1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

We saw it woth own eyes on 2023 when the 49ers players pushed around and disrespected Bradberry on the field on our sideline in pregame warmups and everyone just stood around watching. CJGJ brought an attitude to our defense that is necessary.

Q's got that, saw it when he went to get the guy off of Slay.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Like I said, I have no problem if Stoutland went to them and said hey, get him as part of this trade I can work with him. I trust that stoutland believes he can get him from being really bad to at least being competent. I also think that just assuming stoutland is going to be able to transform him into what he did with becton is pie in the sky thinking and more unlikely.

I think the more realistic expectation should be he can be a quality backup with Stoutland helping him. I think that’s far more realistic than being he’s gonna pull a becton and become a pro bowl caliber guard. He very well might just become chance warmack who was fine as a backup 

Green was a toss into this trade. They previously scouted him, the Texans wanted to throw something in and they are taking a chance on him. He's not a sure thing. Becton wasn't either, as you've said repeatedly it's like a lottery ticket.

Howie does this a lot. He gathers players for cheap - especially former 1st and 2nd round picks - to kick the tires and see if anything comes of it. Lots of these type of guys get cut later on.

Last March the Eagles signed:
    • OL Matt Hennessy, cut in August.
    • Huff: barely saw the field
    • Devin White, cut in October
    • CB Tyler Hall, placed on IR then released, now with Seattle
    • DT PJ Mustipher, cut in August
 

It happens most years. He signs some cheap free agent and fans think they're done at that position. Green might not even make the team for all we know.

24 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I hope you are right, but at the same time, when a team has the right chemistry and talent to dominate to that degree, you want to keep it together. Even if the replacements are talented, changing pieces doesn't guarantee success. They were always losing Sweat and Williams. Filling two holes is easier than six. This reminds me of when they let both LB and CJ go two years ago, thinking they could just replace them.

It's great for Howie to think long-term, but at the same time, they operate in a two-year window. Johnson will be gone in two years, and Brown and SB will be over 30. Some moves have to be made, and some are self-inflicted. All we can do is watch and hope for the best. At the same time it's disappointing and fans will have emotions about it.

Wanting to keep it together and being able to actually do so are two separate things.

NFL = Not For Long

 

Since the inception of the salary cap, keeping it together has become nearly impossible.  Back in the 1960s, you had the Packers as a dominant force and they could keep it together.  In the 1970s, the Raiders, Dolphins, Steelers, Cowboys all were able to be dominant for pretty much the full decade, because they could keep it together.  In the 1980s, the 49ers could maintain it, because they didn't have to worry about the cap.  Same thing in the 1990s with the 49ers and Cowboys.

 

But since the salary cap, its really come down to one and only one thing.  If you have the best QB in the NFL (and can cheat the salary cap a little bit) you can keep it together.  But, looking back, those other teams had some great QBs, but only one had a QB considered to be the "GOAT" at that time, and as good as Montana was... I think it really came down to Walsh as much, if not more, than Montana.  

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Has anyone asked Big Dom if he approves?

Cannolis approved 

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Green was a toss into this trade. They previously scouted him, the Texans wanted to throw something in and they are taking a chance on him. He's not a sure thing. Becton wasn't either, as you've said repeatedly it's like a lottery ticket.

Howie does this a lot. He gathers players for cheap - especially former 1st and 2nd round picks - to kick the tires and see if anything comes of it. Lots of these type of guys get cut later on.

Last March the Eagles signed:
    • OL Matt Hennessy, cut in August.
    • Huff: barely saw the field
    • Devin White, cut in October
    • CB Tyler Hall, placed on IR then released, now with Seattle
    • DT PJ Mustipher, cut in August
 

It happens most years. He signs some cheap free agent and fans think they're done at that position. Green might not even make the team for all we know.

