cap savings.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I have no problem with taking a shot on him. But I’m more laughing a fans being like jets fans said becton was awful too. Jets fans were morons because becton wasn’t nearly this bad. Green by every most metrics has been awful even prior to his shoulder he was awful in 2022 

But but but Becton! Stout can fix him because he did so with Becton!

People are delusional and will accept whatever Howie does

Not surprised to see over reaction to a mediocre safety leaving. People love them some CJGJ. 

The only reason it felt so good to have him back is because they had no replacement for him last time. 

Hopefully this time there is a plan. 

 

South Carolina safety might end up pushing Starks down to us. 

47 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

A lot of people trashed slay for what he said with regards to not mentioning CJGJ as a leader. However, the Eagles kind of showed you that they had some the same thinking that slay did. that they had other leaders to take over and CJGJ wasn’t one of them they felt they had to keep.

 Now the Eagles are obviously at this moment worse and likely going to take a step back next year because it is really hard to win back to back Super Bowls. But I think the proof is going to be down the road in 2026, 2027 and 2028 with how the leadership looks long term. Because the core that you’re gonna keep is the guys you cleared some of this financials to keep.

Slay opened his mouth in multiple ways that he didn't have to.   But, he's no longer on the team, and can say whatever he wants.  That's his right.  However, the way CJGJ responded just proved Slay's point regarding him as a leader.  His actions weren't 'leadership', they were an emotional outburst.  That's who he is.  That's why he gets the flags, that's why he's outspoken on and off the field.   But that's not the way to lead.

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

I think Steen will be the starter. This is definitely a lottery ticket long shot

I think it’s a lottery ticket just like Beckton was a lottery ticket. I’m hoping Stoutland can at least make him a service of a backup that maybe pushes steen when he’s here. I think that’s realistic. But I think this jets fans said becton was awful means that Texans fans can also be wrong. No the Texans fans were right. He has been awful the tow years he’s played.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not surprised to see over reaction to a mediocre safety leaving. People love them some CJGJ. 

The only reason it felt so good to have him back is because they had no replacement for him last time. 

Hopefully this time there is a plan. 

 

South Carolina safety might end up pushing Starks down to us. 

Ransom from Ohio state would be a good fit as well 

Awful 

13 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Fans: Bring back CJ! He was feisty!

Howie trades CJ

Fans: CJ trash talked too much and his play wasn't good

Sorry, but there were a fair few people in here including me pointing out that CJGJ was getting toasted in a few games last year, when your defense plays like they did down the stretch last year it puts a rosy glow on a lot of stuff that wasn't quite so good in the cold light of day.

If Vic wanted CJGJ here he'd still be here, he isn't, and I guess those TD's he gave up by losing coverage in multiple games last year is why. He's a decent safety on his day, he's not irreplaceable.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think it’s a lottery ticket just like Beckton was a lottery ticket. I’m hoping Stoutland can at least make him a service of a backup that maybe pushes steen when he’s here. I think that’s realistic. But I think this jets fans said becton was awful means that Texans fans can also be wrong. No the Texans fans were right. He has been awful the tow years he’s played.

Yeah I think the trade was about cap and they offered Green because they didn't want to give more picks and the Eagles took a flier because Stout liked him pre-draft.  I don't think the trade was about Green at all

49 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Yeah when I first saw he was traded I assumed it was for a decent draft pick. That might have made it easier to accept.

It's a surprising and odd move. Very curious to see what Fangio's plan is for the defense. I know some young guys are ready to step up, but Brown at safety isn't the answer. He has more in mind.

Surprising?  Absolutely, but not shocking.   He seems like the type to burn out in a stop quickly.  5 teams now in 5 years.   That's a bad sign.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don't see how this has anything to do with Cine. He showed up late for a few weeks of a Super Bowl run and probably didn't have a single teams snap of practice. 

Don’t underestimate Kasper.  They had Cine long enough to assess how he responds to coaching and how his speed and health are. Sydney Brown plays like his hair is on fire (old timers will get the reference). I suspect that if his knee is now healthy, that’s a great competition and doesn’t even factor in McCollum,  my favorite end of the roster and former UDFA to PS to roster of late. 

Trade has to be contingent on Green clearing a health check.  If Green is healthy, this could be a steal.  

1 minute ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Sorry, but there were a fair few people in here including me pointing out that CJGJ was getting toasted in a few games last year, when your defense plays like they did down the stretch last year it puts a rosy glow on a lot of stuff that wasn't quite so good in the cold light of day.

If Vic wanted CJGJ here he'd still be here, he isn't, and I guess those TD's he gave up by losing coverage in multiple games last year is why. He's a decent safety on his day, he's not irreplaceable.

It's the flipflopping and accepting whatever Howie does that was the point

28 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Literally "trust me bro"

If you've ever watched any of his "content", you're poorer for the experience.

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

But but but Becton! Stout can fix him because he did so with Becton!

People are delusional and will accept whatever Howie does

I don’t mind them, taking a flyer on him and trying to work with him. However, becton wasn’t as atrocious as green. Green was awful his rookie year to the point he was one of the worst guards in the league. This year he came back from his injury and was still one of the worst start in the league. Imo i think green is much further in his development than becton was when he got to stoutland  

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49 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the Eagles are expecting to turn the page on becton due to price. Because they cannot afford to pay 5 offensive lineman 10+ million dollars a year. So unless becton gives them a discount or comes in way lower than what is expected that they know they are going to move on.

Now they might draft a tackle/guard as well (highly likely imo). I don’t think they fully trust steen. Also Green only has one year left on this deal and I don’t see them remotely picking up his fifth year option for what guaranteed money that would be. But I fully expect it’s likely going to be Tyler Steen, draft pick and Green competing for that starting spot with Steen holding the odds to win it.

The one thing Green does offer, potentially, is some positional flexible depth.  Moving Steen to the starting lineup means we are losing that.   Keegan and Green can compete to be OL6.  We still have no swing OT depth guy though.  Unless they think Green can fit that role under Stoutland.  I don't see Green as a starter, unless Stout does some magic and Steen really craps himself.

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Don’t underestimate Kasper.  They had Cine long enough to assess how he responds to coaching and how his speed and health are. Sydney Brown plays like his hair is on fire (old timers will get the reference). I suspect that if his knee is now healthy, that’s a great competition and doesn’t even factor in McCollum,  my favorite end of the roster and former UDFA to PS to roster of late. 

Trade has to be contingent on Green clearing a health check.  If Green is healthy, this could be a steal.  

McCollum hasn’t been nearly as impressive as his brother has at CB. We watch him and Brown get torched in garbage time when all you can’t do is give up big TDs. 
 

Syndney Brown is constantly nearing penalties and doing the most after the whistle - I can’t imagine letting him play 60+ snaps a game and having confidence he won’t be ejected/constantly draw penalties. Not to mention, not really being the fleetest of feet. 

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not surprised to see over reaction to a mediocre safety leaving. People love them some CJGJ. 

The only reason it felt so good to have him back is because they had no replacement for him last time. 

Hopefully this time there is a plan. 

 

South Carolina safety might end up pushing Starks down to us. 

They're not taking a safety in round 1 especially considering two of our starting d-linemen just walked out the door.