I think green makes it. I’d have to check his contract but i believe after the trade it’s $2 mil guaranteed. Hard time seeing them just eat that. Although did eat white’s deal 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think green makes it. I’d have to check his contract but i believe after the trade it’s $2 mil guaranteed. Hard time seeing them just eat that. Although did eat white’s deal 

His money is guaranteed. All 1st rounders get fully guaranteed deals.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

History hasn't proven to be a reliable indicator of the future here lately. 

The top two safety's look to be awesome but due to positional values and the philosophy here combined with a very good d-line draft and losing two starters, that's easily my bet. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

His money is guaranteed. All 1st rounders get fully guaranteed deals.

How much are the Eagles paying of it and how much are the Texans paying. Cause I saw when the Texans made the trade they saved something like $2 million by trading him as opposed to cutting him saving 725k (per OTC)

17 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

The truth is often in the middle.   Some of these issues were expected... some surprising.  None of these moves makes this team the Giants.   Of all that's happened, I think the CJGJ move is the one throwing people for a loop.   Everything else, while not the preference of many, was the expectation.  We were expecting to lose pretty much any of the free agents that hit the market.  That's why it was so important to many of us to get Baun locked up before the start.  But even the loss of Rodgers and Burks were anticipated by many... just a matter of whether or not the Eagles were willing to pay what they'd get on the market.  Many thought they'd be cheap enough to bring back, and some feel that they could have been brought back at the numbers that they got.  Others don't see their contributions as something that this team can't find elsewhere for reasonable value.  For example... Morrow or Burks?  Meh.  

10 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Who knows.   This has been a bizarre off season - and I’m alright with letting the big names/big contract guys go because we couldn’t afford them.  
 

But then they start pouring salt on the wound first with Rodgers, then with Burks…but now trading a guy who was central in the secondary - a great free safety - who was already under contract - like WTH is going on? 
 

Cap management.  We have a number of big contracts, with more coming, so need to be extra careful.  Howie is a Jedi Master but this will test his mettle.

3 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Ummm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Adam Schefter

 

@AdamSchefter

 

 

Another Texans trade: Houston is acquiring veteran safety C.J. Gardner-Johnson from the Eagles in exchange for former first-round pick Kenyon Green, per

@Djbienaime

and me. Trade includes a pick swap with the Eagles getting a 2026 5th-round pick and the Texans getting a 2026 6th.

This is a truly horrific trade, as it stands right now.

I get Howie said be patient, but this is just gross. You're trading a starting safety for one of the worst guards in the league and all you get out of it is a pick swap? Garbage trade, and i don't even think CJGJ is that good but he is a capable starter 

We have now rostered the following members of the first-round of the 2022 draft...

Davis (13), Green (14), Dotson (16), Pickett (20), and Cine (32).

10 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Written by Pottstown's own Daryl Hall.

Did not know that.  I remember Hall saying Eddie Van Halen asked him to join Van Halen after David Lee Roth's departure -- that would have been interesting, and hard to imagine the sound.  Never liked Sammy Haggar in Van Halen although I do like some of Haggar's solo stuff (Heavy Metal, I Can't Drive 55, etc.)  

Of all the moves the Eagles made, I dislike the idea of Ringo and Sydney Brown starting than I do the players leaving. Most of the guys who left were not irreplaceable top of the roster guys. It really comes down to for me that I'm just not a big Ringo or Brown fan. Sure hope the Eagles are right on those guys. If not, secondary will take a noticeable step back. If those two I have more faith in Ringo than Brown. I don't know what the Eagles see in Brown, frankly. Dude seems like just a missile and not much more than that.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Of all the moves the Eagles made, I dislike the idea of Ringo and Sydney Brown starting than I do the players leaving. Most of the guys who left were not irreplaceable top of the roster guys. It really comes down to for me that I'm just not a big Ringo or Brown fan. Sure hope the Eagles are right on those guys. If not, secondary will take a noticeable step back. If those two I have more faith in Ringo than Brown. I don't know what the Eagles see in Brown, frankly. Dude seems like just a missile and not much more than that.

I agree with you but I just am being patient to see what the roster really looks like when TC starts and ends

The opportunity is there for the 7 member 2023 draft class to have 6 starters and the backup QB

April 28th Eagles going to the White House - just confirmed during the press conference.

3 minutes ago, devpool said:

This is a truly horrific trade, as it stands right now.

I get Howie said be patient, but this is just gross. You're trading a starting safety for one of the worst guards in the league and all you get out of it is a pick swap? Garbage trade, and i don't even think CJGJ is that good but he is a capable starter 

I prefer to look at it the other way.   They traded a starting safety for a pick swap, and got a high draft pick bust OG as a throw in.  The question is why were they so motivated to move on from CJGJ.  Clearly, CJGJ wasn't caught off guard, nor seemed to be unhappy about the trade.  So... why did they want to get rid of him so badly?  

That's the part we won't find out for a while.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

How much are the Eagles paying of it and how much are the Texans paying. Cause I saw when the Texans made the trade they saved something like $2 million by trading him as opposed to cutting him saving 725k (per OTC)

The Texans are taking $2.195mm of dead money, which is the remainder of his singing bonus that needs to be charged (25% of the $8.782mm singing bonus that was spread over the 4 years of the contract). They shifted his $2.88mm base salary to us, so that's what he costs us. He would have cost the Texans ~5.1mm (the base + singing bonus proration), so they save $2.88mm (salary) on the cap, but CJGJ is a 3.7mm cap hit for them, so they net lose about 850k in cap space this year. But they take on $4.864mm of dead money from CJGJ's option bonus deferral.

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Of all the moves the Eagles made, I dislike the idea of Ringo and Sydney Brown starting than I do the players leaving. Most of the guys who left were not irreplaceable top of the roster guys. It really comes down to for me that I'm just not a big Ringo or Brown fan. Sure hope the Eagles are right on those guys. If not, secondary will take a noticeable step back. If those two I have more faith in Ringo than Brown. I don't know what the Eagles see in Brown, frankly. Dude seems like just a missile and not much more than that.

Brown is awful. Great for STs, that's about it

7 minutes ago, devpool said:

This is a truly horrific trade, as it stands right now.

I get Howie said be patient, but this is just gross. You're trading a starting safety for one of the worst guards in the league and all you get out of it is a pick swap? Garbage trade, and i don't even think CJGJ is that good but he is a capable starter 

It’s a salary dump. We picked up Green because the Texans wanted to offload him and Stoutland said "yeah sure”. Don’t be surprised if he doesn’t make it out of training camp

4 minutes ago, Han Solo said:

The opportunity is there for the 7 member 2023 draft class to have 6 starters and the backup QB

The 5 member 2018 class had 5 starters

Albeit Pryor was dumped and became a starter elsewhere

3 minutes ago, Han Solo said:

The opportunity is there for the 7 member 2023 draft class to have 6 starters and the backup QB

I found this after the 2023 draft.  We ended up with five of the first rounders in PFF's way-too-early-mock-draft.

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-way-too-early-2023-nfl-mock-draft-alabamas-bryce-young-houston-texans-no-1-overall

Behind a lot of what we're seeing is the money committed to Bryce Huff. Whiffing at the top of the free agent market may be the single most detrimental transaction a GM can make. Smith's and Hunt's development mitigated the effects last year but now it's time to pay the piper. 

9 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Of all the moves the Eagles made, I dislike the idea of Ringo and Sydney Brown starting than I do the players leaving. Most of the guys who left were not irreplaceable top of the roster guys. It really comes down to for me that I'm just not a big Ringo or Brown fan. Sure hope the Eagles are right on those guys. If not, secondary will take a noticeable step back. If those two I have more faith in Ringo than Brown. I don't know what the Eagles see in Brown, frankly. Dude seems like just a missile and not much more than that.

The team hasn't said they are starting. Beat writers and fans are assuming.

They may add more free agents, they may draft these positions.